| IVOD_ID |
170328 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170328 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T10:00:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T10:10:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c8210cafad66e4922361b203c8b184455ea81a89c27feb000dbf51128cb8e9f3039315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林岱樺 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:00:23 - 10:10:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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姚謙主委馮主委 |
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主委今天是您啟動國泰金控歷經兩個禮拜最後精簡的截止日就在今天了所以這個國泰金控的內控風暴鐵拳掀開了治理黑洞跟監理失能那到底你精簡的到現在你怎麼跟社會做個什麼樣的交代 |
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那這邊呢這個郭明健董事長這邊我想有幾個時序從一月他們自己國泰投信的自我通報火發事件你們到了六月才開始實地的投入這個信託金檢那因為有了這個歐打事件你們才展開擴大金檢 |
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好那這個呢鐵拳掀開的十億內控風暴呢有第一個內控防線的徹底崩盤這旗下的八黨基金當中集體及長期的物彩投資的紅線那以及第二個五萬名無辜散戶買單而造成了 |
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整個國泰信託整個金控集團也好整體的補償跟損失的金額高達10億以及第三個大股東的暴力干政金控大股東與經理人權責邊界的嚴重失去這個就是這兩個禮拜多來我們所的內控的風暴所呈現的一個問題 |
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好那另外包括讀懂門神話金管會監理有沒有放水呢連這個大股東啊他都痛批讀懂失職形同虛設以及這個監理的盲區延宕半年怠惰的公文旅行1月的時候 |
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這個國泰信託的一個通報你們為什麼拖到六月的時候才有一個這個還沒有鐵權事件啊我認為你們的信託金錢也都這樣輕鬆待過可能都只是蓋章走過場其實委員不是待會有時間讓我說好來那您說明到底這個獨董門神話這件事情他就這個事件獨董有沒有失職 |
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我想剛剛我一一的回答委員的問題啦剛剛第一個就是說公問旅行一至六月我想在上個禮拜的星期三這個時間就是最多委員關心我已經重複的好幾次說明這件事情然後其實我們在通報的時候不是一通報就會去做精檢我們剛剛已經講過我們中間有經過非常多跟公司求證查證查核的過程所以要經過半年是不是每一次你們只要通報都要經過半年才可以才啟動精檢嗎 |
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不是所有通報都要精檢我想通報他已經主動揭露這件事情我們會要求他補件說明來這邊這個做一些查核的動作所以今天即使沒有這個揮拳事件所以你們還是啟動精檢一樣損失10億元那一樣就這樣帶過嗎 |
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不是 揮拳事件跟這件事情是沒有關係的因為我覺得說不是 不會因為揮拳就是精簡你先啟動了信託精簡揮拳之後才有擴大精簡不是 擴大精簡那今天才是擴大精簡的最後的截止日是 謝謝委員的指正啦我的意思是說其實各位看因為我們的好 那過來你認不認同獨董失職這件事情獨董失職要由國泰金庫去看他們獨董有沒有 |
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所以你不認為他有這個獨董失職所以你也不用去檢討你的宣傳門的條款嗎所以可以任意的任何的高官退休之後只要遵行現在最重一個刑事的審查我退休三年後就可以進入到非前五年任職的一個機構然後繼續的這個即使他們這樣的一個像這樣今天的案件獨董兩個副主委他都可以不用講話那獨董 |
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他的功能何在他代表股東監理公司來參與這個重大決策那他的職務是什麼那是不是台灣就廢掉獨董算了你還不承認說獨董在這件事情是有失職的你還被葉蓋銘你還在敷衍連你都是門省啊連你主委都是國泰金控的門省啊 |
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委員誤會了我沒有這樣講所以你認為獨董的角色是什麼在這邊沒失職沒有我說有沒有失職我再問一次 |
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今天大股東蔡振宇痛批獨統失職 你認不認同這沒有模糊的空間 如果你說沒有好 那就送大家公平喔表示今天所有花了兩個禮拜委員我沒有這麼說 我沒有這麼說那有沒有失職我想有沒有失職要事實來認定啦 對不對那你的事實認定有沒有我們要做整體的評估 我不會在這邊做這樣所以這也是金錢的內容嗎 |
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如果你是這樣子的答覆在國會殿堂面對現在損失權益損失的五萬名的股民你覺得這樣對得起公私治理你做一個今晚會主委的職責嗎沒有公私治理不好我們會來討論好主委你直球對決這三個問題今天你擴大經檢你到底查了什麼 |
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我想跟委員報告 我們經檢 剛才郭委員也問到我們經檢也不方便在這邊跟我們說我們查到什麼 現在還在查好 你什麼時候公佈經檢結果在半年後嗎我們完成程序以後當我們做出這個 比如說假設真的裁罰報告我們都會公佈裡面的內容這是哪一個主管機關是經檢局嗎不是 是由經管會來做檢察局值 我們執行檢查動作檢察局局長要不要說明你什麼時候公佈我的這個經檢結果 |
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報告委員 我們會盡快再處理盡快啊 半年後啊 夠不夠快當然不會拖這麼久 我們定是盡快的盡快是多久 兩個禮拜可以嗎今天最後一天了 兩個禮拜讓你整理資料也夠了吧 |
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委員這個真的要看事實啦因為我覺得這樣一個一個大家這麼關注的問題壓一個時間一定要把他你又知道關注了你也知道這是重大事件了所以你還可以代做到你沒有辦法在這邊允諾說你到底要什麼時候公佈經檢不是經檢的報告我們講說我們要釐清事實才要公佈我們重點不是時間要把他本席要求兩個禮拜做得到嗎 |
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這真的要按照事實來決定啦 真的委員所以半年 三個月我們能快就不會慢啊 這本來就是這樣啊我非常失望齁今天你在 你對於社會大眾矚目大家關注五萬人 五萬的股民受損然後公司要損失十億這樣子你還在這邊閃躲其辭好再來第二個 |
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你認為現在的旋轉門迴避條款有沒有檢討的空間任何制度都有檢討的空間那只是說這個旋轉門迴避條款不是我們在這邊規範的是這是我們工人服務法規定的內容所以你認為在監管在治理監管會當中有沒有需要加嚴或者是應該怎麼的做檢討其實這件事情我們事後我們在內部都有做很多的檢討我們也承諾我們這個委員會針對這幾個議題我們都會來好好來檢討 |
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所以旋轉門當中是你檢討的項目之一嗎對於他們兼職的規定我們會來檢討那對於說比如說這些利益衝突的方面這個都是我們檢討的重點也是會納入你的精檢的範圍嗎精檢的話他們本來就已經在做了所以這是第二個議題精檢之外你還有第二個議題嗎我們所有的跟這個有關的我們都可以檢討好 OK 那有第三個問題 |
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針對這個監理盲區這180天在1月的時候金管會收到國泰投行的通報到6月的時候你們介入這個介入並裁罰現在也還沒有裁罰也沒什麼裁罰你們金管會針對這樣的半年的監理盲區你作為主委你要提出什麼樣的鐵丸手段做全面的清查 |
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我想我們該做的都會做比如說像剛剛講的我們該檢討它內部的為什麼他們這些的內控制度會失靈是不是要有多重的這樣的一個通報機制確保這個東西不會有問題好 文西在這邊具體要求我對這個主委您現在我可以給你封個封號了你就做打派級主委 |
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太極組委實問須答所以我在這邊具體要求兩個禮拜內第一個公佈擴大精檢結果第二個旋轉門利益迴避的這個條款啟動檢視擴大並強化的一個檢討報告第三個監理盲區的檢討你們的這個的一個檢討報告同步在兩個禮拜內這三份提出來 |
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主委可以嗎我想委員的要求我們會照做但是這個內容還是要根據事實來做我沒有叫你虛假怎麼可以報虛假你當然跟著你當然實質怎麼監理你的報告什麼你就兩個禮拜就提出來啊 |
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好我就做這樣要求可以喔好那就這樣以上我們拭目以待跟各位跟我們現在社會大眾針對這樣的重大精簡以及旋轉門迴避的這樣的一個檢討機制以及你們這180天的監理盲君兩個禮拜又對社會大眾說明好以上謝謝好謝謝我們結束林代化委員的質詢接下來請劉書斌 |