| IVOD_ID |
170320 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170320 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T09:35:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T09:49:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c82102b2778a0a55bc15a203c8b184455ea8195bb850ba73424316367c9c5a82321895ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:23 - 09:49:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請金管委的彭主委請彭主委還有那個交易所的要董事長嗎 是不是林董事長林董對不起 請委員長 |
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兩位長官早齁我先問一下應該這是教育所在處理的吧這個前陣子有委員提到說要延到三點半是嗎這個這個案子確定沒有沒有跟委員報告事實上來講的話我們只是在做研議而且我們有好多案子都在做研議只是那一天委員特別提出來做了一點溝通而已是主委要不要講一下是我想當天其實當天 |
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林董事長說他演繹的內容的時候我就已經直接講了這是一個重大的事情那因為影響重大所以我們我在當天就有講只是那時候有部分媒體沒有把我後面的講出來其實我們第二天的時候我們就直接發了一個非常明確的澄清說明 |
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說明這是一個重大的制度的交易改革影響的層面非常多沒有做整密的研究之前什麼時候可以引力出來沒有 這個其實制度各國都在走都正在做我們是看因為主要還是要回到現在我感覺是大老闆把大老闆支持一般的散戶 |
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普羅大眾而且包括工作同仁工作人員比如說券商的工作人員等等的都反對啊不是委員是這樣因為主要是我現在講對吧我們這個市場有多元的投資人多元的市場參與者對他們有各種不同的意見我們的立場很清楚在沒有達成社會共識之前我們不會來推動我想這個很清楚了只是說各方有他各方意見都可以表達大概什麼時候會有共識 |
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你不要開一場一場去開會啊三個月內你能不能告訴我一個答案這可能沒辦法有個時間表我想我跟委員報告三個月可以嗎台灣的交易狀況我們現在優先次序不是在做這件事情我想上次董事長可以講說他優先次序要做些什麼事我請他來做說明 |
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再不實施可以嗎 |
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所以暫時不實施這個暫時多久不知道慢慢研究慢慢聽對 涉及到整個社會我們所有的議題都是這樣這變化太大了是的就是說這個從過去我們改變延長交易都是經過非常長時間所以我可以講說彭金榮主委頂兩點暫不實施還要經過多長的時間再去尋求共識 |
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現在大家很關心中聯友的事情被罰了1.65億 中聯友是三家公司 |
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泰山福壽福茂三家被處罰1.6億三家平均分擔一家是5500萬 |
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可是4月份已經發現了喔4月份已經發現這三家是上市公司喔他都沒有重訊喔這個你們有沒有去follow up啊這個請教一手說明法官委員報告事實上來講的話昨天他已經發重訊了昨天4月份就已經發現了到昨天才這樣慢了M拍喔不是半拍喔慢了不知道好幾拍啊 |
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對不對 而且這是他底下的籃球發現的跟委員報告是昨天才確定被滑所以他昨天才發重訊 你要確定他的那個實質上的具體到底是怎麼樣是昨天被滑的 因為他們也有 昨天就發了重訊跟委員報告這個老實講 這三家的ESG表現不好吧 |
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這個我們到時候都會做考量難道不是嗎 他ESG 求你喔 ESG 表現不好 有沒有法則有沒有法則 你沒有法則 有沒有 交易所沒有啊 看了一下都沒有法則啊 |
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基本上我們ESG表現不佳的部分來講的話我們基本上我們都有ESG的評鑑我們在這個評鑑的ranking上事實上現在的上市櫃公司都非常重視這ESG的評鑑那肯定這樣的部分來講我們會再扣分 |
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我們會做 我們一定會在評卷裡面公佈評卷多久公佈一次我們一年公佈一次一年喔 對神經線拉很長喔 你的導線很長耶一年 這個東西有關死的安全老百姓 旁邊就有朋友告訴我 |
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他在買了沙拉油就三家裡面其中一家他在想說要不要丟掉 油都沒有完要不要丟掉跟委員報告就EHG的評鑑是這樣但是基本上我們可以針對於重訓他們這個有沒有內控的缺失再去做處罰交易所這邊有兩個一個是我們可以去查核他到底他在這個事情上這樣講啦 那個主委聽著喔 |
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ESG是好事 但是現在來看的話 ESG都是大家輪流吹牛用的 對不對我們不能 經管委也不能這麼說 ESG啊 我們是跟各位講這是一個評鑑制度 是一個類似一個比較類似 積極鼓勵那些做得好的人我們予以表揚 但是呢 剛剛講說 |
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委員這張投影片裡面為什麼他們會被罰因為其他還有其他的法令法規在去規範這些行為ESG是一個綜合的去評斷一家公司在這三個構面上這樣說的話ESG就廢掉就好了不是它是其中一個機制不是所有的機制我們有交易所跟它之間的這樣的管理關係也有很多法令不是只有靠ESG而已去研究ESG做了擺爛的給它處罰可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
419.031 |
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今天啊我為什麼提不提這個好 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
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這個重量級的彭主委對外說ESG是個擺設而已 裝得太爛也沒有關係我想我剛剛從來都沒有這麼說我想說媒體也不會下這樣一個標題不是 ESG的評鑑已經行之有年大家都知道它的屬性它不是用來做一個監理工具的啦大家當好先生啦 早上要早起 早睡身體要好 |
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也不是啦幾乎就是啦因為你都不敢有罰則啊我們來看第二個問題因為我時間有限這個我跟你談過住院才離配我找了一下住院的手術一年大概22萬到25萬例男生手術26萬到30萬例 |
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門診手術等於是佔了全部的55%可以轉換比例尤其現在來講因為我們立法院通過了醫療法這個對護理師來講的話就很辛苦所以這個我就是請教你是 |
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你們有沒有認真去思考對於舊的保單有些的手術有些的手術就給他累 住院 理配這樣子的話也減輕醫院的負擔提高病床的做準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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內住院!內住院! |
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商業保險端來看是一個很難執行的問題所以我剛才講說大家講一些醫療的名詞這些東西怎麼樣落實在契約條款上面這個確實需要做充分的溝通因為很多這個你說幾句話我現在就問你啦給我一個答案啦通話給我一個答案好不好你們什麼時候會有答案出來我們現在逐步的有一些明朗的事情什麼時候會有答案出來 |
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委員講是什麼部分有沒有明確的答案就是說門診手術可以理賠門診手術可以理賠比如說我們現在講有些已經非常明確到白內障可以理賠上次我想我們請那個局長簡單跟您說明我們跟衛福部討論的一些結果 |
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各位我們跟衛福部溝通那請衛福部提供相關的數據也就是說過去是住院現在改門診大部分可以改門診的項目那這些是需要醫療專業跟相關的數據讓我們可以再跟業者再做下一步的一個溝通商議 |
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你們給我一個時間表什麼時候可以明確然後告訴我增加好幾項等於這幾項的門診都可以當作注意這個的話就希望衛福部盡快給我們協助就像白內障一樣大家社會有共識的話還有多少是像白內障這種情形的要多久時間可以嗎這個我們要跟衛福部公開這不是我們決定的兩個月可以嗎 兩個月 |
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沒有 這個要真的要他們跟醫界來溝通啦我想這部分我們是隨時準備好最後一個問題請那個財政部的莊部長好不好莊部長還有那個台酒的董事長湯董事長請莊部長湯董事長 |
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我很簡短的問 請問一下湯董事長這個台酒泡麵嘛對不對是有沒有用到中年 有沒有謝謝委員關心我們第一時間就全面盤查都沒有用到有的不僅僅有泡麵裡還有其他的喔 |
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對 我們全部所有的都沒有用到相關的剛才有委員提到的 我就同樣的替你講你們營運的 你們的營業額或者是營餘都逐年衰退加熱量是很重要的項目嗎加熱量不過所以讓你們這樣子嗎是嗎不是吧委員那個香菸占本公司超過52%的營收也算是影響很大 |
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所以影響很大所以這個戰略算國際數的是這個意思就這個意思我們會繼續努力府邸中心有沒有想過民營化你們啊有沒有想過民營化各位我們報告我想民營化是國家的政策董事長沒有辦法做決定但是如果國營企業可以有民營化的效率跟國際化的競爭力你應該講一個說在我任內我要積極推動民營化 |
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你敢不敢這樣講來 最後一個部長 我跟你講一個東西十安五環啊這個民進黨政府推的 從108年開始到現在到113年 總共花了快400億了這裡面財政部建了非常的完整發票系統 |
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十二五很重要就是從邊境管理然後整個食品履歷通通掌握住所以財政部其實有這套solution現在每天在吵都說不知道流到哪裡去第二層第三層不知道流到哪裡去其實就是衛福部擺爛財政部做好的東西他不用我這樣講對吧 |
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我想這樣 有關這個我們的發票是事實上可以做稅源而且我們也都上了那個食品雲可以借接那衛福部可以透過這樣子來做上下游的追蹤他們定期也都會來跟我們就是說來做需求就是一句話 |
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花了四百億左右將近四百億建立的這一套東西不是只有這一套好幾套這是其中一個很重要的這一套可以確實他怎麼不知道第二層第三層是誰通通知道因為你們要課稅你們要課稅但是衛福部沒有好好用啦就這樣 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:35:35.859000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請金管會彭主委，還有交易所林董事長。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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請彭主委、林董事長。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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兩位長官早。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:35:52.314000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:35:54.916000+08:00 |
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我先問一下，這應該是交易所在處理的吧？ |
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0.824 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:35:56.778000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:00.120000+08:00 |
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前陣子有委員提到要延到3點半，是不是？ |
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0.875 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:00.140000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:03.883000+08:00 |
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這個案子確定沒有？沒有。 |
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1 |
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林董事長修銘 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:04.963000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:14.590000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，事實上我們只是在做研議，而且我們有好多案子都在做研議，只是那一天委員有特別提出來，做了一點溝通而已。 |
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0.98 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:16.051000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:16.712000+08:00 |
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主委要不要講一下？ |
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1 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-08T09:36:18.633000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:26.556000+08:00 |
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當天林董事長說他研議的內容時，我就已經直接講了，這是一個重大的事情，因為影響很重大…… |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:26.556000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:27.556000+08:00 |
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這個很重大喔！ |
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0 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:26.836000+08:00 |
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對，所以我在當天就有講，只是那時候有部分媒體沒有把我後面講的寫出來，其實我們第二天就直接發了一個非常明確的澄清說明了。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:36.760000+08:00 |
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1 |
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說明怎麼樣？ |
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0 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-08T09:36:39.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-08T09:36:45.219000+08:00 |
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說明這是一個重大交易制度的改革，影響層面非常多，在沒有做縝密的研究之前…… |
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0.879 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:45.499000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:36:46.800000+08:00 |
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什麼時候可以研議出來？ |
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0.8 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
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沒有，這個制度各國都正在做，我們在看，因為主要還是要回到…… |
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0.96 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:06.609000+08:00 |
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現在我感覺是大老闆支持，一般的散戶、普羅大眾、工作人員，比如說券商的工作人員等等都反對啊！不是。 |
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1 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:07.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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2026-07-08T09:37:08.550000+08:00 |
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委員是這樣，就是因為主要是…… |
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0.833 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:08.870000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:09.411000+08:00 |
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我現在講的對吧？ |
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0.857 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:10.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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2026-07-08T09:37:25.321000+08:00 |
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我們這個市場有多元的投資人、多元的市場參與者，他們有各種不同的意見，我們的立場很清楚，在沒有達成社會共識之前，我們不會推動，我想這個很清楚了，只是說各方有各方的意見都可以表達。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:25.321000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:25.722000+08:00 |
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大概什麼時候會有共識？ |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:27.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:29.250000+08:00 |
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或者你們要不要一場一場去開會？ |
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0.714 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:30.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:32.171000+08:00 |
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3個月內能不能告訴我們一個答案？ |
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0.929 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:32.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:33.171000+08:00 |
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因為現在外面有人期待啊！ |
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0 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-08T09:37:33.031000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:36.212000+08:00 |
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這可能沒辦法有個時間表，我跟委員報告，這個…… |
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0.895 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:37.212000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:37:37.992000+08:00 |
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3個月可以嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-08T09:37:37.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:46.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
臺灣的交易狀況，我們現在優先次序不是在做這件事情，上次董事長有講他的優先次序要做些什麼事情，我請他來做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-08T09:37:46.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:47.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
沒有、沒有，時間有限，就這樣好了，我就簡單的講，你看看對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-08T09:37:47.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:48.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
彭主委，我聽你講，就是暫不實施？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-08T09:37:48.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-08T09:37:48.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
這樣問可以吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:04.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:10.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
就是暫時不實施，這個暫時多久不知道，慢慢研究、慢慢聽，就這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:10.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:14.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，這個剛剛講說因為涉及到整個社會，我們所有的議題都是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:14.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:14.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
這太大了，這變化太大了。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:15.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:19.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
就是說從過去我們改變、延長交易都是經過非常長的時間研議，是社會共識的結果…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.676 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:19.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:25.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
所以我可以講「彭金隆主委：暫不實施，還要經過多長的時間再去尋求共識」，這樣可以嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:25.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:28.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
這個請媒體朋友來決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:28.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-08T09:38:31.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以我替你說，你不敢接受。來！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-08T09:38:31.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:22.207000+08:00 |
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我們來看，現在大家很關心中聯油的事情，被罰了1.65億，中聯油是3家公司投資的，泰山、福壽、福懋3家被處罰1.65億，3家平均分攤一家是5,500萬，可是4月份已經發現這3家是上市公司，他們都沒有發重訊，這個你們有沒有去follow up？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:22.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:23.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
這個請交易所說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:23.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:24.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
來，交易所。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:23.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:27.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
跟委員報告，事實上來講，昨天他們已經發重訊了。昨天？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:28.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:33.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
4月份它就已經發現了，到昨天才發，這樣慢了N拍，不是半拍喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:34.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:37.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
慢了不知道好幾拍，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:37.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:40.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
而且這是它底下的南僑發現的。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:40.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:52.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
跟委員報告，是昨天才確定被罰，所以他們昨天才發重訊，因為要確定實質上具體到底是怎麼樣，是昨天被罰的，他們昨天就發了重訊，跟委員報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:52.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-08T09:39:53.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
老實講，這3家ESG表現不好嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-08T09:39:53.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:02.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
難道不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:02.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:04.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這個我們到時候都會做考量。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:04.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:05.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
難道不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:06.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:11.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
請問你，ESG表現不好，有沒有罰則？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:11.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:13.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你們有沒有罰則，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:13.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:13.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
交易所。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:13.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:15.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
基本上來講…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:15.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:16.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:17.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:18.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
看了一下都沒有罰則。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:22.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:37.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
基本上ESG表現不佳的部分，我們都有ESG的評鑑，在這個評鑑的ranking上，事實上現在的上市櫃公司都非常重視ESG評鑑，這樣的部分我們肯定會扣分。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:37.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:41.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你們是多久公布一次？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:41.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:42.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我們一定會在評鑑裡面扣分。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:43.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:45.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
那我問你，評鑑多久公布一次？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:45.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:46.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們一年公布一次。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:47.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:51.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
一年喔？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:51.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-08T09:40:55.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這個神經線拉很長，你的導線很長耶！一年！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-08T09:40:56.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:09.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個東西攸關食的安全，老百姓……我旁邊就有朋友告訴我，他買的沙拉油就是3家裡面其中一家，他在想要不要丟掉，油都沒用完，要不要丟掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林董事長修銘 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:09.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:25.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
跟委員報告，就ESG的評鑑是這樣，但是基本上我們可以針對於重訊、他們有沒有內控的缺失再去做處罰，交易所這邊有兩個，一個是我們可以查核到底他們在這個事情上…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:26.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:26.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這樣講啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:26.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:35.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
主委也聽著，ESG是好事，但是現在來看的話，ESG淪為大家吹牛用的，金管會能不能拿出手段…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.725 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:36.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:37.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
其實委員也不能這麼說。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:37.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:38.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
說ESG做得不好者處罰，可以嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.188 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:38.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:40.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
ESG我們跟各位講，這是一個評鑑制度，比較類似積極鼓勵那些做得好的人，我們予以表揚。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:40.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:41.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
有沒有罰則？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:41.079000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:42.079000+08:00 |
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做得不好的有沒有罰則？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:40.079000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:54.992000+08:00 |
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但是剛才講的是，剛剛委員這張投影片裡面為什麼他們會被罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:54.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-07-08T09:41:59.075000+08:00 |
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因為還有其他的法令、法規再去規範這些行為。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:59.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:00.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以你們不罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-07-08T09:41:59.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:04.078000+08:00 |
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ESG是綜合評斷一家公司在這三個構面上…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:04.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-08T09:42:07.541000+08:00 |
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主委，這樣說來ESG廢掉就好了，這是大家錦上添花的，大家講一講說自己有多讚，對不對？ |
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0.297 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:42:07.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:17.748000+08:00 |
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不是，它是其中一個機制，但不是所有的機制，我們交易所跟它之間有這樣的管理關係，也有很多法令，不是只有靠ESG而已。來啦！ |
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0.925 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:17.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:20.430000+08:00 |
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去研究給ESG擺爛的處罰，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:20.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:21.430000+08:00 |
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沒有，我想這是評鑑制度…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:21.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:22.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:22.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:23.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我問你可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:23.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:24.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
委員，我們市場管理是各種不同機制的搭配，不是全部都只有一種樣態，像我們也做很多評鑑制度，有些是要做監理用的，那當然是；有些是要做促進發展方向的，屬性不一樣，我們有其他不同類型的監管措施來處理這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:22.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-07-08T09:42:23.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
今天我為什麼提這個？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-07-08T09:42:23.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:00.296000+08:00 |
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好，ESG你要擺爛就擺爛，等於今天重量級的彭主委對外說ESG是個擺設而已，做得太爛沒有關係，也沒有罰則。 |
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0.574 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:00.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:05.259000+08:00 |
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我從來都沒有這麼說，我想媒體也不會下這樣的標題。 |
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0.955 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:05.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:06.259000+08:00 |
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你就是這麼說，你就是這個意思。不是。 |
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0.133 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:05.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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2026-07-08T09:43:11.083000+08:00 |
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ESG評鑑已經行之有年，大家都知道它的屬性，它不是用來做一個監理工具的。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:11.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:12.083000+08:00 |
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你說這是鼓勵的啊！ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:12.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:15.765000+08:00 |
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大家當好好先生，早上要早睡早起身體好，ESG變這樣子了啊！ |
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0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:18.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:19.308000+08:00 |
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也不是啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:19.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:20.449000+08:00 |
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幾乎就是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:20.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:21.449000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:21.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-07-08T09:43:22.351000+08:00 |
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因為你都不敢有罰則啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-07-08T09:43:23.272000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:44:18.176000+08:00 |
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我們來看第二個問題，因為我的時間有限，這個我跟你談過，住院才理賠，我找了一下，住院手術一年大概22萬到25萬例，門診手術26萬到35萬例，門診手術等於是占了全部的55%，可以轉換比例……尤其現在來講，立法院通過了醫療法，對護理師來講很辛苦，所以我請教你，舊保單你們有沒有認真去思考對有些手術給它類住院理賠，這樣子的話也減輕醫院的負擔，提高病床周轉率，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-07-08T09:44:18.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-07-08T09:44:20.257000+08:00 |
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委員剛剛提到我們有沒有認真思考這個問題，這個問題是我跟保險局討論最多的議題之一，我們絕對會認真思考，只是這個東西確實要認真思考。 |
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0.017 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:44:20.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-07-08T09:44:56.621000+08:00 |
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剛才委員提到類住院，其實類住院這件事情，對於不是醫療專業的商業保險端來看，有一個很難執行的問題，所以我剛才說大家講一些醫療名詞，這些怎麼樣落實在契約條款上面，確實需要做充分的溝通，因為很多…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-07-08T09:44:57.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:01.102000+08:00 |
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你說了老半天，我現在就問你，痛快給我一個答案，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:01.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:03.723000+08:00 |
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你們什麼時候會有答案出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:03.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:05.223000+08:00 |
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我們現在逐步有一些事情明朗…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:05.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:06.344000+08:00 |
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什麼時候會有答案出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:07.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:09.723000+08:00 |
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委員講的是什麼部分有明確的答案，比如說…… |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:09.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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2026-07-08T09:45:14.107000+08:00 |
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就是門診手術可以理賠。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:14.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:17.331000+08:00 |
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門診手術可以理賠，我們現在講的有些已經非常明確…… |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:17.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:18.331000+08:00 |
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白內障有吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:17.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:19.593000+08:00 |
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白內障可以理賠，上次…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:19.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:20.593000+08:00 |
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但這個很少。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:19.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:23.457000+08:00 |
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我想請局長簡單跟您說明我們跟衛福部討論的結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:23.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:26.520000+08:00 |
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快點，我的時間快要結束了。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
王局長麗惠 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:26.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:40.251000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們跟衛福部有溝通，請衛福部提供相關的數據，也就是說，過去是住院，現在改門診，大部分可以改門診的項目，這些是需要醫療專業跟相關的數據，讓我們可以跟業者再做下一步的溝通商議。 |
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0.928 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:40.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:41.877000+08:00 |
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就是說，比如像…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:41.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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2026-07-08T09:45:48.939000+08:00 |
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你們給我一個時間表，什麼時候可以明確告訴我增加哪幾項，等於這幾項的門診手術都可以當作住院理賠？ |
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0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:49.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:53.900000+08:00 |
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這個的話，希望衛福部儘快給我們協助，就像白內障一樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-07-08T09:45:53.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-07-08T09:45:54.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:54.220000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:57.621000+08:00 |
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社會有共識的話，看還有多少疾病是像白內障這種情形…… |
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0.87 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:58.341000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:59.621000+08:00 |
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要多久時間可以嘛！ |
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0.875 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:45:59.721000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:01.162000+08:00 |
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這個我們要跟衛福部溝通，不是我們能決定的。 |
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0.842 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:01.182000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:01.442000+08:00 |
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兩個月可以嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:02.562000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:09.205000+08:00 |
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沒有，這個真的要他們跟醫界來溝通，我想這部分我們是隨時準備好。好。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:09.845000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:17.009000+08:00 |
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最後一個問題，請財政部莊部長及臺酒湯董事長。 |
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0.95 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:17.009000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:17.189000+08:00 |
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請莊部長、湯董事長。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:23.739000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:29.002000+08:00 |
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我很簡短地問，請問湯董事長…… |
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0.917 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:29.002000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:30.002000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:30.002000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:31.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:29.002000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:30.222000+08:00 |
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臺酒有泡麵，對不對？是。 |
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0.889 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:31.583000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:32.163000+08:00 |
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有沒有用到中聯油脂？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:34.484000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:37.925000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員關心，我們第一時間就全面盤查，都沒有用到相關的…… |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:38.166000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:38.166000+08:00 |
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都沒有？ |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:38.166000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:39.166000+08:00 |
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對，都沒有。 |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:38.746000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:40.767000+08:00 |
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你們不僅僅有泡麵，還有其他的。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:42.391000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:45.072000+08:00 |
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對，我們全部的產品都沒有用到相關的…… |
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0.875 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:45.553000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:54.617000+08:00 |
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剛才有委員提到了，我就同樣地替你講了，你們營運的營業額或者是盈餘都逐年衰退。 |
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0.886 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:55.817000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:46:59.079000+08:00 |
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加熱菸是很重要的項目嗎？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-07-08T09:46:59.079000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:02.560000+08:00 |
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是因為加熱菸不過讓你們這樣子嗎？是嗎？ |
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0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:02.560000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:02.880000+08:00 |
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不是吧？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-07-08T09:47:04.221000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:10.904000+08:00 |
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委員，香菸占本公司超過52%的營收，也算是影響很大。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:12.161000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:17.024000+08:00 |
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影響很大，所以這個債要算國健署的，是這個意思，就這個意思，是吧？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:17.464000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:18.404000+08:00 |
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我們會繼續努力。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:20.285000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:21.285000+08:00 |
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釜底抽薪，你們有沒有想過民營化？ |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:22.766000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:23.446000+08:00 |
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有沒有想過民營化？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-07-08T09:47:25.127000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:36.292000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我想民營化是國家的政策，董事長沒有辦法做決定，但是如果國營企業可以有民營化的效率跟國際化的競爭力…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.941 |
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賴委員士葆：你應該講說 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-07-08T09:47:37.313000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:39.394000+08:00 |
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在我任內，我要積極推動民營化。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
賴委員士葆：你應該講說 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:40.793000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:44.375000+08:00 |
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你敢不敢這樣講？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-07-08T09:47:44.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:45.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
謝謝委員的關心。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:45.375000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:46.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
你敢不敢這樣講？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
湯董事長期安 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-07-08T09:47:46.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:47.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
這個是…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:47:44.375000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:48:13.758000+08:00 |
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最後，部長，我跟你講一個東西，食安五環是民進黨政府推的，從108年開始到113年總共花了快400億，這裡面財政部建了非常完整的發票系統，食安五環很重要的就是從邊境管理、將整個食品履歷統統掌握住，所以財政部其實有這一套solution。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-08T09:48:13.818000+08:00 |
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2026-07-08T09:48:25.189000+08:00 |
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現在每天在吵，都說不知道流到哪裡去，第二層、第三層不知道流到哪裡去，其實就是衛福部擺爛，財政部做好的東西它不用，部長，我這樣講，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:28.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-07-08T09:48:33.463000+08:00 |
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我想是這樣子，我們的發票事實上可以做溯源…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-07-08T09:48:33.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-08T09:48:34.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
請部長簡答。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:33.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-07-08T09:48:39.808000+08:00 |
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而且我們也都上了食品雲可以介接，衛福部可以透過這樣子來做上下游的追蹤。 |
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0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:39.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-07-08T09:48:40.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
衛福部都沒有用，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:40.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-07-08T09:48:41.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
它目前沒有什麼用啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:39.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-07-08T09:48:41.610000+08:00 |
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可以追蹤，而且他們也都會定期來跟我們提需求。 |
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0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-07-08T09:48:41.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:01.579000+08:00 |
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我就是一句話，花了將近400億左右建立的這一套東西，不是只有這一套，有好幾套，其中很重要的這套可以trace……怎麼不知道第二層、第三層是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-07-08T09:49:02.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:02.899000+08:00 |
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統統知道，因為你們要課稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-07-08T09:49:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:03.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
我相信衛福部也一直都努力在做。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-07-08T09:49:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:04.039000+08:00 |
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你們要課稅，但是衛福部沒有好好用，就是這樣子。謝謝。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-07-08T09:49:04.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:08.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
謝謝，我們結束賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-07-08T09:49:08.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-07-08T09:49:11.410429+08:00 |
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接下來請郭國文委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：（9時35分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請金管會彭主委，還有交易所林董事長。 |
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主席：請彭主委、林董事長。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官早。我先問一下，這應該是交易所在處理的吧？前陣子有委員提到要延到3點半，是不是？這個案子確定沒有？ |
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林董事長修銘：沒有。跟委員報告，事實上我們只是在做研議，而且我們有好多案子都在做研議，只是那一天委員有特別提出來，做了一點溝通而已。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委要不要講一下？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：當天林董事長說他研議的內容時，我就已經直接講了，這是一個重大的事情，因為影響很重大…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個很重大喔！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：對，所以我在當天就有講，只是那時候有部分媒體沒有把我後面講的寫出來，其實我們第二天就直接發了一個非常明確的澄清說明了。 |
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賴委員士葆：說明怎麼樣？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：說明這是一個重大交易制度的改革，影響層面非常多，在沒有做縝密的研究之前…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以研議出來？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有，這個制度各國都正在做，我們在看，因為主要還是要回到…… |
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賴委員士葆：現在我感覺是大老闆支持，一般的散戶、普羅大眾、工作人員，比如說券商的工作人員等等都反對啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是。委員是這樣，就是因為主要是…… |
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賴委員士葆：我現在講的對吧？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們這個市場有多元的投資人、多元的市場參與者，他們有各種不同的意見，我們的立場很清楚，在沒有達成社會共識之前，我們不會推動，我想這個很清楚了，只是說各方有各方的意見都可以表達。 |
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賴委員士葆：大概什麼時候會有共識？或者你們要不要一場一場去開會？3個月內能不能告訴我們一個答案？因為現在外面有人期待啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這可能沒辦法有個時間表，我跟委員報告，這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：3個月可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：臺灣的交易狀況，我們現在優先次序不是在做這件事情，上次董事長有講他的優先次序要做些什麼事情，我請他來做說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有、沒有，時間有限，就這樣好了，我就簡單的講，你看看對不對？彭主委，我聽你講，就是暫不實施？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：是的。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣問可以吧！就是暫時不實施，這個暫時多久不知道，慢慢研究、慢慢聽，就這樣？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：對，這個剛剛講說因為涉及到整個社會，我們所有的議題都是這樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：這太大了，這變化太大了。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：是的。就是說從過去我們改變、延長交易都是經過非常長的時間研議，是社會共識的結果…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以我可以講「彭金隆主委：暫不實施，還要經過多長的時間再去尋求共識」，這樣可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有。這個請媒體朋友來決定。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以我替你說，你不敢接受。 |
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來！我們來看，現在大家很關心中聯油的事情，被罰了1.65億，中聯油是3家公司投資的，泰山、福壽、福懋3家被處罰1.65億，3家平均分攤一家是5,500萬，可是4月份已經發現這3家是上市公司，他們都沒有發重訊，這個你們有沒有去follow up？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個請交易所說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：來，交易所。 |
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林董事長修銘：跟委員報告，事實上來講，昨天他們已經發重訊了。 |
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賴委員士葆：昨天？4月份它就已經發現了，到昨天才發，這樣慢了N拍，不是半拍喔！慢了不知道好幾拍，對不對？而且這是它底下的南僑發現的。 |
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林董事長修銘：跟委員報告，是昨天才確定被罰，所以他們昨天才發重訊，因為要確定實質上具體到底是怎麼樣，是昨天被罰的，他們昨天就發了重訊，跟委員報告。 |
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賴委員士葆：老實講，這3家ESG表現不好嘛！難道不是嗎？ |
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林董事長修銘：這個我們到時候都會做考量。 |
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賴委員士葆：難道不是嗎？請問你，ESG表現不好，有沒有罰則？你們有沒有罰則，有沒有？交易所。 |
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林董事長修銘：基本上來講…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有啊！看了一下都沒有罰則。 |
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林董事長修銘：基本上ESG表現不佳的部分，我們都有ESG的評鑑，在這個評鑑的ranking上，事實上現在的上市櫃公司都非常重視ESG評鑑，這樣的部分我們肯定會扣分。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們是多久公布一次？ |
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林董事長修銘：我們一定會在評鑑裡面扣分。 |
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賴委員士葆：那我問你，評鑑多久公布一次？ |
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林董事長修銘：我們一年公布一次。 |
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賴委員士葆：一年喔？ |
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林董事長修銘：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個神經線拉很長，你的導線很長耶！一年！這個東西攸關食的安全，老百姓……我旁邊就有朋友告訴我，他買的沙拉油就是3家裡面其中一家，他在想要不要丟掉，油都沒用完，要不要丟掉？ |
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林董事長修銘：跟委員報告，就ESG的評鑑是這樣，但是基本上我們可以針對於重訊、他們有沒有內控的缺失再去做處罰，交易所這邊有兩個，一個是我們可以查核到底他們在這個事情上…… |
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賴委員士葆：這樣講啦！主委也聽著，ESG是好事，但是現在來看的話，ESG淪為大家吹牛用的，金管會能不能拿出手段…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實委員也不能這麼說。 |
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賴委員士葆：說ESG做得不好者處罰，可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有。ESG我們跟各位講，這是一個評鑑制度，比較類似積極鼓勵那些做得好的人，我們予以表揚。 |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有罰則？做得不好的有沒有罰則？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：但是剛才講的是，剛剛委員這張投影片裡面為什麼他們會被罰？因為還有其他的法令、法規再去規範這些行為。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你們不罰？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：ESG是綜合評斷一家公司在這三個構面上…… |
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賴委員士葆：主委，這樣說來ESG廢掉就好了，這是大家錦上添花的，大家講一講說自己有多讚，對不對？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，它是其中一個機制，但不是所有的機制，我們交易所跟它之間有這樣的管理關係，也有很多法令，不是只有靠ESG而已。 |
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賴委員士葆：來啦！去研究給ESG擺爛的處罰，可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有，我想這是評鑑制度…… |
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賴委員士葆：可不可以？我問你可不可以？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員，我們市場管理是各種不同機制的搭配，不是全部都只有一種樣態，像我們也做很多評鑑制度，有些是要做監理用的，那當然是；有些是要做促進發展方向的，屬性不一樣，我們有其他不同類型的監管措施來處理這個。 |
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賴委員士葆：今天我為什麼提這個？好，ESG你要擺爛就擺爛，等於今天重量級的彭主委對外說ESG是個擺設而已，做得太爛沒有關係，也沒有罰則。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我從來都沒有這麼說，我想媒體也不會下這樣的標題。 |
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賴委員士葆：你就是這麼說，你就是這個意思。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是。ESG評鑑已經行之有年，大家都知道它的屬性，它不是用來做一個監理工具的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你說這是鼓勵的啊！大家當好好先生，早上要早睡早起身體好，ESG變這樣子了啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：也不是啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：幾乎就是啦！對不對？因為你都不敢有罰則啊！ |
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我們來看第二個問題，因為我的時間有限，這個我跟你談過，住院才理賠，我找了一下，住院手術一年大概22萬到25萬例，門診手術26萬到35萬例，門診手術等於是占了全部的55%，可以轉換比例……尤其現在來講，立法院通過了醫療法，對護理師來講很辛苦，所以我請教你，舊保單你們有沒有認真去思考對有些手術給它類住院理賠，這樣子的話也減輕醫院的負擔，提高病床周轉率，可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員剛剛提到我們有沒有認真思考這個問題，這個問題是我跟保險局討論最多的議題之一，我們絕對會認真思考，只是這個東西確實要認真思考。剛才委員提到類住院，其實類住院這件事情，對於不是醫療專業的商業保險端來看，有一個很難執行的問題，所以我剛才說大家講一些醫療名詞，這些怎麼樣落實在契約條款上面，確實需要做充分的溝通，因為很多…… |
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賴委員士葆：你說了老半天，我現在就問你，痛快給我一個答案，好不好？你們什麼時候會有答案出來？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們現在逐步有一些事情明朗…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候會有答案出來？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員講的是什麼部分有明確的答案，比如說…… |
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賴委員士葆：就是門診手術可以理賠。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：門診手術可以理賠，我們現在講的有些已經非常明確…… |
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賴委員士葆：白內障有吧？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：白內障可以理賠，上次…… |
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賴委員士葆：但這個很少。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我想請局長簡單跟您說明我們跟衛福部討論的結果。 |
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賴委員士葆：快點，我的時間快要結束了。 |
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王局長麗惠：跟委員報告，我們跟衛福部有溝通，請衛福部提供相關的數據，也就是說，過去是住院，現在改門診，大部分可以改門診的項目，這些是需要醫療專業跟相關的數據，讓我們可以跟業者再做下一步的溝通商議。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：就是說，比如像…… |
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賴委員士葆：你們給我一個時間表，什麼時候可以明確告訴我增加哪幾項，等於這幾項的門診手術都可以當作住院理賠？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個的話，希望衛福部儘快給我們協助，就像白內障一樣…… |
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賴委員士葆：要多久？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：社會有共識的話，看還有多少疾病是像白內障這種情形…… |
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賴委員士葆：要多久時間可以嘛！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個我們要跟衛福部溝通，不是我們能決定的。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩個月可以嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有，這個真的要他們跟醫界來溝通，我想這部分我們是隨時準備好。 |
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賴委員士葆：好。最後一個問題，請財政部莊部長及臺酒湯董事長。 |
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主席：請莊部長、湯董事長。 |
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賴委員士葆：我很簡短地問，請問湯董事長…… |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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湯董事長期安：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：臺酒有泡麵，對不對？ |
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湯董事長期安：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有用到中聯油脂？ |
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湯董事長期安：謝謝委員關心，我們第一時間就全面盤查，都沒有用到相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：都沒有？ |
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湯董事長期安：對，都沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們不僅僅有泡麵，還有其他的。 |
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湯董事長期安：對，我們全部的產品都沒有用到相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：剛才有委員提到了，我就同樣地替你講了，你們營運的營業額或者是盈餘都逐年衰退。加熱菸是很重要的項目嗎？是因為加熱菸不過讓你們這樣子嗎？是嗎？不是吧？ |
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湯董事長期安：委員，香菸占本公司超過52%的營收，也算是影響很大。 |
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賴委員士葆：影響很大，所以這個債要算國健署的，是這個意思，就這個意思，是吧？ |
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湯董事長期安：我們會繼續努力。 |
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賴委員士葆：釜底抽薪，你們有沒有想過民營化？有沒有想過民營化？ |
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湯董事長期安：跟委員報告，我想民營化是國家的政策，董事長沒有辦法做決定，但是如果國營企業可以有民營化的效率跟國際化的競爭力…… |
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賴委員士葆：你應該講說：在我任內，我要積極推動民營化。你敢不敢這樣講？ |
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湯董事長期安：謝謝委員的關心。 |
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賴委員士葆：你敢不敢這樣講？ |
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湯董事長期安：這個是…… |
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賴委員士葆：最後，部長，我跟你講一個東西，食安五環是民進黨政府推的，從108年開始到113年總共花了快400億，這裡面財政部建了非常完整的發票系統，食安五環很重要的就是從邊境管理、將整個食品履歷統統掌握住，所以財政部其實有這一套solution。現在每天在吵，都說不知道流到哪裡去，第二層、第三層不知道流到哪裡去，其實就是衛福部擺爛，財政部做好的東西它不用，部長，我這樣講，對吧？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我想是這樣子，我們的發票事實上可以做溯源…… |
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主席：請部長簡答。 |
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莊部長翠雲：而且我們也都上了食品雲可以介接，衛福部可以透過這樣子來做上下游的追蹤。 |
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賴委員士葆：衛福部都沒有用，對不對？它目前沒有什麼用啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：可以追蹤，而且他們也都會定期來跟我們提需求。 |
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賴委員士葆：我就是一句話，花了將近400億左右建立的這一套東西，不是只有這一套，有好幾套，其中很重要的這套可以trace……怎麼不知道第二層、第三層是誰？統統知道，因為你們要課稅。 |
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莊部長翠雲：我相信衛福部也一直都努力在做。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們要課稅，但是衛福部沒有好好用，就是這樣子。 |
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莊部長翠雲：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝，我們結束賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
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接下來請郭國文委員。 |
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526 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
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李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
劉書彬 |
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李坤城 |
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顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
王世堅 |
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鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林思銘 |
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羅明才 |
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471 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-08 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1156102 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1156102_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地
銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司（詢答）；二、審查中華民國115年
度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有
限公司（詢答）；三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關
金融監督管理委員會主管：（詢答）(一)特別收入基金─金融監督管理基金、(二)信託基金─保
險業務發展基金 |
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1156102_00002 |