| IVOD_ID |
170320 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170320 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T09:35:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T09:49:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c82102b2778a0a55bc15a203c8b184455ea8195bb850ba73424316367c9c5a82321895ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:23 - 09:49:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：（僅詢答）
(一)特別收入基金－金融監督管理基金。
(二)信託基金－保險業務發展基金。
【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請金管委的彭主委請彭主委還有那個交易所的要董事長嗎 是不是林董事長林董對不起 請委員長 |
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兩位長官早齁我先問一下應該這是教育所在處理的吧這個前陣子有委員提到說要延到三點半是嗎這個這個案子確定沒有沒有跟委員報告事實上來講的話我們只是在做研議而且我們有好多案子都在做研議只是那一天委員特別提出來做了一點溝通而已是主委要不要講一下是我想當天其實當天 |
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林董事長說他演繹的內容的時候我就已經直接講了這是一個重大的事情那因為影響重大所以我們我在當天就有講只是那時候有部分媒體沒有把我後面的講出來其實我們第二天的時候我們就直接發了一個非常明確的澄清說明 |
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說明這是一個重大的制度的交易改革影響的層面非常多沒有做整密的研究之前什麼時候可以引力出來沒有 這個其實制度各國都在走都正在做我們是看因為主要還是要回到現在我感覺是大老闆把大老闆支持一般的散戶 |
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普羅大眾而且包括工作同仁工作人員比如說券商的工作人員等等的都反對啊不是委員是這樣因為主要是我現在講對吧我們這個市場有多元的投資人多元的市場參與者對他們有各種不同的意見我們的立場很清楚在沒有達成社會共識之前我們不會來推動我想這個很清楚了只是說各方有他各方意見都可以表達大概什麼時候會有共識 |
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你不要開一場一場去開會啊三個月內你能不能告訴我一個答案這可能沒辦法有個時間表我想我跟委員報告三個月可以嗎台灣的交易狀況我們現在優先次序不是在做這件事情我想上次董事長可以講說他優先次序要做些什麼事我請他來做說明 |
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再不實施可以嗎 |
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所以暫時不實施這個暫時多久不知道慢慢研究慢慢聽對 涉及到整個社會我們所有的議題都是這樣這變化太大了是的就是說這個從過去我們改變延長交易都是經過非常長時間所以我可以講說彭金榮主委頂兩點暫不實施還要經過多長的時間再去尋求共識 |
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現在大家很關心中聯友的事情被罰了1.65億 中聯友是三家公司 |
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泰山福壽福茂三家被處罰1.6億三家平均分擔一家是5500萬 |
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可是4月份已經發現了喔4月份已經發現這三家是上市公司喔他都沒有重訊喔這個你們有沒有去follow up啊這個請教一手說明法官委員報告事實上來講的話昨天他已經發重訊了昨天4月份就已經發現了到昨天才這樣慢了M拍喔不是半拍喔慢了不知道好幾拍啊 |
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對不對 而且這是他底下的籃球發現的跟委員報告是昨天才確定被滑所以他昨天才發重訊 你要確定他的那個實質上的具體到底是怎麼樣是昨天被滑的 因為他們也有 昨天就發了重訊跟委員報告這個老實講 這三家的ESG表現不好吧 |
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這個我們到時候都會做考量難道不是嗎 他ESG 求你喔 ESG 表現不好 有沒有法則有沒有法則 你沒有法則 有沒有 交易所沒有啊 看了一下都沒有法則啊 |
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基本上我們ESG表現不佳的部分來講的話我們基本上我們都有ESG的評鑑我們在這個評鑑的ranking上事實上現在的上市櫃公司都非常重視這ESG的評鑑那肯定這樣的部分來講我們會再扣分 |
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我們會做 我們一定會在評卷裡面公佈評卷多久公佈一次我們一年公佈一次一年喔 對神經線拉很長喔 你的導線很長耶一年 這個東西有關死的安全老百姓 旁邊就有朋友告訴我 |
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他在買了沙拉油就三家裡面其中一家他在想說要不要丟掉 油都沒有完要不要丟掉跟委員報告就EHG的評鑑是這樣但是基本上我們可以針對於重訓他們這個有沒有內控的缺失再去做處罰交易所這邊有兩個一個是我們可以去查核他到底他在這個事情上這樣講啦 那個主委聽著喔 |
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ESG是好事 但是現在來看的話 ESG都是大家輪流吹牛用的 對不對我們不能 經管委也不能這麼說 ESG啊 我們是跟各位講這是一個評鑑制度 是一個類似一個比較類似 積極鼓勵那些做得好的人我們予以表揚 但是呢 剛剛講說 |
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委員這張投影片裡面為什麼他們會被罰因為其他還有其他的法令法規在去規範這些行為ESG是一個綜合的去評斷一家公司在這三個構面上這樣說的話ESG就廢掉就好了不是它是其中一個機制不是所有的機制我們有交易所跟它之間的這樣的管理關係也有很多法令不是只有靠ESG而已去研究ESG做了擺爛的給它處罰可以嗎 |
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今天啊我為什麼提不提這個好 |
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這個重量級的彭主委對外說ESG是個擺設而已 裝得太爛也沒有關係我想我剛剛從來都沒有這麼說我想說媒體也不會下這樣一個標題不是 ESG的評鑑已經行之有年大家都知道它的屬性它不是用來做一個監理工具的啦大家當好先生啦 早上要早起 早睡身體要好 |
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也不是啦幾乎就是啦因為你都不敢有罰則啊我們來看第二個問題因為我時間有限這個我跟你談過住院才離配我找了一下住院的手術一年大概22萬到25萬例男生手術26萬到30萬例 |
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門診手術等於是佔了全部的55%可以轉換比例尤其現在來講因為我們立法院通過了醫療法這個對護理師來講的話就很辛苦所以這個我就是請教你是 |
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你們有沒有認真去思考對於舊的保單有些的手術有些的手術就給他累 住院 理配這樣子的話也減輕醫院的負擔提高病床的做準備 |
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內住院!內住院! |
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商業保險端來看是一個很難執行的問題所以我剛才講說大家講一些醫療的名詞這些東西怎麼樣落實在契約條款上面這個確實需要做充分的溝通因為很多這個你說幾句話我現在就問你啦給我一個答案啦通話給我一個答案好不好你們什麼時候會有答案出來我們現在逐步的有一些明朗的事情什麼時候會有答案出來 |
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委員講是什麼部分有沒有明確的答案就是說門診手術可以理賠門診手術可以理賠比如說我們現在講有些已經非常明確到白內障可以理賠上次我想我們請那個局長簡單跟您說明我們跟衛福部討論的一些結果 |
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各位我們跟衛福部溝通那請衛福部提供相關的數據也就是說過去是住院現在改門診大部分可以改門診的項目那這些是需要醫療專業跟相關的數據讓我們可以再跟業者再做下一步的一個溝通商議 |
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你們給我一個時間表什麼時候可以明確然後告訴我增加好幾項等於這幾項的門診都可以當作注意這個的話就希望衛福部盡快給我們協助就像白內障一樣大家社會有共識的話還有多少是像白內障這種情形的要多久時間可以嗎這個我們要跟衛福部公開這不是我們決定的兩個月可以嗎 兩個月 |
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沒有 這個要真的要他們跟醫界來溝通啦我想這部分我們是隨時準備好最後一個問題請那個財政部的莊部長好不好莊部長還有那個台酒的董事長湯董事長請莊部長湯董事長 |
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我很簡短的問 請問一下湯董事長這個台酒泡麵嘛對不對是有沒有用到中年 有沒有謝謝委員關心我們第一時間就全面盤查都沒有用到有的不僅僅有泡麵裡還有其他的喔 |
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對 我們全部所有的都沒有用到相關的剛才有委員提到的 我就同樣的替你講你們營運的 你們的營業額或者是營餘都逐年衰退加熱量是很重要的項目嗎加熱量不過所以讓你們這樣子嗎是嗎不是吧委員那個香菸占本公司超過52%的營收也算是影響很大 |
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所以影響很大所以這個戰略算國際數的是這個意思就這個意思我們會繼續努力府邸中心有沒有想過民營化你們啊有沒有想過民營化各位我們報告我想民營化是國家的政策董事長沒有辦法做決定但是如果國營企業可以有民營化的效率跟國際化的競爭力你應該講一個說在我任內我要積極推動民營化 |
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你敢不敢這樣講來 最後一個部長 我跟你講一個東西十安五環啊這個民進黨政府推的 從108年開始到現在到113年 總共花了快400億了這裡面財政部建了非常的完整發票系統 |
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十二五很重要就是從邊境管理然後整個食品履歷通通掌握住所以財政部其實有這套solution現在每天在吵都說不知道流到哪裡去第二層第三層不知道流到哪裡去其實就是衛福部擺爛財政部做好的東西他不用我這樣講對吧 |
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我想這樣 有關這個我們的發票是事實上可以做稅源而且我們也都上了那個食品雲可以借接那衛福部可以透過這樣子來做上下游的追蹤他們定期也都會來跟我們就是說來做需求就是一句話 |
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花了四百億左右將近四百億建立的這一套東西不是只有這一套好幾套這是其中一個很重要的這一套可以確實他怎麼不知道第二層第三層是誰通通知道因為你們要課稅你們要課稅但是衛福部沒有好好用啦就這樣 |