| IVOD_ID |
170293 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170293 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-15,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-06T10:01:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-06T10:12:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09e0feae5cc9a38a77a9e927c6db3472053ee76114b5cdb66f57b09da713bd627a48185b157db2555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:23 - 10:12:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-06T08:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議(事由:一、審查委員林月琴等21人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王育敏等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員羅明才等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員廖先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案。九、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳瑩等19人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】
【7月6日、7月8日、兩天一次會】) |
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部長跟署長已經在那其實部長署長這個跟燒法其實也是一個新的立法那我記得當初在立法的時候我們有附帶決議就有說三年後應該啟動檢討跟改善因為這一個其實我們必須要說 |
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目前的根梢法我們那時候在立法的時候大家也會覺得說這個範圍是不是夠廣或太窄然後現在實務上發現有一些時間太長比如說書面告誡或禁制令有些大家會覺得這個時間過長所以我們那時候其實在修法的時候也有考量到這些 |
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我不知道部長跟署長,我們那時候有說3年後應該啟動檢討與改善我剛剛也聽了,有兩個大學有在做這些檢討跟改善的資料不知道現在做得如何了?大概就在7月會出來了 |
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7月會出來啦但我覺得其實現在在基層的員警其實也有一個我覺得我們如果沒有把它釐清清楚第一線工作基層員警真的我覺得替他們感到很難過 |
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到底是要用根燒法還是要用社會秩序維護法還是要用其他的法律其實很難去界定這個其實如果第一時間被害人來報案他被跟他第一時間講 |
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他就是他的這個他的意願就是說他被迷戀啦被愛慕啦被這一些的被愛人講出來第一聲是我們出辦我們就跑到這個姓李姓培的關係這個被愛人是非常重要的 |
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被害人的這個論述中但根據被害人的論述再來做查證我知道你說的這個啦但你確定每個被害人都我們問他不是啦你確定每個被害人都說得很清楚這個是一個重點這是一個重點你說的是那個我知道這是一個重點那再來我們那時候授權執法 |
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結果呢在更燒法施行細則裡面第15條我們讓檢警單位得以依職權直接向法院申請保護令免受無法書面告解這個到底做的成效如何急迫性的這個部分 |
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這個法院那邊不知道有沒有這樣的一個狀況就是那個擊破的這個部分保護令好 |
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這個案件應該不多啦我知道啊 所以我要問說這個成效如何因為執法授權你們定案你們有這個權利啊 有這個權限啊我不知道執行的效果如何啊這個可能很多人都沒有注意到啊沒有 這個目前從這個法過到現在依照之前申請保護令有80件好 成立的有多少 |
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就是有80件他有核發保護令的啊就是法官跟申請啊那個法官有準我知道啦我知道啦你現在準的是80件啦申請幾件你現在手頭上沒有資料啦齁 |
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好啦沒有關係啦我只是因為母法裡面是有規定很清楚但施行細則裡面也授權給你們這個我只是要知道說那你們的去執行的如何我覺得這個很多人也沒有注意到啊但有這個啊對不對這等於母法 |
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裡面是一定要有書面告誡啊但我們已經授權你有很多緊急的事情可以直接處理喔這個是你們的上方保健啊我就要問問你們用的如何啊這沒關係你會後再給我資料就好了你會後再給我資料就好了你這個可以去讓很多人知道說什麼啊這個平均啊什麼三十幾天什麼的我要了解的就是有這個啦好你會後再給我那再來啊現在啊 |
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欸 數位啊 跟監或什麼也很多啊我不知道 這個署長我們這邊啊 你們現在有什麼方法 |
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那數位的這個部分當然就要知道是誰要去做跟監所以一定要調資料嘛就最主要要跟這個網路平台直接調他的那個他的使用者帳號的這個資料那這部分可能要配合數碼部的這些相關資料來做一個執行那確實現在這部分的時間大概要有一點時間剛剛很多人在問的就是我要了解他是不是在透過數位的這樣的一個跟監那調的資料 |
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所以要核發書面的時間可能會稍微長一點那如果說受理事業確定是一個根操製造身份有時候我們製造確定之後我們當面就可以核發了核發的這個比例大概有25%這一個就是要現在科技的進步很多也不知道像我們以前這樣想的那麼簡單的事情那你們就是要去注意這一個另外 |
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署長我們如果不管什麼社會秩序維護法不管什麼什麼的我們就跟騷法我跟騷法如果你有給我書面、告誡有給我什麼的話當我請徵信社區的話有沒有違法? |
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徵信社的部分就是除非能夠連結調查這個跟燒人連結有連結的話那這個部分是他的應該幫助這個應該是也可以共同去做這件事情所以我現在問你啊如果以我們現行的法令來講啊對不對有沒有違法其實他有個斷點喔對啊就是 |
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跟的人如果跟他共同意識的話應該也會過程 |
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如果共同意識的聯絡我署長我提出這個並不是你有沒有承認如果我只限在耕燒法裡面這裡是不是一個漏洞 |
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這個不一定有不同的應該有其他法律的適用啦我剛剛已經一直講了如果只限耕燒法對不對我的前提已經是這樣了我的意思就是說啦齁這個耕燒法到現在你看署長你如果他跟這個 |
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教說這個教說者同樣的這個意思那當然是有翻譯人應該是算了不是啦 署長我為什麼要提出這一個不是要考你啦但是就是啊發信耕燒法裡面還有一些漏洞私情的你 我跟你講 署長 |
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再給我30秒喔署長你在這邊你都會猶豫了我們基層的員警他怎麼處理那我跟你講我如果說真心社喔他跟我講說這是商業糾紛啦什麼債務糾紛啦或什麼他講一堆沒有其他的意圖對不對沒有啦 |
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這屌渣,你現在屌渣,基層的員警怎麼辦呢,太恨了我的意思就是說,這個啊齁,他就會有可能會閃過所以啊,今天跟燒法這個大家有說要來要來啊齁,要來修法,我的重點是在哪裡 |
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我覺得啦我們今天開始這個那我剛剛聽到有很多委員說叫你幾個月叫你怎麼樣其實有很多事情還要去釐清我是希望說啊我們今天已經有這個了我們內政部警政署或是行政院也要去看然後我們提出更全方面的那我們不急著這一個月兩個月把這個處理好我覺得應該要更全面的去解決啦 |
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希望你們也能夠提出你們的版本來這樣你們覺得如何?可不可以? |
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報告委員 我們需要比較多的時間來處理對啊對啊 我說時間要多一點啦施設多元啦 剛委員的提案的部分我想要跟委員報告一下我們目前警政機關在處理所謂的書面告誡因為它門檻比較低其實是很快就出去但是相對的也會出現困擾已經有行為人就是加害人就書面告誡的性質提出憲法訴訟案 |
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要求我們要設計法院的救濟程序否則也會影響他的權益也就是說我們提書面告誡很快大部分人希望說趕快解決問題可是加拿大人覺得說我就不是啊但是我們這樣子的一個提書面告誡的時候沒有其他的處罰規定已經可以降低九成那如果我們再把他所說的要提這個憲法訴訟的部分再加進去的話這個九成會繼續下降 |
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所以這就是我們為難的地方那目前為止呢當然有修法的空間譬如說我們警員的教育他是什麼法律適用要再加強或者是其他的我們跟法務部跟衛福部跟司法院要怎麼做連結跟數位部做連結快速可以處理這一塊我們會來做其他的監禁措施但是很匆忙上路只修短暫的一個部分把性跟性別刪掉的話整部跟騷法大概就沒有辦法完全處理這一塊 |
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政府也能夠多多考量所以我的意思是說給你們多一點時間然後去全面去 我們不急著一兩個月之內把它修給你們多一點時間讓你們提出你們的版本那我最後一個不能講說基層的遠景怎麼樣我跟你講我們如果把它範例我們立法立好的話人家就好執行了 |
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這個日新月異的東西不能所有的東西都是基層員緊扛這一點我要替他們講話謝謝 |