| IVOD_ID |
170289 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170289 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-15,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-06T09:19:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-06T09:28:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09e0feae5cc9a38a56d71792ca612838053ee76114b5cdb66f57b09da713bd627ddab3ead9da41ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林月琴 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:19:13 - 09:28:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-06T08:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員林月琴等21人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王育敏等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法部分條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員羅明才等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員蘇清泉等29人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第十二條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員廖先翔等22人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第三條、第四條及第九條條文修正草案」案。九、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第二條、第五條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳瑩等19人擬具「跟蹤騷擾防制法第五條條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】
【7月6日、7月8日、兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩有請我們的部長我們先來看一個具體的例子有一名夜性的男子多次挑A女下班時間到他工作的地方等他甚至一路尾隨回家他還把機車放在A的旁邊 |
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多次撫摸他的機車坐墊那部長我認為等他下班尾隨回家及撫摸機車的坐墊就是跟騷可是而且這是社會通念可是一審法官判定無罪然後雖然檢察官跟二審法官都認定是符合跟騷法那這也代表符合社會通念的案件可是在司法的見解上差異極大現在第一線的困難就是或性別相關到底怎麼認定標準不清楚所以部長 |
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在跟騷案件當中類似上訴的案件就您能掌握的因為性跟性別相關的認定標準不一導致法律見解跟被受害者感受的落差這種狀況你知道嗎報告委員我想我們不宜針對個案來做處理我把它通案化所以我是不是請警政署還有請委員是不是可以請司法院的代表機關的人來回應剛剛委員的提問好 |
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現在這個顯然看起來就是說這個行為人也就是要跟著這個行為人第一個就是他有重複多次的這個狀況那這個今天如果這個被跟著被害人他今天就是說他迴反他的意願那這個行為人有多次這個行為他心裡又感情畏懼這個就是跟 |
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因為我去年底召開更燒法的修法的公聽會的時候就已經要求警政署要召集法務部司法院針對性與性別相關要件提出一致的解釋 |
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也要透過教育訓練跟委外研究全面盤點實務問題可是我要先問清楚因為那時候你們也承諾事實上是要做研究第一個我也要問研究到底現在執行的狀況是什麼到哪裡了是不是本來是六月底 |
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要結案的那現研究案到底那個時間點是什麼還有研究案完成之前要修法落實的話可是現在正在發生的案件第一線警員到底要依什麼標準來受理判斷跟處理內政部有沒有一個先提出來暫行指引案例說明或教育訓練的更新有沒有跟法務部司法院先做討論一致性的那樣的標準到底在哪邊署長 |
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除了說我們15單位以外 包括學術單位 中正大學跟警察大學我們大概7月份左右 整個的資料 各種要件都會出來那現行如果研究還沒出來的時候 到底要依什麼標準 |
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那這個現在的標準是更燒的這些過程要件剛剛我所提的第一個東勢仁報案圍繞他的醫院我們發現大概有兩次以上的這種情形反覆那心理有畏懼那這個的狀況大概就是所以原件都知道嗎 |
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應該都會知道所以這個部分我們在教育訓練大概都是對於這個初判的過程要見我們不會讓它落盡對於未來研究案能夠落實的要求就是我認為關鍵事實上是保護的缺口跟燒行為不是小事 |
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你看研究也指出25%到35%跟騷案件最終發展成身體暴力然後76%呢遭親密伴侶呢殺害的女性呢生前事實上是遭受過跟騷的那所以我想問一下就是說這四年來明明有跟蹤守候尾隨連續那個騷擾可是最後就是不符合性與性別相關要件的案件 |
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所以這些到底有哪些樣態我想這個樣態應該是非常多這個應該是要從實務不管是在我們警察機關移送到地檢署甚至到法院這個結果所以我們不會讓他落街就是我們的案件來之後我們判斷這個就是跟性與性別有關我們就是會做這個核發書面的這個告誡 |
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可是現在你在實務上這些案件都是用社會法第89條還是刑法的強制跟防害自由處理如果社會有89條這個不應該是只有第一次啦第一次 就是說他的跟騷沒有跟性與性賠沒有關係所以這比例有多少 所以是不是麻煩會後是不是可以提供相關的因為我認為跟騷法最重要的發揮是預防介入的功能盡可能讓大部分跟騷受害人都可以 |
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及時啟動宿命告誡保護令的措施避免釀成更嚴重的傷害國外的做法也是這樣子所以我希望這邊是不是具體的承諾部長這邊能不能7月份產出的研究案不是只有文獻整理更不能完成後放在抽屜我覺得研究完成之後 |
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內政部立刻提供給我們本辦還有在一個月內邀集我們的婦女團體被害人保護團體第一線員警共同研議能不能做到部長這邊好那跟委員報告就是說我們是對於食物機關的相關聯繫跟委外的這個我們7月份那把這樣的這個指引把它把它做一個更明確的一個這樣的一個指引好再麻煩因為我覺得除了根梢案件以外最近 |
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連鎖醫美診所的整間的偷拍事件也引起社會非常大的一個震撼所以如果今天事實上是性影像的受害人我要先向警方報案然後配合偵查影像流通到網路我要向衛福部申請協助下架然後我需要心理支持我要找不同的單位那想問明明同一個案件為什麼要重複一直不斷 |
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委員如果說有類似這一個我們大概都站立創國會跟其他部會會去做會議 因為韓國的數位性比較像性侮辱罪我們這些警察知道了他要下架我們大概就會給衛務部對性侮辱罪會去做下架不用他再要到跟衛務部去報案啦 |
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韓國的數位性犯罪被害人支援中心他除了協助性影像下架他把案件的管理 平台的聯繫法律的協助跟心理支持的都整合起來所以未來是不是可以朝向這樣子走 |
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對 那牽涉到如果當事人對於性影像部我們知道了要對於這個當事人說要求下架我們馬上會聯繫六部會做下架的這樣的一個最後一個就是說我們的兒少的性影像我們也一直很關心是你們已經有數位監視資料庫了那也透過轉為雜咒值以匿名方式來比對同一個影像 |
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那我們也覺得這事實上是當初也是我在法裡面有要求的所以我不知道內政部有沒有評估過將那個性影像的數位鑑識資料擴及到成人因為有些成人也是被迫不得已去委員這個部分因為是在衛福部這個已經衛福部依據這個性侵害防治法裡面 |
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就有已經在 姓李上司在衛福部已經有成立了這個可能會製作重點 怎麼來做精進啊這個在衛福部這邊已經有成立的這個東西了是不是可以去做 考慮跟衛福部去做溝通不好意思主席再給我一點時間 因為這個很重要 |
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部長我也聽過第一線員警反應因為擔心證據遺失有時候會先把性影像存在自己辦案的電腦裡邊這樣做恐怕有那個資安的疑慮也可能增加性影像外流的一個風險為不現在就有性影像處理中心會協助被害人保全證據下架移除那法律 |
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法院的卷宗也有保存的年限期限內也會去銷毀有法定的程序想問一下為什麼第一線還是會把新影像存在個人的電腦的這種狀況是警政署對於新影像那個證物呢還沒有整個明確的流程嗎還是流程有了沒有落實到第一線我們有流程了就是依照兒少信報的這個處理中心大概形式有這個那我們的同仁承辦就會上傳到 |
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你們有很明確的規定說不能夠存在個人電腦如果可以的話條件不實的話那不可以的話那當然啦你的證據上傳之後你的頭顱那邊就不能保存你的那個東西啦因為我們很怕這個東西是透過某一個法定的人士他拿到他好像目前看起來合法最後是傳出去那是違法的這頭顱這樣是違法的啊是啊可是如果拿到你最後查所以我們有一定的SOP他上傳之後他自己不能留底啊 |
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那邊就不能留了所以另外一個我就要問有沒有定期查核確認性影像不會留存在遠景個人電腦隨身碟外接硬碟或其他設備當中查核頻率查核方式是什麼每個月都會查核再麻煩我們多加來保護我們的受害謝謝 |