| IVOD_ID |
170257 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170257 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T11:40:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T11:56:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cc5c88b044d5f1e099e05d7c7b431f16c206a561727bd8a322fd377cd8fd89fd1027fd842694b5725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:27 - 11:56:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四十條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員陳秀寳等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員林月琴等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員王育敏等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「菸害防制法增訂第七條之一條文草案」案。
十、委員邱若華等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員陳超明等31人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十二條及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林倩綺等22人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員陳菁徽等21人擬具「菸害防制法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員林思銘等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答】【第十二至十七案，如經復議則不予審查】） |
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謝謝主席,有請部長有請市部長 |
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好 林委員好部長好 部長我在5月28日就在這裡我們委員會有提醒一坨米子以及這個電子煙造成的危害衛務部要趕快來重視是部長知道吧有有你真的知道你真的知道知道知道所以我們趕快就把這個修法趕快那天不是你備選的那天不是你備選那天不是我備選的對啊所以你怎麼會知道好 |
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應該都會講啊 最近這個事件也是鬧得婦孺皆知的吧我要感謝召委今天排審這個菸菜縫事法然後我們也希望用最快的速度來因應現在這個層出不窮的喪屍煙彈的問題要正式進入這個主題前 本席要提供幾個訊息給部長還有在座的官員做參考 |
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這個是報道者的一個報導這個新鮮毒品新型的菸品雙重奏像是煙彈如何侵蝕年輕的世代當一台員警攔著一台轎車發現車內就放著一支電子煙跟一顆煙彈那員警就問這個電子煙是誰的那會駕駛的女乘客大方承認就是我的啊然後員警就說電子煙現在不能抽你知道裡面有什麼成分嗎 |
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就一般水果味啊他也不畏懼啊 警察盤查那原警就把這個煙彈剪破進行快篩不到幾分鐘那伊多米斯快篩設計呈現陽性這個女乘客才當場嚇哭出來怎麼可能我沒有欸這真的是一般的電子煙 |
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這個報導部長還是署長有看過嗎?沒有?沒關係,好那你在看公共電視為青少年打造一個實施議題性的節目這個青春花園人講了,他講說怎樣?這一集幾乎在關於電子煙的專題直接訪問到目前在使用電子煙甚至已接觸過喪失煙彈的青少年了解他們整個接觸的過程 |
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可能突然賣你很便宜或是突然送你說我這些這個煙彈覺得不好抽就送給你抽那你就會覺得為什麼他的煙彈抽了之後他覺得他煙彈會比較好抽然後就會再去跟他買然後他又提高價錢來賣給你對他們來講都不知道自己已經抽到毒品不知道喔好 再來 |
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這個也是公司的青春懷念只是想吸一口然後他說你如果真的抽麻醉煙彈的話可能滑得比較重反而政府比較沒有在管正常的煙彈這三則我不曉得部長跟學長有沒有看過還是各位官員有沒有看過 |
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我沒有看過您提的這幾個不過這確實我們要再強化宣導現在的電子菸就是違法很多的毒品是混在這個菸油液在裡面不好意思我要插一句話宣導來不及了再宣下去就倒了 |
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112年1月三土通過在這邊最後到院會通過延誕王治法同年3月22日就實施實行三年多了關鍵的就是全面禁止電子菸製造輸入、販賣、供應、展示、廣告及使用然後我們從青少年口中講這句話反而政府比較沒有在管正常的延誕 |
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我等一下再提供一個數據再給部長、署長做參考所以當我們一個法律修訂完之後已經執行三年的然後從台灣的青少年口中講說反而政府比較沒有在管正常的煙彈就政策執行上其實是很嚴重的出現的問題了啦然後就從報告者的案例來講這個 |
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這個青春花園中的採訪我們可以清楚了解到電子菸的主機與依托米子是深度的板定了板定了啦,已經板定了然後很多民眾、親善人覺得使用電子菸是沒關係無所謂,抓到頂多行政划款但上次菸代的兜售 |
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其實大家都很清楚,他是在不知不覺,連當事人都不知道是毒品的狀況下,讓使用者上癮。所以我想說,我們這次要去因應毒價,行政院提出很多,包含刑法、刑事訴訟法、盜交、逃離、毒品危害防治法以及冤枉防治法的修法版本當中,我想這個冤枉防治法基本上還是重中之重。 |
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就前端的防治嘛然後我們針對新興的毒品一端民脂在前端是不是就進行防治我們這個委員會覺得是關鍵的那衛福部提出來的相關的修正的草案也覺得是關鍵中的關鍵然後你看喔如果說我們這次修完之後民間的反應還是依然政府對抽喪屍煙彈罰款很重 |
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但對一般的煙彈沒有在管白修了我們要達到防治獨駕上路防止青少年接觸到異端民主基本上如果修法是這個結論那就是不可能了但是你看我們現在來討論一下這次修法行政院的簡報檔 |
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它上面是怎麼呈現的所以我想部長、署長很清楚嘛在電子菸的分級處罰制度的草案裡面我們大致上分這樣嘛行法一級叫重大違法行法二級叫一般違法然後行政法就是輕微的違規嘛然後我不曉得行政院跟衛福部所謂的輕微的違規是指什麼是指哪些啦 輕微的違規 |
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主要是針對這個持有的部分持有使用的部分個人的行為的部分我們是放在行政法但是如果是整個生產鏈產製鏈從製造到販賣這個展示那麼我們就會比較重它會把它列入到刑法裡頭 |
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我們現在就要講這個輕微違規啦我再跟部長蘇蘭提醒一下剛剛我特別講說電子煙已經跟伊多米子有深度的判定嘛對不對所以你吸食電子煙就有高的機會機率會接觸到喪屍煙彈在不知不覺中嘛它就成癮了嘛那我們後端的處理就真的 |
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真的是會非常非常的辛苦嘛然後如果這樣行政院跟衛部還覺得他是一個屬於輕微違規的一個樣態我覺得前段的防治是會破功的這是第一點啦 |
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而且你覺得罰款3到10萬有效嗎跟委員說明雖然對於個人的持有使用部分我們是行政法但是如果他所使用的電子菸裡面的菸有煙彈是毒品的話像這個依托民子它現在是一級毒品它還是會回到這個毒品防治條例那邊會重罰的那個都是刑事的 |
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我知道我知道但是我依據國健署的統計這是你們的資料近三年來各縣市衛生署稽查電子菸成案的違規案例僅3720件平均每天不到4件如果扣除違規、換售、吸食吸這個電子菸當場取締人數平均下來每天可能只有1到2人 |
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然後民間的推估我跟部長在提醒民間的推估在2019年我現在拿不到更新的數據他推估全國在吸食電子菸的將近高達120萬人這是比較久的資料 |
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那這個也是在煙膽防治法這個通過之前的資料事後你們有沒有推估什麼資料因為我們目前找到就是國健署在2025對未成年及青少年的推估啦有在這個吸食電子煙的4萬多人嘛對不對就這樣嘛就這樣嘛好 那4萬多人會因為吸食電子煙然後會接觸到這個上市的煙彈 |
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的比例有多高你們有數據嗎 |
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目前還沒有這樣確切的數據不過也跟委員說明過去因為我們只對實用也就是現行犯才有辦法取締查核那麼對持有因為沒有所以我們開罰的件數會偏低就是他沒有正在使用的話我們就沒有辦法開出罰單那未來我們把這個持有也納入處分的情境的話那麼應該也可以提高 |
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我們目前持有不罰嘛所以我們雖然有查查到他沒有在使用只是持有那我們就沒有辦法開罰所以開罰的件數是偏低的那未來如果持有修法之後持有就會開罰的話呢那這個查處的這個效果會比較好這邊提供一個一個我也想了解情況 |
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現在實際社會查緝的狀況真的是,社會部長可能要展現魄力了,要磊立風雄了然後我們現在針對校園,就教育部的部分這三年間小朋友躲避師長查緝電子業的花菜也很多這教育部一定非常清楚嘛何況未成年如果被抓到持有稀釋,那到底要罰誰?到底要罰誰3到10萬? |
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這個跟委員說明因為在行政法法裡面會規範在14歲以下是免罰啦所以我們是末路然後會搭配這個教育部他有一個處理的計畫那麼他會對這個學生進行一些輔導行為的一些矯正大概是用這樣的方式10歲以下免罰 14歲以上 |
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14歲到18歲就是在成年之前他是減輕期刑但是最低也是要有差不多一半的這個罰款對不對要罰誰當然就是罰他法定代理因為他是未成年人嘛所以他是法定代理所以爸爸媽媽被罰那小朋友繼續犧牲他也一樣會被納入這個輔導對象怎麼輔導 |
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你怎麼胡搗嘛14歲以下怎麼胡搗你18歲以下到14歲又怎麼胡搗嘛 |
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跟委員報告 我們輔導的部分的話就是你靠近麥克風好不好 對不起會透過那個校內的這個輔導機制然後也會給諮詢 就是威福部這邊也都有提供相關的諮詢你能不能跟我們委員會做一個報告你們就講 講三年就好啦有輔導 有吸食到這種像是煙彈的這樣的案例 全國各校 |
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比例那個人數多多因為我們這三年我們查獲了之後是移給這個地方的衛生單位去查處那至於他是不是上市醫院大部分不會通報我們這邊會在衛福部這邊還有相關資料那半年的護島是護島什麼 |
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我們針對這個孩子使用這個電子護照我先請教妳輔導的人數啦這三年輔導人數的話我們只要有查獲的話就是查獲次數就是這個次數的頭頭這樣子頭頭多少嘛 大約啦就是以去年為主大概1300多件這樣子去年到現在1300多件 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
776.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
796.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
今年的話是一千多件今年是一千多件,去年呢?一整年因為我剛好數字剛好沒拿,一千三百多,會後可不可以再補?可以,沒關係,你記得起來就回覆我嘛,對不對?但是你看喔,這個青春的花園,就告訴大家政府是沒有在管的反而政府比較沒有在管,正常的煙彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
806.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
819.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這個時間關係就再比例下去我覺得問題的癥結我們會看到然後也看到我們行政機關不管是衛務部不管是交通部從衛生院在校園的很多的面向我還是講前端 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
822.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
844.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
簡單來說還是希望部長跟署長這邊看應該我們怎麼來做這個處理啦不然我覺得這次修法如果修到最後還是講說我們政府比較沒有在管正常的煙彈那這兩個東西已經綁定了那如果還讓我們的親善的朋友一直以為這樣社會大眾也一直以為這樣那我們在這邊做任何的法律的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
845.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
868.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
其實都是突然的我是希望不要發生這個狀況是不是請部長一周內好不好好針對我講的問題能不能提出來給大家再做一個思考最後一點 黑主席我昨天有去參加優化早期肺癌治療的佈局記者會這邊要特別表達部長並我團體是希望透過這樣的一個發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
869.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
883.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
衛生部可以再合力的調整健保資源的配置主要是透過有效的資源運用降低肺癌的腹花然後也重申醫療住院以及長期照護所延伸的醫療成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
886.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
908.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
同時也是希望可以提升病友、重圍家庭甚至可以有重圍職場的這個機會我想這個也是那總統的一個政見那也是部長你的一個政策但是奇怪今年已經過半了我們這個癌症的診療基金到今年為止沒有收載任何診療沒有這個部長知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
914.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
941.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我也是因為委員在關切我才了解到他今年的進度怎麼這麼慢我會來加強對健保的督導對啦,特別拜託部長好不好我想這個過程你都非常清楚而且你也非常的積極的在處理這些事情怎麼已經過半年了這個愛心新料既然沒有收窄任何一個新料這絕對這到底是什麼地方有障礙還是有什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
942.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
946.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我不曉得嘛,所以請部長能夠多多了解好,我要了解之後跟委員報告好,謝謝 |