| IVOD_ID |
170241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170241 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T12:07:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T12:21:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9acc7854f06034fc5b97b53ee9065a0b1b4b65eee6cffed319e0829630984fb1b6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:41 - 12:21:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議（變更議程）（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、海洋委員會海巡署、大陸委員會報告「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因應作為」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請這個陸委會的副主委請副主委陸委會省副主委簡單的問題請你簡單回答 |
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按照現在的氛圍 你看對台東的世家將鳳梨喊打喊殺然後對兩岸的交流喊打喊殺是不是現在選舉到了有人告訴我 那你聽我講完 我都還沒講完在選舉期間 最好不要去大陸 這句話對嗎 |
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在選舉期間最好不要不要去大陸不是只有選舉期間只要風險持續升高的時候最好都不要去非必要那你乾脆我們就行政命令行政命令下個令從此不接觸不就好了 |
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這個現在至愛難行這奇怪 這兩個的矛盾叫大家都不要去你剛才用白話文章就是說最好都不要去因為老共的活動都是統戰我這樣說對不對不完全 對這奇怪 |
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所以你剛才話前後矛盾啊你說沒有選舉的時候選舉的時候不是只有選舉的時候不要去選舉的時候都不要去不是只有選舉然後也非必要當然還是有必要的時候非必要的時候盡量不要去 |
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對 非必要盡量不要去那這樣子喔 陸委會可以踩掉了啦陸委會你看你的宗旨就是促進兩岸交流 對不對你們現在陸委會就是跟對岸吵架委員會就是這樣 你看就笑得同意我們是因應 笑不是同意啦笑不是同意委員我覺得還是要稍微說明一下不要說明 來 因為我時間有限啊來 這個 這個這個次長啊 |
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我知道你政治正確啦只要大陸的活動就是統戰什麼的統戰 最好不要去選舉選舉的話這是陸委員的意見不是陸委會的意見違反這個反滲透法這不是陸委會的意見這不是陸委會也不是本人的意見 |
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你剛才就這樣講並沒有並沒有我覺得國會殿堂是一個公開的殿堂對我剛剛不是問你說選舉期間不要去嗎所有時間都是只要風險在只要風險在非必要請入選完什麼叫風險在國人賦入的風險什麼叫風險 |
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有可能隨時被關押或是隨時被關押比如說今天我們公佈出來的案例到今天為止又比上個月增加了十幾例所以包含像是宗教特定宗教人士特定的這個背景的人士他如果非必要然後擅自前往這已經不是什麼一貫道的團體有去啊對沒錯所以我們上個月又增加了三例有沒有人被抓有幾個到目前來講據陸委會已經掌握到的資料是23例總共他們幾個人 |
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總共一貫到嗎我們去的人多少這我不知道因為現在我們這個是自由民主國家所以要賦入尤其是他如果真的要去旅遊我們沒有辦法掌握我們國人去的人數 |
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這個你請問矛盾啦 反正勞工活動就是統戰啦 都忘記對自己的信心這不是我講的 那個副主委啊 他要統戰我們 我們也可以統戰他們啦讓他信奉台灣的民主自由 我們要讓他知道台灣的民主自由多可貴好 你請回 我們請那個外交部的陳執總好不好 |
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現在台灣的GDP一直成長其實經濟來講台灣是表現相當亮麗但是台灣人的maturity大家最不滿意的最希望得到的是國際空間那現在舉例來講 |
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這個I care 國家部沒幫什麼忙啊WHA也沒辦法去啊公規部 林部長都說我贊就我贊喔實質 實質不像韓院長說的啊喜歡跟台灣戀愛 不該不要跟台灣結婚這不通啦 想辦法跟台灣結個婚嘛 對不對那你說我們正式綁架有困難 要最少國際組織I care有沒有辦法進去 對不對 |
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IKEA我們也透過包括主席國加拿大包括其他的理念相應國家不斷的在努力但是都沒有結果啊沒有結果,最重要的原因是因為老共聯合國會的他打壓這幾次也都在打壓啦INTERPOL也沒機會這也都在努力之中在努力,什麼時候會有成果 |
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那個好消息一定會跟委員提早報告目前都沒有在今年底前也沒有什麼都沒有來來來我就問你一個讓你有機會發揮的是年底在中國大陸深圳舉辦的WTO我們可以進去嗎 |
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您是說APEC嗎?現在我們當然都是以去會規劃那麼中國也承諾那麼他會讓我們這個按照這個APEC的成立的憲章來那個對我們的這個按照慣例按照他的相關的這個規定讓我們也是正向的期待我們是用APEC是用Chinese Taipei |
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我們用Chinese Taipei對這個他也講這是他的一中原則你要認真計較的話連這個都不應該去我想中國在全世界他在一中原則CNY他所希望推動的是China Taipei不是Chinese TaipeiChinese Taipei其實對中國來說那你講一個喔亞洲開發銀行用什麼名稱進去的 |
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這個我要問一下我們的國主的這個...喔! |
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國主你! |
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叫做台北康瑪恰納我們是創始國 我們是創始國我們的名稱被創改為台北康瑪恰納然後我們都登天 繼續去不要懷疑啦 我跟你講事實啦 就是這樣 |
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所以這個要看努力結果,不努力也不結果最後請一下今天的主角,請部長好不好,顧部長我時間已經到了,很快就把這問題講完 |
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這個現在題目今天的主席英明拍這個題目說中國傳播常態化對什麼什麼五國海域的因應作為等等的請問當然就先把台灣就變成內海化就你的了解工部掌握的資料現況達到它的所謂內海化的百分之多少 |
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我想中國的內海化是他的一個企圖嘛那我們針對這個內海化的這個企圖要加以對應那所以要進行反制那我們跟海巡合作就我們國軍的任務上面來進行反制那另外也要向世界來進行溝通那世界民主國家也會來進行自由航行 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
453.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
477.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
海巡在那裡獲得的時候請問你什麼時候海軍可以現身您說哪一塊最近來東岸不是常常來東岸嗎海巡在處理但是萬一因為他們隊伍比我們大太多了什麼時候海軍要出動什麼時候海警的部分原則上是由海巡來應對但是海軍會根據資源協議來進行支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
480.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
505.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
什麼情況我們沒有聽懂我想這些情況的部分就是各種的應變的狀況的一個處置如果我們覺得他需要支援的我們根據支援的協議來進行有沒有可能今天的因為配合你你們要推出一個無人機加拿大都支持無人機有沒有可能用無人機把它驅離讓他不要靠近我們的20海浬有沒有可能無人機的驅離無人機驅離他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
510.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
524.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
無人機驅離海上的艦艇這個方法我還沒想到委員可以指教一下怎麼樣用無人機來驅離海上的艦艇這個要不然我們發展無人機無人機會協助我們進行監控我們的眾生一直被減少台灣快要被內海化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
534.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
545.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
所以我們海巡海巡跟海軍都非常辛苦每一條船都要並航監控我們當然你發現其他5G都來啊現在來講的話你們提了一個這個兩千一百億國民黨團幫你加到兩千四民眾黨是沒有上線你你有沒有money and happy啊蔡黑黨對你這麼好給你增加這麼多錢你沒有money and happy沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
564.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
581.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
沒有委員如果再問是問國民黨版本還是民眾黨版本沒有沒有沒有我講金額不然講什麼就是金額民眾黨版本好像沒有金額沒有他就是沒有上線啊你要多少都給你啊沒有沒有我看半天他的他沒有他沒有上線他沒有這樣不是沒有上線他沒有這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
613.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
最少國民黨的版本是要拉到年度預算啊國民黨給你編成2400億多300億多17%你沒有Morning Happy嗎那個委員他說要行政院要編這400億的預算然後再送回到立法院按照年度預算進行審議當然要按照年度預算啊否則監督力道就解鎖了賴委員的意思是說就這400億的預算都不會把它刪減照案通過什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
616.086 |
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631.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
因為國民黨的版本是說我們每年要提400億的無人載機的相關預算送到立法院來嘛那他說這樣子財源就會穩定嘛那我只是反問說那國民黨委員在碰到我們400億提出來的時候他是不是一毛不刪 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
633.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
636.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
不會一毛不刪啦 不會一毛不刪你不應該反思型啦你不應該反思型但是我願意跟你回答刪的不會很多啦刪的幾乎幾乎不會刪啦賴委員的這個意願會登錄在立法院公報上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
648.877 |
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656.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
您為支持這個預算刪的...刪的很少啦 都已經提這樣子的 刪的很少所以我才覺得說 部長啊 你不能胃口這麼大這個... 這麼便宜還賣官 多了300億是國民黨的版本提出所以叫我們每年編400億啊 又不是我寫的是國民黨的版本寫的啊多了300億 我問你高不高興 結果你不高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
673.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
674.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
不是 我是問說那這個預算送進來賴委員會不會把他刪我跟你講 刪你什麼都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
685.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
710.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
三橫掃變成三橫斗白金啦後面一個人接棒的對不對所以我要跟你講的三橫掃的前提就是你做到巨石以邊你做到Total Transparency就透明化你沒有圖利特定的無人機的廠商這些你遵循政府採購法這些123123統統加進來我就算人少 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
713.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
739.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
如果我們看到的你這裡面怎麼搞的就是給那幾家就是給那幾家對不起那一定是大看特看這是絕對的所以我要跟你講的我要跟你講的其實我更在意的是我們的無人機的技術升級這一方面其實非常重要這個會到經濟部去審經濟委員會我提了個案子怎麼讓我們的無人機的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
741.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
747.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
大幅提升目前來講我們在賣我們講得很好啊所以這個東西你這是頂面賽這個是井上天花我們去年五年級的產值129億是前年的2.5倍還多然後我們政府也推出一個440幾億440幾億補助啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
766.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
781.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
已經在補助了 結果你現在又來這個東西所以當然要回歸到年度預算年度預算跟特別預算最大區別在哪裡年度預算監督力道比較高它的法規規定非常嚴格特別預算來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
783.166 |
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797.114 |
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老實講 那個監督力道 鬆的太多這個就是為什麼 我們堅持要你補償我們的特別條例通過要送特別預算每個案子也是要送進來給委員審議啊也要委員會通過才 然後還要大院通過啊 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:42.273000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-01T12:07:44.256000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:44.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-01T12:07:48.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請陸委會沈副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:49.263000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-01T12:07:49.603000+08:00 |
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請副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:51.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-01T12:07:51.726000+08:00 |
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副主委，我簡單的問題，請你簡單回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:51.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-01T12:07:58.537000+08:00 |
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是，委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-01T12:07:58.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:09.222000+08:00 |
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按照現在的氛圍，你看對臺東的釋迦鳳梨喊打喊殺，然後對兩岸的交流喊打喊殺，是不是現在選舉到了，有人告訴我在選舉期間最好不要去大陸，這句話對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:16.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:17.730000+08:00 |
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在選舉期間最好不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:18.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:19.232000+08:00 |
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不要去大陸。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:19.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:22.598000+08:00 |
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不是只有選舉期間，只要風險持續升高的時候，最好都不要去。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:22.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:23.598000+08:00 |
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都不要去，都不要去？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:23.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:23.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
非必要。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:24.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:27.627000+08:00 |
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那你乾脆給我們一個行政命令，就行政命令下個令，從此不接觸不就好了？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:27.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:32.291000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:32.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:32.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
這個現在窒礙難行啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:32.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:42.179000+08:00 |
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這更奇怪，這兩個就矛盾，叫大家都不要去，你剛才用白話文就是說最好都不要去，因為老共的活動都是統戰，我這樣講對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:42.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:42.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
不完全對。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:42.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:50.487000+08:00 |
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很奇怪，那你剛才話是前後矛盾啊！ |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:50.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:51.487000+08:00 |
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並沒有矛盾。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:50.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:51.628000+08:00 |
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你說不是只有選舉時候不要去，最好都不要去。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:51.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:52.690000+08:00 |
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不是只有選舉，然後也非必要，當然還是有必要的時候啦！ |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-07-01T12:08:52.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-07-01T12:08:53.030000+08:00 |
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非必要的時候，儘量不要去？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:03.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:04.266000+08:00 |
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對，非必要儘量不要去。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:04.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:06.367000+08:00 |
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這樣子陸委會可以裁掉了啦！ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:07.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:12.110000+08:00 |
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你看陸委會的宗旨，就是促進兩岸交流對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:12.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:16.493000+08:00 |
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你們現在陸委會就是跟對岸吵架委員會，就是這樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:16.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:17.633000+08:00 |
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你看你笑著同意啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:17.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:21.115000+08:00 |
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我笑不是同意啦，笑不是同意，委員。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:21.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:22.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
喔，不是同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:21.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:22.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我覺得還是要稍微說明一下，我們現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:22.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:23.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
不用說明，因為我時間有限。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:29.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:36.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我知道你政治正確啦，只要大陸的活動就是統戰，統戰最好不要去，選舉期間去的話，違反反滲透法…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:36.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:39.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
這是委員的意見，不是我也不是陸委會的意見，這個不是陸委會的意見，也不是本人的意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:45.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:47.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你剛才就這樣講。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:47.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:47.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
並沒有、並沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:47.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:49.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
不是，你剛剛…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:49.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:50.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我覺得國會殿堂是一個公開的…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:51.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:53.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我剛剛不是問你，說選舉期間不要去嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:54.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:58.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
所有時間都是，只要風險在，只要風險在，非必要…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:58.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-01T12:09:59.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
什麼叫風險在？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-01T12:09:59.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:00.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
國人赴陸的風險。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:00.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:01.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
什麼叫風險？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:02.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:04.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
有可能隨時被關押，或者是…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:04.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:05.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
隨時被關押？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:05.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:10.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
比如以我們公布出來的案例，到今天為止，又比上個月增加了十幾例。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:11.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:17.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以包含像是特定宗教人士、特定背景的人士，他如果非必要然後擅自前往…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:17.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:19.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
最近不是一貫道的團體有去？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:20.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:21.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對，沒錯，所以我們上個月又增加了3例。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:23.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:26.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
有沒有人被抓？有。幾個？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:26.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:29.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
到目前來講，據陸委會已經掌握到的資料是23例。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:30.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:30.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
他們總共幾個人？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:33.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:34.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
一貫道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:34.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:34.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們去的人多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:35.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:42.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
這我不知道，因為我們是自由民主國家，尤其是他如果真的要去旅遊，我沒有辦法掌握我們國人去的人數。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:44.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:44.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這個前後矛盾啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:44.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:46.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
反正老共的活動就是統戰啊，就不要去，對自己都沒有信心。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.542 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:46.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:47.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
這不是我說的，這不是我說的。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:47.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:48.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
副主委，他要統戰我們，我們也可以統戰他們啊，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:49.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:50.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
讓他羨慕臺灣的民主自由，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
沈副主任委員有忠 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:50.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:51.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們沒有要統戰他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:50.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:51.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們要讓他知道臺灣的民主自由有多可貴。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:51.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:51.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:51.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:52.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
請外交部陳次長。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-01T12:10:52.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-07-01T12:10:52.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-07-01T12:11:13.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-07-01T12:11:24.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
現在臺灣的GDP一直成長，其實就經濟來講，臺灣是表現相當亮麗，但是臺灣人majority最不滿意的，最希望得到的是國際貢獻。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-01T12:11:25.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-07-01T12:11:33.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我現在就舉例來講，這個ICAO外交部沒幫什麼忙，WHA也沒辦法去啊，講了老半天，你們部長都說多讚又多讚，實質就像韓院長說的，喜歡跟臺灣戀愛，不要跟臺灣結婚，這不通啦，想辦法跟臺灣結個婚嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.77 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-01T12:11:33.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-01T12:11:34.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
那你說我們政治邦交有困難，最少國際組織ICAO有沒有辦法進去？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-01T12:11:58.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:05.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
ICAO我們也通過包括主席國加拿大，包括其他的理念相近國家不斷地努力，這些理念相近國家…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.683 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:06.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:08.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
但是都沒有結果啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:10.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:13.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
沒有結果最重要的原因是因為老共聯合所謂的……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:13.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:14.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
他們打壓啊，這幾次也都在打壓。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:14.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:15.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
再請教INTERPOL有沒有機會？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:15.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:16.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
這也在努力之中。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:16.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:16.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
在努力，什麼時候會有成果？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:24.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:26.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
有好消息一定會跟委員提早報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:26.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:27.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
目前都沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-07-01T12:12:27.903000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:30.265000+08:00 |
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在今年底以前也沒有，什麼都沒有。 |
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0.929 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:30.705000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:33.187000+08:00 |
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來，我就問你一個讓你有機會發揮的。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:34.168000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:35.589000+08:00 |
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年底在中國大陸深圳舉辦的WTO，我們可以進去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:41.646000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-07-01T12:12:43.808000+08:00 |
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您說APEC嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:43.808000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:44.808000+08:00 |
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對，APEC，講錯了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:12:43.808000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:01.160000+08:00 |
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現在我們當然都是以會去為規劃，中國也承諾會讓我們按照APEC成立的憲章來對我們，按照慣例、按照相關規定，我們也是正向來期待。 |
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0.947 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:01.160000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:02.160000+08:00 |
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他care的是名稱，他准許我們用什麼名稱？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.158 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:01.601000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:04.162000+08:00 |
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APEC是用Chinese Taipei。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:09.832000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:13.874000+08:00 |
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我們用Chinese Taipei？對。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:13.874000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:18.756000+08:00 |
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他也講這是他的一中原則，你要認真計較的話，連這個都不應該去。 |
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1 |
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陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:20.237000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:30.562000+08:00 |
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我想中國在全世界，他在一中原則所希望推動的是China Taipei，不是Chinese Taipei，Chinese Taipei其實對中國來說是難以接受的。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.918 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:30.562000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:31.542000+08:00 |
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那你講一下，亞洲開發銀行用什麼名稱進去？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.944 |
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陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:36.470000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:36.851000+08:00 |
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這個我要問一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:37.111000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:40.854000+08:00 |
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來，我告訴你，是「Taipei, China」，我們是創始國，我們的名稱被篡改為「Taipei, China」，然後我們都安靜地繼續去。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.446 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:40.874000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:41.275000+08:00 |
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不要懷疑，我跟你講事實就是這樣。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:41.275000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:57.933000+08:00 |
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這個我還要確認一下。 |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:13:57.933000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:04.237000+08:00 |
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所以我們要看努力的結果，沒努力沒結果。 |
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0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:04.537000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:07.559000+08:00 |
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最後，請教今天的主角顧部長。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:07.559000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:08.199000+08:00 |
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我時間已經到了，但我很快的把這個問題講完。 |
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0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:23.806000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:40.352000+08:00 |
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今天的主席英明排這個題目「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因應作為」，他們當然先把臺灣變成內海化，請問就你的瞭解、國防部掌握的資料，現況達到他們所謂內海化的百分之多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-01T12:14:49.671000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:13.717000+08:00 |
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中國的內海化是他們的一個企圖，我們針對這個內海化的企圖要加以對應，所以要進行反制，我們跟海巡合作，就我們國軍的任務上面來進行反制，另外也要向世界來進行溝通，讓世界民主國家也會來進行自由航行，包括…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:17.118000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:19.619000+08:00 |
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請問什麼時候海軍可以現身？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:21.080000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:23.081000+08:00 |
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您說哪一塊？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:23.081000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-07-01T12:15:26.642000+08:00 |
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最近不是常常來東岸嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:26.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:27.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
東岸的部分，我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:26.642000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:33.205000+08:00 |
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海巡在處理，但是萬一……因為他們噸位比我們大太多了，什麼時候海軍要出動？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:34.006000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:38.868000+08:00 |
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海警的部分，原則上是由海巡來應對，但是海軍會根據支援協議來進行支援。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:41.788000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:42.168000+08:00 |
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什麼情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:42.168000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-07-01T12:15:43.249000+08:00 |
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我們沒有聽懂。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-07-01T12:15:43.589000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:52.716000+08:00 |
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我想這些情況就是各種應變狀況的處置，如果我們覺得需要支援的話，我們根據支援協議來進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:15:55.097000+08:00 |
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2026-07-01T12:16:06.806000+08:00 |
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因為配合你們要推出無人機，在野黨都支持，有沒有可能用無人機把它驅離，讓它不要靠近我們24浬，有沒有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:06.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:06.886000+08:00 |
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無人機的驅離…… |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:06.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:06.986000+08:00 |
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我們用無人機驅離他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:11.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:17.023000+08:00 |
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無人機驅離海上的艦艇？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:17.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:22.764000+08:00 |
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這個方法我還沒想到，委員可以指教一下，怎麼樣用無人機來驅離海上的艦艇？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:22.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:23.825000+08:00 |
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要不然我們發展無人機…… |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:23.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:24.225000+08:00 |
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無人機會協助我們進行監控。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:24.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:25.125000+08:00 |
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我們的縱深一直被減少，一直被減少，臺灣快要被內海化了，這是大家所擔憂的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.515 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:35.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:39.489000+08:00 |
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所以我們海巡跟海軍都非常辛苦，對每一條船都要併航監控。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:39.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:39.929000+08:00 |
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當然你發展其他武器都來啊，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:39.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:42.530000+08:00 |
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現在來講，你們提了2,100億，國民黨團把你加到2,400億，民眾黨是沒有上限，你有沒有more than happy啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-07-01T12:16:43.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-07-01T12:16:46.191000+08:00 |
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在野黨對你這麼好，給你增加這麼多錢，你沒有more than happy？沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:06.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:09.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
委員如果在問……你是問國民黨版本還是民眾黨版本？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:09.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:11.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
沒有、沒有，我講金額。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:12.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:13.766000+08:00 |
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金額，民眾黨版本好像沒有金額。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:14.427000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:16.890000+08:00 |
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就是沒有上限，你要多少都給你。沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-01T12:17:16.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:18.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
事實是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:18.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:19.613000+08:00 |
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我看半天，他沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:19.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:20.154000+08:00 |
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他沒有上限。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:20.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:22.156000+08:00 |
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不是沒有上限，他沒有這樣講。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:26.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:26.621000+08:00 |
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最少國民黨…… |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:27.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:29.542000+08:00 |
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國民黨的版本是要拉到年度預算啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:30.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:36.506000+08:00 |
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國民黨給你變成2,400億，多300億，多百分之十幾，你沒有more than happy嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.618 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:37.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:45.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
委員，他說行政院要編這400億的預算，然後再送回到立法院，按照年度預算進行審議。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:45.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:47.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
當然要按照年度預算啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:47.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:48.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
對、對、對，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:47.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:48.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
否則監督力道就減少了。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:49.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:54.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
賴委員的意思是說，就這400億的預算都不會把它刪減，照案通過？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:54.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-07-01T12:17:54.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
什麼東西？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-07-01T12:17:57.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:12.137000+08:00 |
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因為國民黨的版本是說我們每年要提400億無人載具的相關預算送到立法院來嘛，他說這樣子財源就會穩定，我只是反問國民黨委員在碰到我們400億提出來的時候，他是不是一毛不刪？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:14.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:15.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
這個不會一毛不刪啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:15.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:15.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
不會一毛不刪，那如何構成財源穩定？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:15.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:17.352000+08:00 |
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你不應該反質詢，但是我願意跟你回答，刪的不會很多，幾乎不會刪啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:17.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:31.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
賴委員所說應該會刊登在立法院公報上面，你都會支持這個預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:32.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:34.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
當然，刪的很少啦，都已經提這樣子了，刪的很少…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:34.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:35.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
我有聽到委員的指教。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:34.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:35.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
所以我才覺得部長你不能胃口這麼大，得了便宜還賣乖，多了300億，你還不高興？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:35.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:36.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
不是我胃口大，是國民黨的版本提出叫我們每年編400億，又不是我寫的，是國民黨的版本寫的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:36.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:37.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
多了300億，我問你高不高興，結果你不高興。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:54.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:54.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
不是，我是問這個預算送進來，賴委員會不會刪？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:54.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:55.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
我就跟你講刪很少，你聽不懂？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
翁委員曉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:55.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-07-01T12:18:56.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
他刪很少…… |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-07-01T12:18:55.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-07-01T12:19:31.618000+08:00 |
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我刪很少，別人刪很多，沒關係……我要跟你講，刪很少的前提就是你做到據實以編，你做到total透明化，你沒有圖利特定的無人機廠商，對這些你遵循政府採購法，這些你通通加進來，我就刪得很少。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.691 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-07-01T12:19:34.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-07-01T12:19:41.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
反之，如果我們看到這裡面怎麼搞的就是給那幾家，對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-07-01T12:19:42.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-07-01T12:19:46.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
一定是大砍特砍，這是絕對的。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-07-01T12:19:46.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:02.842000+08:00 |
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我要跟你講，其實我更在意的是我們無人機的技術升級，這方面其實非常重要，會到經濟委員會審查，我會提這個案子，怎麼讓我們的無人機技術大幅提升。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:03.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:03.823000+08:00 |
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目前來講，我們在賣，我們也講得很好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:03.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:31.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
所以這個東西是demand side，這個是錦上添花，我們去年無人機的產值129億，是前年的2.5倍還多，然後我們政府也推出一個四百四十幾億的補助，已經在補助了，結果你現在又來這個東西，所以當然要回歸到年度預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:32.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:35.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
年度預算跟特別預算最大區別在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:35.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:48.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
年度預算監督力道比較夠，它的法規規定非常嚴格，特別預算老實講監督力道鬆得太多，這個就是為什麼我們堅持要年度預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:49.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-07-01T12:20:58.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
報告委員，我們的特別條例通過要送特別預算，每個案子也是要送進來給委員審議，也要委員會通過，然後還要大院通過啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-07-01T12:20:58.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-07-01T12:21:00.308286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
請翁曉玲委員。 |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆：（12時7分）謝謝主席及各位先進。有請陸委會沈副主委。 |
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主席：請副主委。 |
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賴委員士葆：副主委，我簡單的問題，請你簡單回答。 |
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沈副主任委員有忠：是，委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：按照現在的氛圍，你看對臺東的釋迦鳳梨喊打喊殺，然後對兩岸的交流喊打喊殺，是不是現在選舉到了，有人告訴我在選舉期間最好不要去大陸，這句話對嗎？ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：在選舉期間最好不要…… |
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賴委員士葆：不要去大陸。 |
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沈副主任委員有忠：不是只有選舉期間，只要風險持續升高的時候，最好都不要去。 |
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賴委員士葆：都不要去，都不要去？ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：非必要。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你乾脆給我們一個行政命令，就行政命令下個令，從此不接觸不就好了？可以嗎？ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：這個現在窒礙難行啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：這更奇怪，這兩個就矛盾，叫大家都不要去，你剛才用白話文就是說最好都不要去，因為老共的活動都是統戰，我這樣講對嗎？ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：不完全對。 |
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賴委員士葆：很奇怪，那你剛才話是前後矛盾啊！ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：並沒有矛盾。 |
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賴委員士葆：你說不是只有選舉時候不要去，最好都不要去。 |
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沈副主任委員有忠：不是只有選舉，然後也非必要，當然還是有必要的時候啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：非必要的時候，儘量不要去？ |
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沈副主任委員有忠：對，非必要儘量不要去。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣子陸委會可以裁掉了啦！你看陸委會的宗旨，就是促進兩岸交流對不對？你們現在陸委會就是跟對岸吵架委員會，就是這樣啊！你看你笑著同意啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：我笑不是同意啦，笑不是同意，委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
賴委員士葆：喔，不是同意？ |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：我覺得還是要稍微說明一下，我們現在…… |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
賴委員士葆：不用說明，因為我時間有限。我知道你政治正確啦，只要大陸的活動就是統戰，統戰最好不要去，選舉期間去的話，違反反滲透法…… |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：這是委員的意見，不是我也不是陸委會的意見，這個不是陸委會的意見，也不是本人的意見。 |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
賴委員士葆：你剛才就這樣講。 |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：並沒有、並沒有！ |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
賴委員士葆：不是，你剛剛…… |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：我覺得國會殿堂是一個公開的…… |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
賴委員士葆：我剛剛不是問你，說選舉期間不要去嘛，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：所有時間都是，只要風險在，只要風險在，非必要…… |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼叫風險在？ |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：國人赴陸的風險。 |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼叫風險？ |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：有可能隨時被關押，或者是…… |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
賴委員士葆：隨時被關押？ |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：比如以我們公布出來的案例，到今天為止，又比上個月增加了十幾例。所以包含像是特定宗教人士、特定背景的人士，他如果非必要然後擅自前往…… |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
賴委員士葆：最近不是一貫道的團體有去？ |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：對，沒錯，所以我們上個月又增加了3例。 |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
賴委員士葆：有沒有人被抓？ |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：有。 |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
賴委員士葆：幾個？ |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：到目前來講，據陸委會已經掌握到的資料是23例。 |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
賴委員士葆：他們總共幾個人？ |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：一貫道嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
賴委員士葆：我們去的人多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：這我不知道，因為我們是自由民主國家，尤其是他如果真的要去旅遊，我沒有辦法掌握我們國人去的人數。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
賴委員士葆：這個前後矛盾啊！反正老共的活動就是統戰啊，就不要去，對自己都沒有信心。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：這不是我說的，這不是我說的。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
賴委員士葆：副主委，他要統戰我們，我們也可以統戰他們啊，對不對？讓他羨慕臺灣的民主自由，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
沈副主任委員有忠：我們沒有要統戰他們。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
賴委員士葆：我們要讓他知道臺灣的民主自由有多可貴。好，請回。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][1] |
請外交部陳次長。 |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
陳次長明祺：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
賴委員士葆：現在臺灣的GDP一直成長，其實就經濟來講，臺灣是表現相當亮麗，但是臺灣人majority最不滿意的，最希望得到的是國際貢獻。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
陳次長明祺：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
賴委員士葆：我現在就舉例來講，這個ICAO外交部沒幫什麼忙，WHA也沒辦法去啊，講了老半天，你們部長都說多讚又多讚，實質就像韓院長說的，喜歡跟臺灣戀愛，不要跟臺灣結婚，這不通啦，想辦法跟臺灣結個婚嘛，對不對？那你說我們政治邦交有困難，最少國際組織ICAO有沒有辦法進去？ |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
陳次長明祺：ICAO我們也通過包括主席國加拿大，包括其他的理念相近國家不斷地努力，這些理念相近國家…… |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
賴委員士葆：但是都沒有結果啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
陳次長明祺：沒有結果最重要的原因是因為老共聯合所謂的…… |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
賴委員士葆：對啊！他們打壓啊，這幾次也都在打壓。再請教INTERPOL有沒有機會？ |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
陳次長明祺：這也在努力之中。 |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
賴委員士葆：在努力，什麼時候會有成果？ |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
陳次長明祺：有好消息一定會跟委員提早報告。 |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
賴委員士葆：目前都沒有？在今年底以前也沒有，什麼都沒有。來，我就問你一個讓你有機會發揮的。年底在中國大陸深圳舉辦的WTO，我們可以進去嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
陳次長明祺：您說APEC嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
賴委員士葆：對，APEC，講錯了。 |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
陳次長明祺：現在我們當然都是以會去為規劃，中國也承諾會讓我們按照APEC成立的憲章來對我們，按照慣例、按照相關規定，我們也是正向來期待。 |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
賴委員士葆：他care的是名稱，他准許我們用什麼名稱？ |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
陳次長明祺：APEC是用Chinese Taipei。 |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
賴委員士葆：我們用Chinese Taipei？ |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
陳次長明祺：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
賴委員士葆：他也講這是他的一中原則，你要認真計較的話，連這個都不應該去。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
陳次長明祺：我想中國在全世界，他在一中原則所希望推動的是China Taipei，不是Chinese Taipei，Chinese Taipei其實對中國來說是難以接受的。 |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
賴委員士葆：那你講一下，亞洲開發銀行用什麼名稱進去？ |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
陳次長明祺：這個我要問一下…… |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
賴委員士葆：來，我告訴你，是「Taipei, China」，我們是創始國，我們的名稱被篡改為「Taipei, China」，然後我們都安靜地繼續去。不要懷疑，我跟你講事實就是這樣。 |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
陳次長明祺：這個我還要確認一下。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
賴委員士葆：所以我們要看努力的結果，沒努力沒結果。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][1] |
最後，請教今天的主角顧部長。我時間已經到了，但我很快的把這個問題講完。今天的主席英明排這個題目「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因應作為」，他們當然先把臺灣變成內海化，請問就你的瞭解、國防部掌握的資料，現況達到他們所謂內海化的百分之多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
顧部長立雄：中國的內海化是他們的一個企圖，我們針對這個內海化的企圖要加以對應，所以要進行反制，我們跟海巡合作，就我們國軍的任務上面來進行反制，另外也要向世界來進行溝通，讓世界民主國家也會來進行自由航行，包括…… |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
賴委員士葆：請問什麼時候海軍可以現身？ |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
顧部長立雄：您說哪一塊？ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
賴委員士葆：最近不是常常來東岸嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
顧部長立雄：東岸的部分，我想…… |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
賴委員士葆：海巡在處理，但是萬一……因為他們噸位比我們大太多了，什麼時候海軍要出動？ |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
顧部長立雄：海警的部分，原則上是由海巡來應對，但是海軍會根據支援協議來進行支援。 |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼情況？我們沒有聽懂。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
顧部長立雄：我想這些情況就是各種應變狀況的處置，如果我們覺得需要支援的話，我們根據支援協議來進行。 |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
賴委員士葆：因為配合你們要推出無人機，在野黨都支持，有沒有可能用無人機把它驅離，讓它不要靠近我們24浬，有沒有可能？ |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
顧部長立雄：無人機的驅離…… |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
賴委員士葆：我們用無人機驅離他們。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
顧部長立雄：無人機驅離海上的艦艇？ |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
賴委員士葆：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
顧部長立雄：這個方法我還沒想到，委員可以指教一下，怎麼樣用無人機來驅離海上的艦艇？ |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
賴委員士葆：要不然我們發展無人機…… |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
顧部長立雄：無人機會協助我們進行監控。 |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
賴委員士葆：我們的縱深一直被減少，一直被減少，臺灣快要被內海化了，這是大家所擔憂的啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
顧部長立雄：所以我們海巡跟海軍都非常辛苦，對每一條船都要併航監控。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
賴委員士葆：對啊！當然你發展其他武器都來啊，對不對？現在來講，你們提了2,100億，國民黨團把你加到2,400億，民眾黨是沒有上限，你有沒有more than happy啊？在野黨對你這麼好，給你增加這麼多錢，你沒有more than happy？沒有？ |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
顧部長立雄：委員如果在問……你是問國民黨版本還是民眾黨版本？ |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
賴委員士葆：沒有、沒有，我講金額。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
顧部長立雄：金額，民眾黨版本好像沒有金額。 |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
賴委員士葆：就是沒有上限，你要多少都給你。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
顧部長立雄：沒有…… |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
賴委員士葆：事實是這樣。 |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
顧部長立雄：我看半天，他沒有…… |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
賴委員士葆：他沒有上限。 |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
顧部長立雄：不是沒有上限，他沒有這樣講。 |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
賴委員士葆：好啦！最少國民黨…… |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
顧部長立雄：國民黨的版本是要拉到年度預算啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
賴委員士葆：國民黨給你變成2,400億，多300億，多百分之十幾，你沒有more than happy嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
顧部長立雄：委員，他說行政院要編這400億的預算，然後再送回到立法院，按照年度預算進行審議。 |
| gazette.blocks[112][0] |
賴委員士葆：當然要按照年度預算啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[113][0] |
顧部長立雄：對、對、對，所以…… |
| gazette.blocks[114][0] |
賴委員士葆：否則監督力道就減少了。 |
| gazette.blocks[115][0] |
顧部長立雄：賴委員的意思是說，就這400億的預算都不會把它刪減，照案通過？ |
| gazette.blocks[116][0] |
賴委員士葆：什麼東西？ |
| gazette.blocks[117][0] |
顧部長立雄：因為國民黨的版本是說我們每年要提400億無人載具的相關預算送到立法院來嘛，他說這樣子財源就會穩定，我只是反問國民黨委員在碰到我們400億提出來的時候，他是不是一毛不刪？ |
| gazette.blocks[118][0] |
賴委員士葆：這個不會一毛不刪啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[119][0] |
顧部長立雄：不會一毛不刪，那如何構成財源穩定？ |
| gazette.blocks[120][0] |
賴委員士葆：你不應該反質詢，但是我願意跟你回答，刪的不會很多，幾乎不會刪啦。 |
| gazette.blocks[121][0] |
顧部長立雄：賴委員所說應該會刊登在立法院公報上面，你都會支持這個預算…… |
| gazette.blocks[122][0] |
賴委員士葆：當然，刪的很少啦，都已經提這樣子了，刪的很少…… |
| gazette.blocks[123][0] |
顧部長立雄：我有聽到委員的指教。 |
| gazette.blocks[124][0] |
賴委員士葆：所以我才覺得部長你不能胃口這麼大，得了便宜還賣乖，多了300億，你還不高興？ |
| gazette.blocks[125][0] |
顧部長立雄：不是我胃口大，是國民黨的版本提出叫我們每年編400億，又不是我寫的，是國民黨的版本寫的啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[126][0] |
賴委員士葆：多了300億，我問你高不高興，結果你不高興。 |
| gazette.blocks[127][0] |
顧部長立雄：不是，我是問這個預算送進來，賴委員會不會刪？ |
| gazette.blocks[128][0] |
賴委員士葆：我就跟你講刪很少，你聽不懂？ |
| gazette.blocks[129][0] |
顧部長立雄：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[130][0] |
翁委員曉玲：他刪很少…… |
| gazette.blocks[131][0] |
賴委員士葆：我刪很少，別人刪很多，沒關係……我要跟你講，刪很少的前提就是你做到據實以編，你做到total透明化，你沒有圖利特定的無人機廠商，對這些你遵循政府採購法，這些你通通加進來，我就刪得很少。反之，如果我們看到這裡面怎麼搞的就是給那幾家，對不起！一定是大砍特砍，這是絕對的。 |
| gazette.blocks[131][1] |
我要跟你講，其實我更在意的是我們無人機的技術升級，這方面其實非常重要，會到經濟委員會審查，我會提這個案子，怎麼讓我們的無人機技術大幅提升。目前來講，我們在賣，我們也講得很好啊！所以這個東西是demand side，這個是錦上添花，我們去年無人機的產值129億，是前年的2.5倍還多，然後我們政府也推出一個四百四十幾億的補助，已經在補助了，結果你現在又來這個東西，所以當然要回歸到年度預算。 |
| gazette.blocks[131][2] |
年度預算跟特別預算最大區別在哪裡？年度預算監督力道比較夠，它的法規規定非常嚴格，特別預算老實講監督力道鬆得太多，這個就是為什麼我們堅持要年度預算。 |
| gazette.blocks[132][0] |
顧部長立雄：報告委員，我們的特別條例通過要送特別預算，每個案子也是要送進來給委員審議，也要委員會通過，然後還要大院通過啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[133][0] |
主席：請翁曉玲委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
386 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-35-24 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
王安祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
313 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-01 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1155601 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1155601_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國防部、外交部、海洋委員會海巡署、大陸委員會報告「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因
應作為」，並備質詢 |
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1155601_00003 |