| IVOD_ID |
170235 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170235 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T11:47:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T11:58:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9acd6304e0a51120bb7ca9306fd69d22fc010bb06545781b11bad494a3f2fee8f525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:47:18 - 11:58:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案審查總報告（公務預算部分）草案」提報院會案。
二、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案。
三、審查本院委員吳秉叡等20人擬具「會計師法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答及處理）
四、審查本院委員吳秉叡等21人、委員李彥秀等18人分別擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之一條文修正草案」等2案。（僅詢答）
【7月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們請彭主委請金廣惠彭主委 |
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主委好 這個虛擬資產服務法昨天三讀通過嘛那三讀通過之後 這個還有九部的執法你們要訂定嘛那所以從昨天三讀通過到這個九部的執法這空窗期待有多久 |
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其實也沒有像委員講的那麼大,因為我們其實...沒有,我是問你有多久啦沒有,我們按照我們這個法制作業,我們必須要六個月之內把這個訂完最晚到年底年底,所以年底九部的執法就會訂定完那執法只要是金管會通過就可以了嗎?還要送立法院備查送立法院備查,好 |
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那這個空窗期的話那對於這些業者來講他們有什麼要去遵循的地方嗎其實現在空窗期其實沒有空窗期就按照我們現在登記制的這個規定在做還有就是我們現在的話因為主要是整個執法過程當中要需要很多社會溝通 |
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那我們基本上我們整個執法在當初立法就已經開始在做準備不是從現在才開始我們現在執法大概架構條文大概基本上都有接下來就開始要密集的召開相關的溝通會議那因為我們在這個審查這個一個虛擬資產服務法的時候其實有規定的一些資本額內控的一些制度資產系統等等門檻都比較高那這樣子會不會造成說現有的一些比較小型的交易所 |
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這個無力負擔然後呢這個被迫歇業或是說被這個比較大的這一個有可能被金融機構合併 |
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我們其實不希望這樣所以我們在那個立法過程當中大家很關切我們把那個未來的那個銜接期調整期那給一個非常合理的期間我們希望他們都能夠那個未來穩定的上路就你那時候是到兩年嗎還是就一年半在家那個一年半在家 |
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9加12加3大概兩年的時間這段時間因為我們其實上現在這些已經經過我們從原來的聲明制進入到這個登記制已經經過我們一個審核他也開始籌組工會對整個運作應該都一定的這些的制度了所以我們也期待他們多努力我們整個在相關的這些辦法裡面我們也會跟這個社會各界充分的溝通 |
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一樣,那對於這個在海外的這些平台呢?要怎麼去做落地的管理?這個我們專法通過以後是個很重要的里程碑就是說我們一個很簡單叫做國民待遇原則我們對國人怎麼規範理論上來講應該你就要按照這個相同的標準那否則產生我們這個特許產生失靈的問題就很麻煩所以我們這裡面我們會參酌其他國家 |
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過去在這個VASP落地的時候世界各國他們在過去依序的也訂定相關的門檻就是這個所謂的這些法制那這些跨國的這些的所謂的虛擬資產服務商他就必須按照各國的規定我們的規定我們現在這個虛擬資產服務法已經通過了那對於這個海外的這些幣商這些平台要怎麼去做管理 |
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對,所以我剛剛講說要用國民貸易原則,他以後要在台灣得到服務的話那有沒有一個什麼期限啊?對,這部分的話我們也期待說在這個過程當中趕快的就來跟他們做討論還有說沒有的話,我們會照參考其他國家的做法慢慢的規範化他們在台灣選擇那你有沒有一個設定的期限啊? |
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極限當然就是假設我們真的這個法律生效以後已經生效了不是嗎沒有沒有要等到執法通過這個是規定在執法裡面的對這部分他就按照這個規定所以就是半年的時間你們希望他們能夠來申請落地管理就把這個遊戲規則明確化完全就是半年的時間嘛那請教一下最近這兩個月我不曉得是不是台股交易比較熱絡 |
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那所以有一些這個券商,不論是大券商小券商,他們的這個APP系統都發生了問題那你們有沒有去做這一個管理,有沒有去做這個監察?謝謝委員,這是我們從今年應該講說我們大概規模開始擴大以後,我們就非常在意這件事情還是發生了一些事情 |
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那我也有注意到一件事情就是說我們開始強力要求他們我們請交易所開始呢其實我們一路的緊盯也希望說他們在系統能夠升級那我剛才講過就是說那要求系統升級那個是你有強制規定嗎因為現在系統很多九成以上都是委外的 |
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對不對那你怎麼要求這個系統升級呢包括你自己跟委外這個都會未來我們就是要來做一個規範我意思是說你們要做什麼規範因為好幾家出現了有大的有小的都有裁罰嗎 |
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這個都會按照規定來處理對啊 那我的意思是說你現在希望他們系統升級嘛那有一些大的他可以自己做系統升級他們也的確有在做但是我說九成以上都是委外嘛那你要要求他們是說你委外的系統要升級呢還是說他們自己內部的系統要去做升級 |
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就等於我們金融監理是這樣你要委外就等於你在做那你要為他負責當然我們會要求他一致的都要做這件事因為主要這跟我們過去因為我們同仁在管理這市場他跟我講說因為我們的券商的規模其實有大有小有些券商規模他過去相對比較小資訊能力比較弱我們也在請教一手看怎麼樣辦法來解決這個結構性的問題 |
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那怎麼去解決結果性的問題你要設一個公版嗎還是要求他們在一定的時間之內要把它升級到什麼樣的一個你們達到了一個標準其實就是工會有跟我們溝通他也提出各種的想法包括剛才委員提到公版有沒有可能當然這個部分我覺得只要能夠提升整個我們整個交易的系統的效率跟安全穩定我們都可以來研議看看因為這個 |
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因為這個問題發生到現在有兩個多月的時間了而且這個未來我不曉得是他們內部銜接的問題那還是說這個台股交易太熱然後大家要買有的想要買 買不到有的想要賣 賣不出去 |
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基本上我們從過去來看的話 倒也不會只是時間有些延遲還就是說確實那些狀況我們都會知道是什麼原因產生那比較可以那我是說你們有沒有做一個比較具體的要求這有 這我們就已經開始要來強烈要求這個我會請期局跟那個交易所他們來怎麼樣幫我們整個證券交易系統升級系統升級那總是要有個期限出來啊 |
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這我會訂好再跟委員報告你說三個月把那個規定訂出來還是怎麼樣總是要有個期限出來啊不然你現在跟我講我也不知道說你到底要怎麼去做然後系統要怎麼去做升級我想我這邊今天我必須請委員能夠體諒我沒辦法告訴你說今天是多久但是我會盡快的把這個相關的內容再跟委員做書面的說明 |
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好 那有人因為這樣去跟這個金融評議中心來做申訴嗎金融消費評議中心有嗎 有那數量大概是多少其實今天評議中心沒有來因為我們才剛剛開過那個消費者那個保護會議啦裡面我會請我們那個負責這個督導評議中心的林處長來跟委員簡單說明一下這個來這個我們這個金融消費評議中心來申訴有多少 |
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跟委員報告他申訴的案件數應該是蠻多的那因為我那天有記下單一下子沒有辦法準確的回答你蠻多是多少有上百件還是上千件那個委員你跟我說報告一下申訴是有但是評議很少因為公司都有躲上去處理所以評議案件很少申訴公司都去處理了 |
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是因為是這個有去處理還是說有去處理還是說因為我們要很多的一些比如說什麼要當機畫面要馬上截圖啊然後還要嘗試說證明說你有嘗試用其他的管道啊變成說你真的要承擔很少跟文報告好了其實確實當初發生的時候平均中心有跟我報告是說他本身勝訴案卻蠻多的但是那一天我們在開那個消費者督導匯報的時候他們平均中心有說明公司都 |
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民眾如果有事他都會主動去處理那你那個案件你查一下對 等一下就我再跟委員辦公室報告一下案件處理我意思是說到底是有去處理還是說因為你要去那個你要呈現一些證據那些證據很難呈現出來啊搞不好也是因為這樣的原因文納會後我再把數字再跟委員辦公室報告一下那印象是多少 上百我還是在公開查我還是確定說再跟辦公室報告一下那你查一下 等一下跟我說一下我再跟主任報告一下 |
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確實是因為他不會進入到評議 因為公司立刻這個事件非常明確直接就處理 因為是公司的原因所以這部分他會來申訴 申訴公司對啦 我也有說到底是有去處理還是說因為要一些證據 這些證據很難呈現出來就變成說我們評議中心可能也沒辦法去接受 |
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深數是第一線他發生有爭議的時候但是他們如果能夠處理掉就不會進入到平益我問最後一個問題那個ETF現在主動被動的這個ETF收益人現在高達1500多萬那我再請教一下主委 |
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我們現在這一個ETF的這一個因為我們有除息的一個交易日跟這個配息的發放日的時間大概都要三個禮拜這個時間有辦法再縮短嗎這個我可不可以請一下我們那個同仁因為很抱歉簡短說明 趕快做個說明有嗎對啊我只問說時間能不能縮短因為三個禮拜時間很長那很多人是靠這些配息的 |
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我們事後再就這整個配發的流程再做檢討看看還有沒有縮短的空間那我問主委有沒有縮短的空間因為三個禮拜真的蠻長的如果問我的話我都覺得說我們假設是一個有效率的市場能夠更具效率化應該就是應該是往這個方向走那就是時間可以再縮短想辦法再把時間縮短因為任何一個時間拖長都是交易成本 |
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對啊 那你們要想辦法時間再縮短做一個報告給我好不好我就請他們演繹好 謝謝李昆城委員 |