| IVOD_ID |
170206 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170206 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T10:16:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T10:26:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac746bb7d140c40de67b53ee9065a0b1b481ccc59e5c68641739431ddb69bbbff55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:31 - 10:26:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議（變更議程）（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、海洋委員會海巡署、大陸委員會報告「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因應作為」，並備質詢。） |
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請國防部顧部長陳委員部長早本席從19歲開始跟國防部的關係你不知道我就在馬祖了所以我跟國防部也好,跟軍人也好 |
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我們跟一個大家庭一樣那麼我們有什麼事,我有砍過國防部預算嗎?一毛錢都沒砍過有責難過你們嗎?也沒有跟馬防部關係根本是好的不得了我也告訴我們的縣長、議長、議員所有的鄉親這種關係那麼好好,現在一個靶場部長我請問我從112年 |
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我這靶場109年開始提議的提案的希望北竿的靶場要遷移那麼112年的3月113年的2月還有6月四次總諮詢都提北竿靶場大大小小會議11次11次那麼在行政院的總諮詢裡面 |
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跟院長、部長提過四次,到現在為止的進度是多少?部長能告訴我嗎?我要部長回答,我不要你回答你昨天回答過我了,沒什麼簡單,部長你回答我我不要你回答,下去 |
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我的了解是,我們現在是就現有的這個靶場來做那個隔音牆的一個工作靶場進度是零,零帶的零有這樣的事嗎?109到現在115年陸軍總部、國防部 |
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局長,我跟你們的關係這麼的好,沒算過你們一毛錢靶場不應該是去年就絕標?絕什麼標?部長,回去請您多關心一下好不好?我的總諮詢,日次總諮詢,月展也好,部展也好 |
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請你們拿你們的腦袋裡面好好裝點東西好不好,想一想好不好委員是停的是隔音場還是遷移的部分在我們的淡黃區把他秀出來你看看,在淡黃區我們村莊在那裡,在正中央我提了幾次你這個靶場在中正經常打靶你看怎麼樣在台北市中心打靶你看怎麼樣 |
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旁邊有衛福大樓,有運動場,有中山國中,住宅在那裡你不是要打死人才高興嗎?我提了很多次啦昨天最後一次請參謀長陸總參謀長來開會沒結果,做不了組我自己找部長來,我不要參謀長回答下一次開始我們每一次國防委會我都要出席 |
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這一次是這樣,下一次拿看板再下去找民眾來抗爭沒有這樣的道理吧對不對有這樣的道理嗎?陸總部你們在幹什麼?國防部你們在幹什麼?相關業管單位是沒有錢嗎?他編那個說多少?七億啊兩百個阿兵哥要打靶的地方要七億的靶場 |
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有這樣的笑話委員講的是指我們要遷移的部分對,要遷移,遷到豐山去豐山的土地是國產署的地,地都找好了遷移的部分,現在應該我的了解是在做地質鑽探的工程鑽探什麼?你要有案子才能鑽探?你沒有案子你鑽探什麼啊? |
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立法院在哪裡要蓋個房子,你起碼有個案子吧有個案子才賺碳吧你不能莫名其妙跑到我家來賺碳什麼要有一個地址評估的報告要有一個地址評估的報告來完成報告部長,我公務員幹了四十幾年了現場也幹了八年,立法院待了十六年了我怎麼會不清楚行政程序咧我為什麼不懂採購法咧你不要寬我,不要汙辱我啊 |
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所以地質鑽探工程應該是在之前就結標了地質鑽探已經在10月8號結標你地質鑽探了幾年了?5年了?8年了嗎?你要多久?你先回答我,這個靶場大概什麼時候可以完成? |
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我們現在完成了這個專案之後他們完成了專案之後應該是還要我當部長的話兩年之內給你完成我當部長的話你當部長多久能夠完成?我想你的效率比我好一年可以完成吧我想應該要再來做一個專家的環境評估吧,這個或許再做部長什麼時候能夠回答我? |
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我沒有急著要你跟我三年五年,你起碼一年兩年你起碼回去回答我一下吧你今天能不能回答我,能不能在什麼時間具體的告訴我你這個靶場遷移的時限可以嗎?你說遷移完成啊?對 |
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我現在可能還要再看他們後續的環境評估的結果我沒有意見,您回去起碼重視這個案子,你親自主持這樣的會議,什麼時候把它完成好,我再來追蹤你講話要當你的幕僚我再來追蹤相關的進度部長不要花一億啦,五千萬就夠了五千萬就夠了這個案子在別的地方弄一個靶場弄一個靶溝,一百公尺兩百公尺 |
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200個人的阿兵哥要多大的靶場嘛,你說嘛我上次在總諮詢你也回答過我啊你說這個靶場在蕩黃區,院長也回答啦左院長說在蕩黃區確實不太合理嘛,要搬嘛對不對一直在糊弄我一直在糊弄我不然你回答我就下台,好不好 |
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427.779 |
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你回答我,我馬上就下去,不至於我想關於有關遷移的部分,隔音牆的部分我想我們會沒有沒有,我現在不是講隔音牆那現在遷移的部分,遷移的部分完成地質評估報告以後再來做環境評估,那我會來盯緊這個進度,跟委員隨時再跟委員報告沒有環境評估的問題了啦,也沒有了啦那裡是一個山溝嘛,風山都不是問題,部長你回答我,你回答我 |
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您回去主持這個會議好不好?好,我回去會跟陸軍來我們開會來討論我希望下一次,國防委員會我再來執行部長的時候,你能夠給我一個明確的答覆可以嗎?我一個月以後再回來,再回到這個地方來問是,我回去跟陸軍會做一個討論我希望我們國防部同仁不要讓部長為難 |
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如果實在沒辦法,我就是院長了,院長沒辦法我就到總統府去了不要這樣嘛我跟妳講,我有刪你們預算嗎?我一毛錢沒刪過耶馬文君、趙偉在這邊,我還幫你們講話耶我還拜託他國防部的預算不要刪,妳問他?人家還說我什麼什麼藍皮綠骨的,誰藍皮綠骨啊?是不是? |
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那麼王帝宇、王逸川委員也在裡面啊他說我叫老公幹什麼幹什麼王逸川你說,你在電視上有沒有講我有啊,我有幫你講話啊我下次碰到許立民我就跟他講啊不然我見不到他啦,對不起啊好不好,不打 |
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我早上講話語氣是不好,但是真的這個事情已經把我搞火了好不好我真的很生氣了好不好請您重視我的存在可以嗎我下去會跟陸軍做一個我不跟陸軍講了,我要跟你講話啦我要跟陸軍講話,再講已經11次了11次,來這資料給你 |
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我不會跟你打架,你忘記了?我沒那麼粗魯啊謝謝 |