| IVOD_ID |
170204 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170204 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T10:13:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T10:23:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac9568bf5d8154326fd7789928a886f01881ccc59e5c68641788bd0bdca8ae0fe95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:31 - 10:23:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席我想要請工部長跟能源署的吳署長工部長還有能源署署長部長早安我想請教一下因為過去你是靜林辦公室的 |
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你以前在國發會的時候在國發會擔任主委的時候是有統合淨零政策的推動你是秘書的你是主要的秘書幕僚我現在也要問淨零部分的問題因為你現在在經濟部你身為經濟部長你是主要的 |
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這個可能在相關 執行機關對 執行的相關的部分那我想要請問就是現在的國科會所說的近鄰科技的500億的這樣子的一個方案那到底 |
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在經濟部裡面相關的前瞻能源 新能源還有前瞻的能源 就是新核能還有低碳製程技術未來怎麼樣子確保不是在實驗室階段而是真的能夠來進入商業化的生產就是能夠直接生產呢這個部分你們已經在推動了吧 能源署署長 |
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新核能的部分呢?新核能的部分沒有,因為現在應該是國研院他們有一個計畫在做國研院?對,是國研院那低碳呢?因為低碳的技術現在也有不同的發展了嗎?是不是?有,有要看TIL的成熟程度 |
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到底國科會這個500億的這個就是有關於淨零減碳的這樣子的新科技喔那怎麼樣子 你們經濟部到底負責哪一個部分產業還是有哪一個 知道嗎 國科會的 |
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碳封存的部分碳封存部分我們大概有一些實驗型的計畫在執行所以你們對於新核能這個部分還是在觀望是嗎新核能的部分的確還在觀察因為全世界現在它真正商轉的這個還沒有還沒有大部分都還是在前期階段那所以低碳的部分也僅在於過去的碳封存的部分是不是 |
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還有新的一些示範性的實驗比如說氫能的部分那現在已經開始有嘉青站在高雄氫能的部分我在日本也看過氫能的部分因為日本是推展氫能他們一直強調就是要推展氫能還是持續研發各位應該也有有相關於那個海洋海流的這些這些示範性的實驗那這個都算是比較學術跟科技上的實驗 |
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去碳燃氫的部分呢?還有智慧能源管理呢?我們就是有時候會加氫跟加氨嘛那也是在實驗那那個部分呢?那個是有在試驗啦有在試驗嗎?那氫能?台電的部分因為現在當然還有地熱啦地熱現在用比較深層式的來挖地熱 |
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那地熱的部分,現在有一個具體的進展嗎?也沒有?同事有跟我講說,在宜蘭的部分,深層是東山聽說它這個溫度還不錯啦,現在初步的但是還要再多幾口井才可以確認說它可能的容量會有多少,運產量會有多少所以目前進展還沒有是不是? |
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一初步看起來是那個溫度是夠的但是運裝量有多少就還要再花一點時間另外當然也有我們很希望在這個陽明山國家公園那個部分也可以用一個定向井來探測因為看起來初步看起來那邊也不錯那不過這個部分是跟我們是跟中 |
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中研院就是中友跟中研院在合作那這個當然還有一些跟內政部一些法規上還要做一些釐清那因為就是說這個部分當然就提到了就是說當然中友還有台電那當然還有 |
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我們對於國內的這些高碳排的產業還有石化業鋼鐵跟水泥那這個部分未來對於他們就是說這500億的預算裡面對於這些高耗能的這個產業那對於他們減碳的這樣子的一個就是說到底有沒有什麼具體的要求以及目標呢 |
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我看了國科會的部分我想還是要去看一下國科會他具體的方案但是至少經濟部的部分我們剛剛提到的一些示範性的一些實驗也正在進行當中那業者來講的話比如說他們現在開始有一些什麼對碳板廠或者混燒的這個生殖能那我們已經有開始有一些實驗跟補助方案已經開始那補助哪一個部分 |
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我們現在的規劃是說說那個如果他混燒生成的部分是不是在那個FIT的那個部分要給他一定的這個就是投資報酬讓他鼓勵他去減碳還有就是說我們其實之前有一些藍莓鍋爐我慢慢把它改成天然氣那個也是其實也是一種減碳的措施 |
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就是把燃煤鍋入改天然氣就對了就是那些高耗能的產業什麼樣子把我們也鼓勵那個定值的燃料電池的一些發展燃料電池對好那我那個能源署長請回我再請那個產發署長 |
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那就是現在就是經濟部他作為一個產業輔導的機關那怎麼樣子就是在協助不管是我們中小企業也好怎麼樣把淨零這一塊不會變成說是大企業 |
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因為也要讓小企業 因為我們那天去看了一個就是說我們看了彰化的一個智慧車輛零組件的一個相關的生產他們做得很辛苦 部長 那個中小企業做得很辛苦做一整天 說不定還沒有一個貨櫃然後你看他們整個貨櫃才150萬 |
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才150萬喔那也比不上一台AI的伺服器喔所以他們的這個那個piece啊很多件那但是他們的這個就是毛利率很低啊那這個時候經濟部更要協助這些中小企業協助他們在這一波不管是淨零轉型也好他們在AI升級也好是不是能給予他們大部分的協助啊 |
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有 包委員我們現在正在修正這個中小企業發展條例全面的改成中小企業的轉型升級發展條例那會把剛剛委員關心的比如說數位轉型跟AI升級還有淨零轉型的輔導措施甚至於可以在稅負上減免的部分也放到這個法案裡面去了 |
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所以會有資金上的一些協助補助另外如果採買這些包括AI或者是近年的相關設備事實上也可以有投資底線如果有研發或者甚至於將來技術上的有一些協助我們盡量來做一些協助我想520的時候總統有講除了現在每年的預算大概有100多億之外 |
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額外再增加了八年一千億來協助中小微他的轉型升級不好意思還有一點就是說可能部長我不知道你曉不曉得那天那個邱署長有去因為中小企業的這個AI轉型還有他們的其實我們看到我們現場去看到他有時候不是跟著你們的輔導團去做因為 |
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他有時候甚至認為說輔導團可能還怎麼樣要索資很貴因為就是說一個比較正規的輔導團你知道嗎有時候你說要一個AI的這個什麼捷運化他就要兩千萬然後 |
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他可能要兩千萬那他們自己做他們自己做可能運用一個比較基本的電動車然後再加上一些就是說他們的軟硬體的規劃設計可能幾百萬就可以達到了 |
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這個部分有沒有辦法也納入你剛才所說的他們可以減低賦稅啊這未來的認證問題是不是也要協助中小企業去做相關的就是說升級減稅的認證啊 |
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也應該要協助他們因為這個東西中小企業可能跟我們在政府部門裡面思考的會有點不一樣我們可能都認為說要做大可是中小企業如果能夠部分部分而且階段性的來做修正的時候那也會提升他們的產能然後變成他們的一個競爭力好嗎 |
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好的这个部分我们是不是请经济部还有产发署大力来协助好不好是好谢谢 |