| IVOD_ID |
170203 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170203 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T10:01:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T10:13:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9acf410521377ee067cd7789928a886f01881ccc59e5c686417231dcb1897cc80d85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:02 - 10:13:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
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好 接下來我們請楊瓊英委員質詢好 謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長跟國發會主委部長 主委讓他坐著對 坐著 坐著 OK 那法務部法務部 謝謝楊委員好好 |
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部長今天主席安排了補助審查機制與投資案的一個審查程序中之利益衝突迴避規範檢討的一個詢答本席是站在協助國家 |
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把關以及守護納稅人的權益的一個角度我們來提出了一個目前正處於一個重大財務與經營運風險集在各部會共同來釐清的一個關鍵案個案也就是在民國109年7月份的時候呢國發會直接投資了世豐電力股份有限公司那你當時是從109年5月份到 |
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513年的5月份你是擔任國發會的主委那當時參與了世豐的電力的這個現金這個增資的這個部分那當時我們投下的呢也就是5.52億 |
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持股的比例是20%當時你是以國防會主委那現在你是經濟部部長那這個面對於牽扯到整個綠能產業的發展還有地方權益以及國家資產保全的一個指標案件那我們更應該要以更嚴謹以及中性的這個標準來檢視是否存在著 |
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制度性的風險以及利益衝突的一個漏洞所以因此本席要首先請教部長您在當時擔任主委的任內你參與了這個投資案那現在正面臨的資產保全的重大 |
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考驗 那經濟部跟國防會呢國防會現在的主委坐在後面 你們兩位是不是已經做好了合規與這個避險的一個準備因為本席必須要善意的提醒部長根據地方發展的大四季裡頭 釋放在1996年通過了環評之後 他長期面臨到原住民部落的雨環 |
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這個環團的一個程序抗爭纏送這個訴訟那外界是高度的在看在質疑那為什麼會在黑歷史纏訴這個纏送多年的這個案件當中在2019年 |
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由孫威集團來收購之後呢那隔年我們的國防會呢火速的點頭來做評估而且進場投資所以這在整個審查機制的獨立性跟利益衝突的迴避上是不是已經完整的具備了客觀的社會說服力 請教部長因為這個案子啊 |
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它第一個它是個案第二個它是現金增資案理論上它是不會上到那個管理會國發基金管理會我主持的會議裡面那所以說這個案子就是等於是在全職辦理在國發基金裡面它就合調了所以本席就知道你一定會這麼回答所以我要把這個問題提出來給你接下來本席要請問的 |
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有關於國家整個資產是不是面臨的一個減損的一個重大財務危機重大財務危機那麼根據最新的財務揭露世豐它的實收的資本額是23億國防部我們當時投資的是5.52億但是現在傳出該公司的淨值只剩下5億 |
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那如果按照20%的比例來計算 我們目前帳面的價值可能只剩下1億那更令人擔憂的是 在潛在的一個退場機制去年7月份的時候 石破電力通過了授權 董事會來辦理32.8億的融資 |
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並進行工程的發包但是到今年為止我們看到外界與市場的觀察顯現出現場的工程幾乎是停滯當中更反常的是他公司的人員由原先居文由原先的25人現在只剩下5人 |
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在這樣的一個情況之下一間資本額23億進行大額的一個融資的開發公司如果營業人員精簡到純如外界所說的精簡到只剩下5人23億資本額的公司如果精簡到只剩下5個員工那請問這在公司的治理跟工程的履歷上是常態嗎是常態嗎還是一個警訊 請教部長 |
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現在的營運狀況我已經不調節我已經離開這個國發會好 國貿會主委請你回答所以是不是國貿會主委執密來說明一下國貿會主委國貿基金的執密是執密先嗎還是你先回答吧好 |
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就委員的問題可能有一個面向就是說譬如說像我們以往的投資譬如說像藥滑藥之前虧損很大第一個就是說投資這個部分其實在市場上面會有漲跌但我們會持續的觀察不會說 |
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某一陣子下來之後我們就趕快出清那個股票或儲本他不會我們不會這樣做我們會看比較長期的請教目前市場的訊息您瞭解嗎市場訊息我是不是可以請知名請說說明 |
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是跟委員報告世豐電力的這一個案子目前確實碰到一些困境因為他投資是有賺有賠那他真正要獲利一定是小水利發電開始發電了賣電力出來才能夠這個開始有這個營收進來那他的過程當中跟原住民的這個協調環評的這個非常清楚就針對剛剛本席所提問的是不是目前有這樣的現象因為市場都一直在傳 |
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因為我們是20%我們是20%的這股權我們持續在關注剛剛委員關切的像公司治理舉個例子來講最近深威能源碰到了這個因為深威入主之後本來也想說有這個資金可以來持續開發但是後來深威又碰到一些問題 |
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所以現在變成說工程上面會有一部分的延宕是在這一邊那經營層確實有碰到一些這樣的問題就是公司治理這個部分我們持續在所以你了解這個是屬實這個現象目前目前好接下來我要請問綠營的市場我們傳出的這些訊息那更有成員身為的董事會的成員據傳又有說對外尋找買家 |
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準備要出脫這個股權甚至可能要進行清算有沒有這回事啊這是不是一個風險的一個警訊跟委員報告就是說以常態性來講一個企業在發展的過程當中你知道目前有沒有這個現象 |
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因為市場一直在謠傳我們也不希望讓社會來恐慌我們是一個持股20%國家的單位到底有沒有這回事是 我跟委員報告現在最大股東是生威能源他碰到財務上面的問題確實有在尋找各種不同的資金進駐至於進駐的比例是多少會不會變成更大的股東這個是動態性的發展 |
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動態性的發展所以你們知道確實是有這個問題因為國發會呢我們主要是希望這些錢都是人民的納稅錢是公共的資金我們深怕會不會面臨到球場無門的這個階段投資石沉大海因為國發會的基金在投資是最重要的是希望讓我們的產業能夠來發展能夠來發展那既然子敏剛才說了本席剛剛所說的 |
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社會 市場 產業界所提出的這些面向確實是有在確實是有的情況之下我們希望國發會的投資是為了促進產業創新它絕對是不能在缺乏監督的風險之下淪為特定財團的一個套現的一個擔保工具 |
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是 這個我們態度是一致的好 所以在這樣的情況之下我相信這個問題除了財務跟治理風險它包括了社會責任跟治安的安全因為我們要檢視在113年的4月份裡頭在豐平溪工作的當中無姓的測量員發生了這個公安事件也經過了勞動部那麼也開出了法單也公布了負責任的姓名這一次一個牽扯到地方諮商 |
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同意的一個爭議以及發生重大公安那今天包括的內部剛剛你也承認了他們內部異常的從25個人是不是屬實到5人以及所有的 |
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這個數字我們大額的增額的時候那到底這些錢流向到哪裡工程的進度到底目前是如何這是社會非常期待看到真正的答案是什麼所以因此呢我本期必須要以 |
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為人民把關的這個立場我要提出幾點請國發會跟這個法務部跟經濟部必須要提出這個資料出來也就是第一個啟動專案合規的一個審查經濟部跟國發部到底目前是否便利目前他的資產淨值他的大額融資的去向以及工程的進度究竟是如何必須要跨部會去 |
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監視出來這第一個第二個評估資產保全的一個因應因為你也說過了都在找買家那準備如果是真的準備要出脫甚至變賣股權的這個風險訊號已經產生的時候那麼我們國發會你到底要怎麼樣去研擬你的資產保全的一個因應方案以防到時候我們求助無門那第三個也就是房屋鋪 |
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在相關跨部會的當中相關的責任你必須要針對大額的一個這個預算融資的部分到底它去向是在哪裡那麼在違反常態這麼大的一個公司融資這麼多的金額為什麼人員反而是降低到個位數那這個整個在公司的一個治理 |
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或許有人會害怕是不是會有掏空的這個現象以上這三點我相信財務風險評估跟資產保全的因應是我們國發會法務部以及經濟部必須要提出所以我們充分理性的討論那麼也知道這是一個訊息已經出來了那麼我們希望我們身為 |
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身為20%的持股者而且我們派駐的人員更應當要充分的瞭解而不是剛剛部長所說的他沒有到我這裡說我偷偷不知道因為這一些錢都是人民的納稅錢公共資產所以我希望在兩個禮拜內請將本席剛剛所提出的這三項的這個內容請提出說明可以嗎好加油好 謝謝委員 |
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好 |