| IVOD_ID |
170194 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170194 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T09:42:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T09:52:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac0e2264077ec09f647b53ee9065a0b1b4697cb05a6f31ee037b10ae65e3cca9285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:42:30 - 09:52:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第24次全體委員會議（變更議程）（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、海洋委員會海巡署、大陸委員會報告「中國船舶常態化巡弋我國海域之因應作為」，並備質詢。） |
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陳委員長部長剛才上一個委員質詢啊對在野黨的意見啊我們聽懂了我私下到時候再跟你們做解釋因為我們很快禮拜五就會討論這個議題所以在這邊不是政黨的辯論啊我們也支持那裡面有很多的不同的條件論啊 |
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我們不應該去為國防部決定打什麼仗這是國防部規劃但是有關預算編呢我想在核定裡面我們內部應該會支持那並不會說框一個然後我再來整理冤枉把它砍掉所以剛才那個你稍微可以心情放鬆一點那個我們再做溝通那這樣的話那個立法院到時候我們提出政府總預算到大院來審查的時候就這一部分 |
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委員就不用審查了是審查會溝通但是不是說拿這個來當作卡脖子的一個手段那這樣立法的本質的意義我有點不甚理解在這邊我們不在這個地方做細節討論了我特別講在今年的這個7月12號 |
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就是南海仲裁庭十周年当年一公布出来的时候我们的蔡英文总统就完全反对支持就不支持他的论述这个是菲律宾去提出来的他的起因是从黄岩岛的因素去抬那么接着在公元在这个我们这个这个这个我们就是2000年的时候啊 |
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我們的外交部又重新提出了一個對於這個南海仲裁庭的這個結論我們是不接受的因為是 |
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馬上到這個月的十二號就是十周年了我想有些立場可能要外交部的同仁做個說明那我們現在先進行到這個因為今天主要談的是中共灰色地帶那麼在國際現實中間各位看到很多的這個他的方法目的手段具體的行動如何用這個 |
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海上民兵、海警船、科研船交货然后文攻武吓、经贸胁迫、反对外地介入这是他的目的方法手段这个过程中间我想我们不管是国防部、陆委会、海委会、外交部我们跨部会有一个很好的协商机制但是各位看这张图这个图这是我们内政部公布的我们的领海法 |
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基线12里24里乃至于EEZ是由内政部公布但是今天现在谈的都是禁限制水域这是根据陆委会两岸人民关系条例定定外岛离岛的禁限制水域所以它的框架范围是一样但是解释的条款是不一样各位看这个中间台湾包括的这个图就是我们的EEZ |
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科研船向阳红22号走的行径走路线走过来我们用校准过的图片套叠这一次向阳红号的是在日本的EEZ所以理论上这一段我们不支持它的行动但是在法律上我们不去做批评指教但是在国际法上往往会有一个双标你看看到那个图的右下角那个圆框框那就是充值鸟交 |
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但是你看看日本把它公布成EEZ了也就是說當我們的漁船在那邊的時候有被日本扣留要罰款這個部分我希望我們的外交部在立場上就是說 |
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日本菲律賓談判的過程中間我們不介入他講說不影響第三方的權益這個權益不是影響不影響我覺得我們要向非日駐台的辦公室做個表達把我的圖畫出來因為如果單獨用這個表像這張圖你看不見我的EEZ所以你回過頭來 |
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你看這個圖的EEZ就出來了那這是我的產權登記所以我要讓你日本菲律賓駐台的代表了解我至於你們兩個談的不涉及三章不涉及到第三方權益我沒意見但是我的權益我自己先要表述因為同樣的標準充值鳥交 |
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日本把他划了200里进击海域而且他还依法执行所以说我们的渔船过去啊还被扣留罚钱过所以这个我觉得外交部的立场要能够说明那这张图啊这个图我花了很多的功夫啊做过校正这个就是太平岛因为这个南海仲裁庭啊把太平岛说他是 |
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所以你有領海但是沒有EEZ可是因為我們跟旁邊的那些島礁距離很近所以我們太平島用的是近限制水域 |
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那前一阵子有一个这个海巡呢有看到就中共的船进来但是他在三分钟内就从2000码冲到4000码所以说他是20节的速度冲他是打擦边球非常危险的我们现在在外离岛啊海巡的同仁背负了很大的责任啊要执行这些任务当然他的讯号并不是岛上的雷达像在这个东沙岛啊他是 |
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有领海基线12里24里以岛上的平面雷达看的话他是看不到是24里的所以他可能要用AIS |
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傳播追蹤系統 比對再派出船做有效的攔截這個圖裡面不只是太平島還有中洲礁還有敦謙沙洲那都被越南佔領了所以我們要跟別人溝通的時候要拿一個圖涵蓋出比較大的範圍上面這個圖就是我們政府公布的圖每一個島礁離島都是這樣子 |
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雖然他講說用WGS84實際上這是示意圖他並不精準所以這個部分 |
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这个我们国防部可能要请海军大海局配合把每一个公布的图的经纬度校正还有比例尺要量出来像这个图下面那个黄线5000公尺再去比照太平岛的长度如果你只是上上面这个白色的图你叫我们一般的国人或是其他部会的人做判断比较掌握不住那这个做个参考 |
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我再提一下今天這個島上還特別我標了兩個7點今天早上是7點30分的就是在太平島周遭還有在這個敦謙還有這個敦謙外面也有船像這些東西可以顯示出來的他什麼時候會轉向這就是AIS關掉了但是他是個下毛的船不了解 |
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这个是东沙群岛的环礁同样因为这个是有临海基线所以他有12里24里在这种情况下以岛上的雷达是无法24里外去看一个水面目标他一定要透过AIS船舶追踪系统比较到了不明的目标把AIS关掉的我们的船去临检这是早上这个7点10分的有三个在24里外的 |
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所以有這些圖像經過校正比對以後我們政府各機關的判斷上會比較客觀我們也希望在解釋的時候因為灰色地帶是一個名詞還有一個叫做灰都叫灰色地帶 |
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可是在法律的界定裡面那是灰色區塊就是說我們引述的條例跟案例時間不同不管你是從國際法海洋法海洋法公爵甚至我們看在這個荷姆茲海峽裡面 |
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没有一方是遵守国际法因为他解释的定义通通挑一个对他有利的条款这个没有对错但是这个部分呢我觉得外交部调法师也好是外交学院以后在这地方我们提供一些参考的图资那在对国外沟通的时候你有一个利润的参考做一个依据 |
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那最後這個是我就不去敘述這只是一個建言不管我們政府也該採購的行政院該做的國防部要做的外交部陸委會國安單位海委會海巡署我們都有角色站在立法院我們是支持國家維護權益的這個論述但是呢有些部分呢就是因為沒有一個完整的圖像在解釋的時候有些屬意會偏差這個部分是不是請顧部長給一些回應 |
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可是那個我想有關於限制或禁止水域及限制區域有國安部公告,那剛剛委員所指教的那些公告的部分我們下去了解一下,它那個詳細的經緯度的一個狀況 |
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好 那外交部這邊你們多一點回應感謝委員這麼用心 那麼我覺得這個是一個共識那麼就我們有法有據來維護我國的這個主權這是我們政府責無旁貸的一個責任我們會根據這個委員的這個指示 相關的這個仔細的情資然後能夠跟我們的這個有謀 理念相近的國家來做良好的溝通 |
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那麼同樣我們都有一樣的一個精神就是說對於中國不斷的這樣的一個洗腦那麼侵犯我國的這個海洋的權利以及我們的這個主權那麼我們都非常的在乎那我們會採取一切必要的手段那麼跟立法院一起能夠維護我國的主權維護我國的這個海洋的權利我們在這事情上面全力的跟委員一起的來配合來進行 |
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好 謝謝 維護國家權益啊 要大家共同努力 謝謝 |