| IVOD_ID |
170193 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170193 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T09:39:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T09:51:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9acde5465777dec5080ca9306fd69d22fc0697cb05a6f31ee0314e39bd33e9c15bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:35 - 09:51:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案審查總報告（公務預算部分）草案」提報院會案。
二、彙總整理提出「中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案。
三、審查本院委員吳秉叡等20人擬具「會計師法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答及處理）
四、審查本院委員吳秉叡等21人、委員李彥秀等18人分別擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之一條文修正草案」等2案。（僅詢答）
【7月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 各位先進有請金管委的彭主委請金管委彭主委委員早安委員早 這個要主委早早所以你剛才面對其他委員的時候講說我們不要討論個案我也同意不要討論個案可是現在國泰金所引起的他跟投信 他的投信的問題所引起的是全面 |
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前面就是說其他的監控底下投信或者投信only有沒有這個問題就是即使資訊串流漏了他不知道你們也不知道所以這個我的標題叫什麼叫你們監理擺爛 |
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然後治理司令 公司的治理司令他一個頭信 他自己的董監有沒有監職 怎麼會不知道呢監控底下 監控怎麼會不知道呢這裡面一個不可思議 就是這裡面已經有監控跟指控是有八個資訊的斷線 |
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我是沒有辦法想像說這麼大的一個group然後他們之間的資訊流會這麼多wik居然會漏掉某一個董事然後在裡面按照規定你當然投信不可以買他的 |
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買他這個所當讀懂也好啦 兼職什麼東西那個公司的股票大家都了解怎麼可以進出呢所以造成這個細節我就不要在這裡講了你說這個是個別資訊造成的投資者的損失啊因為你中間的miscommunication |
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斷訊造成我投資者的損失 照理講沒有損失啊 請問你這樣子強迫後來發現的 強迫即便是虧本了他也賣 讓投資人摸到的一個損失我就請問你 你剛說三次介入是不是 |
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沒有 我跟委員講 委員那個標題我想修正一下監理沒有擺爛 治理確實失靈所以是公司不好 你做得很好啦事實上你不好啦 你怎麼讓它發生呢請問這事情發生多久 |
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我想跟委員報告我們不是在爭議我剛才跟前委員說明的意思就是說監理有它一定的程序跟步驟這因為攸關到事實的釐清你什麼時候要介入你告訴我什麼時候開始介入我剛才提到我們的重大偶發通報 |
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這個他通常重大偶發那偶發就是很多資訊都不明確只說有這件事情所以我們當然接到這個我們當然就立刻就會介入去詢問說那是什麼時候沒有按照我們重大偶發的一個情況各位都知道我想在場的很多人都知道我們收到偶發他必須要七天之內就把提供更七天之內就提供更具體的說明外面有一個image就覺得說銀行局裡面規範就不太嚴謹 |
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這個 保險局基本上也都非常的嚴謹啊 政區局因為底下又有交易所啦又有櫃買啦 所以它分了就是那個線太長所以大家就會對你那個主要的主要啦 主要這三個局啊就對於這個政區局啊就覺得政區局好像這個線太長了 溝通不容易變這個樣子 所以績效不好 政區局 |
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其實委員不太一樣這三個產業比如說我們政經局是這個主管公開發行公司有加證券的這些範圍它的那個加速跟這個範圍跟監理的強度本來就不太一樣但對金融機構又是不一樣的那當然比如說我們的投信投顧法銀行法跟保險法本來就有不同的規範那當然對於一些的限制本來就不太一樣還有等一下 |
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你這檢查局已經進駐國泰投信進出了嗎是 他本來就已經在做檢查大概什麼時候可以檢查完檢查是按照我們檢查的需求不會是先預定什麼時候要終結檢查幾天了 已經檢查幾天了這我們待會可以請我們檢查局來來來 現在講一下檢查 |
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報告委員我們是6月22號開始那預計是6月幾號6月22號上個禮拜一6月20號上個22號所以10天那預計是到7月初7月8號但是必要的時候我們還會再繼續延長所以大概三個禮拜大致上是這樣子三個禮拜左右一般過去檢察局介入時間多長一般來講 |
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一般來講看他的這個金融機構他的規模如果說像是投信的話大致上有些是兩個禮拜到三個禮拜左右夠了啦 兩三個禮拜夠了啦你現在發現什麼問題沒有 |
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委員我想這個檢查的細節實在不適合請我們局長在這邊說明我想這個程序部分我們可以充分的說明好 那就沒有問題 我就要問你這個不是不應該只有國泰性法發生其他的投信可能也有你要不要全面清查是不是要全面清查 |
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我們現在已經開始在做了我們已經請那個我們投信投顧公會先開始我們已經請他開始要做這件事情當然我也會請我們齊群因為這個部分因為很攸關到我們投資標的合法性這個太重要了這個東西所以這件事情其實 |
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不應該犯一個 這個叫做第一級的錯誤啊怎麼可能 這個電腦一按就知道了怎麼會讓這個事情發生 怎麼會後面這麼淋漓浪浪而且拖這麼久的時間不可思議啊 大家不可思議啊所以我才給你下一個標你們盡力擺爛啊 你就不痛不癢啊沒有包就沒有 你們應該有一個主動的 |
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auditing的機制主要是auditing說他們投資的因為政交所、企交所都在你手上你們應該叫他periodically定期的一些資訊給你們看一下他裡面的投資標的有沒有違反到這個東西 |
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對 當然這是我們有我們定期查核的工作其實我們有幾道防線政府的監理已經是最後一道了我想說他們內部本來就應該他們內部都有規定各個公司不管哪家公司他都有規定說多久要申報你說你都要申報但是他們沒有落實這件事情他為什麼沒有落實他們自己的規定這我們要來檢討你對他們有處罰 |
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因為這個處罰是要把所有事情釐清就跟法院要判刑一定要把所有事件確定才能夠作如果處罰的就是現在調查結果就是這麼大的漏洞最高處罰是怎麼樣這個我們投信投顧法這邊上次在記者會有說明違反投信投顧法的話最高是罰到三百萬可以撤照嗎撤照 |
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有沒有撤照這樣法規裡面也是有這樣規定這個嚴重的事情這麼大一個皮肉另外我想要問一個你可以看到今天有媒體揭露PC Home被害 |
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裡面派啊 PI 錢包啊被害這裡面損失影響了350萬戶他的個資全部外洩這個第一家的被勒索的一個軟體啊這個入侵的第三方支付這個金國會怎麼看這個事情 |
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我想這是應該講任何一個機構不只金融機構或者第三方支付我想今天我有看到那個速發部已經迅速採取一些動作我想這個也給我們很多警惕我們這邊也有電資也有銀行這些都要注意這件事情這也是我們在過去我們在去年頒布資安韌性藍圖的時候特別特別強調未來最大的風險之一就是資安風險特別是金融機構擁有這麼多的 |
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客戶資料還有就是影響整個金融安定那我想這是第三方支付被害我想我們這邊也會來提醒你們要不要再啟動一個對於銀行金控他們的資安我們全面再做一次檢查有沒有這個必要 |
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其實我們這隨時外作我們剛剛才結束不久整個大型的資安演練應該是上個應該幾個禮拜應該上個禮拜還是兩禮拜前結果都很好也不是我們所謂不是都很好大家就是這個資安演練本來就是要不斷地用所謂的一些情境去測試你給他們打分數是都是A級嗎還是B級 |
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我沒有這個數據啦回去我再提供給委員看他們這次的給他們資安的決定結果是什麼好不好這是演練的狀況我再跟委員報告下次請一下財政部的次長陳次長 |
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主席啊 是 賴文豪一個題目啦 是你聽一下你部長講一話有關於台美的避免雙重課稅啊在這個地方我不知道問了幾年了答案都是 啊 今年秋天因為那個美國眾議院去年就通過了現在還在參議院參議院呢大概今年 因為他要選舉的 |
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大概你了解美國的參議院的一些運作方式今年底幾乎不可能這個東西 財政部有沒有什麼辦法再撲朽一下美國快一點 有沒有 |
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是 謝謝賴文我想財政部過去這幾年包括跟外交部整個還有駐美的一個代表我們對於ADTA的部分我想我們積極在push一個讓他的一個法案能夠禁訴兩院來通過並他的一個美國總統來合併現在我就告訴你參議院卡在參議院好 最後一個最後一個小問題替你們的基層人員講話現在說要軍工就要挑釁不管挑3% 4% 5% |
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我們希望在這裡面有一個人種特別強有一個專業價值 |
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你可以看現在的稅層基層所最基層的幾乎缺百分之二十找不到人又辛苦他的家籍又少這一部分你們要不要跟人種那裡去跟他請命一下專業家籍要提高否則你找不到基層的稅務人員我現在告訴你每一個地方比如太平市政府大安區有大安區基層所底下的人 |
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文山區一樣這些人現在都缺平均20%專業家籍非常多我想今天剛好是稅務節也謝謝委員跟我們一起來跟人總我們的稅務同仁的家籍的部分來家籍留住更多的人願意來我們財政部謝謝委員的感情 |