| IVOD_ID |
170184 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170184 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T09:12:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T09:22:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/10566d69eaf1b9ac3e5c5666d1a1c2e6d7789928a886f018697cb05a6f31ee0315f377d25edfc7d75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:12:54 - 09:22:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及法務部首長就「經濟部、國家發展委員會補助案審查機制、投資案審議程序中之利益衝突迴避規範全面性檢討」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
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第一位的邱盈瑩委員發言好 謝謝主席我是不是請一下經濟部跟國發會好了兩位首長好 請工部長跟葉主委 |
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來 部長兩位剛剛的報告內容其實針對我們今天主席排定的議程經濟部的補助案跟國發會的補助案有沒有利益衝突迴避的問題你們都給了非常清楚的答案我想更進一步請教就是說你們在審查這些補助案或者是投資案的時候 |
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其實你的主要的審核標準會是什麼那至於我們今天的議程裡頭提到的這個所謂的利益衝突迴避你們會有一個什麼樣的查核機制嗎 有沒有 |
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報委員我想在地中法裡面有特別規範就是要以公開公平方式來辦理補助這個部分不管他有沒有事先揭露都要按照這個原則來辦理那至少我們經濟部的部分一定都是以公開公平的這個補助辦法來執行 |
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那當然立法裡面有規定就是說如果有相關人等事先要有一些揭露那之前當然也有很多的案件大家疏漏了這個部分但是自從113年監產院通函提醒大家要這樣那我們經濟部有做了 |
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就是事先就會提醒這些這些申辦人說你要如果有的話你要做什麼那之後有的話都有所以你都會事先告知嘛你們都會做一些事先告知嘛那你知道現在其實在政治上面在台灣現在的整個政治環境上面很多時候其實接受監督啦或者是政府事先告知這些利益衝突迴避的事項都是必須的 |
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但是有一些都會被犯政治化會被抹黑會被亂扣帽子這會不會對你們未來在審查上面又或者是說其實我們看到很多的新創的這些投資人新創的這些企業未來在申請政府的補助上面其實他們也會很擔心我在做這些政府的投資補助申請的時候隨隨便便就有可能被扣帽子 |
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那如果是這樣子的話未來你們怎麼樣去做補助未來怎麼樣去支持這些新創包括接下來我要請教的就是說你們在國發基金對於新創的投資上面 |
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你們如何避免因為我們還是秉持著這個公開跟公平的方式辦理因為我們都有外部的審查委員這個外部審查委員是依據他的專業或者是對產業的幫助他來做評選不是我們自己來做決定所以他是完全是以公開公平的方式我要提醒就是說 |
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監督應該是要本於事實拒絕政治抹黑但是當有這些政治抹黑進入的時候不管是被補助的這一方或者是你們在做資格審查的補助的政府單位其實你們都應該義正言辭出來反駁出來駁斥不能任由人家抹黑 不能任由人家扣帽子不能任由人家栽贓 |
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政府好像軟趴趴的 像麻糬一樣沒有 我剛才特別提到的現在的政治抹黑很嚴重 公開公平的方式現在的政治抹黑很嚴重 根本沒有在問事實 也沒有在看事實 |
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一坨大便往你的身上一抹你若不義正言辭的反駁就抹在你身上擦不掉啦這個是我要提醒你們行政單位好來接下來我要討論的是這個國發基金這可能是那個主委您做的就好了您做的就好了沒關係沒關係你比較不方便你坐著就好那個是不是可以拿一個麥克風給主委好不好那部長您就可以先請回座 |
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主委我要請教一下剛剛我們談到了政府的投資政府的補助其實在很多的報告裡面我們現在看到政府對於AI對半導體對無人機對於淨零碳排等這些戰略的產業其實我們都開始在做大幅的這些投資依據你們的報告你們寫你們已經投資500多家的企業投資金額高達216億元 |
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這看起來好像很多欸500多家 投資200多億但你給他除一除 平均起來一家也沒多少錢欸你覺得這個金額是有很多嗎那你說當然都帶動民間投資896億我不知道你這個是怎麼計算出來的啦那我要請教就是說政府在對於這一些重要的戰略產業的投資上面 |
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我的想法是,他不應該是語錄均沾,不是齊頭式的投資,齊頭式的平等啦你五百幾間,一間就補足一個,投資一個五千萬這樣看起來,那有什麼意義? |
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在這邊跟委員報告就是說我們那個股發基金這個部分委員剛剛提到應該是比較屬於主題是百億投資這個部分那這個部分當然就是說因為是散在各部會那我們匡列一個錢給他那每一個部會有每一個部會執行的一個步驟以及補助的方式 |
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那我們也觀察到委員剛剛提到一些方式就有點像是很平均可是大家好像都沒有起來這樣子所以我們後來才會去成立一個投資平台那我們這個投資平台基本上會每一季會有一個工作會議那我們每半年會開一次管理委員會 |
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你的投資平台我當然知道我現在講的就是說其實啊你們應該對於類似這樣不管是所謂的AI的投資或者是文化事業影視音的這些投資我都覺得可能你們都很怕在立法院被罵啦這個好像又就是跟今天的主題就是什麼又圖利誰啦所以其實你們的 |
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眼光跟那個目標集聚其實都縮得很小我簡單講你的那個影視投資文化部的文策院雖然有百億的基金但是他的投資只要超過五千萬以上都還要再送國發基金審核我如果要拍一部氣勢磅礴的大片你就只有投資個幾百萬幾千萬 |
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你那個氣勢要怎麼做得出來你整個整個文化的影視音的投資怎麼會出得來那相對來講嘛我講到AI講到無人機產業講到靜雲太白或者是講到很多的新創當然不是每一個新創都適合讓你們去投資一億兩億但是你的這個所謂的投資平台如果不能把眼界放寬放遠其實你感覺就是 |
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蜻蜓點水點一下點一下點了就走點了就走你根本看不出一個長遠的這種政策規劃或者是長遠的投資規劃在這邊跟委員報告就是說有關那個文化部那個執行白衣這部分的話其實我們是沒有設那個上限就是五千萬也不用到那個管理委員會來這邊報告我們現在目前是沒有這樣一個限制 |
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要啦 可是你們不知道 因為沒有人敢投資五千萬以上啊所以終於還沒有送到你們這裡來報告啊因為我們也沒有啊 但可能我們這個在跟國務國中我現在沒有講個案啦 我現在談的就是說我們未來國發基金對於這一些新創前瞻的各式各樣的投資我覺得應該是眼界要放更遠一點因為我們就直投這個部分我們也沒有金額的限制啦 |
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那至於今天主席排定的這個議程我想所謂的什麼利益衝突迴避我當然也知道主席排這個議程的用意是什麼啦但我覺得很多時候 |
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事實的依據是什麼很重要行政部門你在對於這些投資補助審查你們都有一定的程序所以你們對於被抹黑被指控被扣帽子其實都應該是要更義正嚴實的去反駁接受國會監督是一件事情但是拒絕政治抹黑又是更重要的一件事情這個也請兩位能夠堅持自己的立場謝謝 |
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好,我們謝謝 |