| IVOD_ID |
170169 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170169 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-29T11:45:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-29T11:57:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/05a40576d455a9db4708d52f7b60b5027e55e861df8cbb709d3be363eebd0359ab895d7d41794bf65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:57 - 11:57:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查教育部函為修正「高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法」部分條文及「公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法」第五條、第六條之一條文案。【本案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
二、審查
(一) 委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「國民教育法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「國民教育法第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 國民黨黨團擬具「國民教育法第三條、第四條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國民教育法第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 委員葉元之等18人擬具「國民教育法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「國民教育法第四十四條及第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 委員徐欣瑩等17人擬具「國民教育法第三條、第四條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「國民教育法第四十四條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 委員林倩綺等21人擬具「國民教育法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「國民教育法第三條、第四條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
【進行詢答及逐條審查】【6月29日及7月1、2日三天一次會】） |
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国教向下延伸是姿势体大的配套够不够财源在哪里都要谨慎理性的来讨论如果仓促贸然的上路恐怕为教育现场是为蒙其利先受其害的所以我认为国教向下延伸有这么急吗下一页 |
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立法院最急的是我們的總預算我還是在我們文化跟運動部門預算沒有完成審議前我還是每一天都會提醒304天的拖延甚至在教文會武力華教委所排的教育部 |
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五月十八就審完了今天是六月二十九同樣是叫委會不同的召委對於預算的排審可以差一個月又十一天我認為非不行也不為也 |
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但是呢立委不省預算卻一再的透過修法來增加很多教育現場的制度的大變革沒有預算怎麼進行政策的調整呢立委加碼的去撒幣那預算不通過又怎麼有錢花呢夏業我一樣會不厭其煩的來統計 |
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教文會的委員康國嘉之凱無視於財政紀律法無視於預算法無視於憲法權利分立的原則光這個會期的乾坑法案從學貸三法每年要求中央增加負擔少則100億多則400億營養午餐法少則138億多則無法算計 |
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要照法要求中央全額增加支出每年400到600億今天的國教法如果又倉促的快轉過稅 |
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那么每年增加至少再100亿而一次性的空间硬体的增加支出是至少80亿所以A加B加C加D就是这一个会期教文会立委竞相加码大撒币的前科法案加总起来教育部一年要增加至少738亿到1238亿的支出 |
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次長您知道在財化法通過之後教育部的本部預算減少了多少嗎892億教育部在財化法之後自己的預算被立法委員等於是砍除了892億而現在每年立委片面的加碼就要你們增加國庫738到1238億的支出 |
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怎麼做 做得到嗎做得到嗎 次長 做得到嗎就不可能嘛我們要負責任務實的對國庫負責對人民負責看國家之愷做不到的拿著刀子掐著教育部的脖子怎麼做呢 夏業 |
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今天的國教法事實上中央地方是各有權責跟分工的立委修法很簡單把義務教育從6歲6改成5改一個字可是你們要整個大變動 |
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然後呢更在第四條加了一項學前教育所需經費由中央政府編列預算之意只要加幾個字全部的五到六歲這一年全部中央買單立委修法很簡單但是立委來凌駕行政部門的權力 |
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做得到吗下一页次长您跟我前一任我们都是立法会员教会会2023年国民教育法修正您也在审查的现场那个时候我们讨论过非常多次对不对好几次的会议严谨的讨论国民教育法我们完成了历年最大幅度的一次国教法的修正范围非常的广 |
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那個時候也有委員提出2023年就提出國教要向下延伸當時教育部門跟立法部門也召開過很多公聽會我們最後踩了煞車因為 |
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法源的依據要更完備師資的培育目前還做不到組織人士要精進還需要很多的資源而課綱的制定遷移法而動全身經費的編列中央跟地方如何分擔也沒有定見這五大問題今天2026年又要審這個法了這五個問題哪一個解決了還是完全都還沒有共識 |
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就是我要跟委員報告其實在2023年我們在修法的時候其實都遇到很多問題那事實上這些問題都當時提出來了嘛那你現在往下延伸這個到五歲其實可能大家會誤解好像我們反對延伸到五歲好像是不照顧幼兒教育那事實上我們是配合少子女化政策對策其實我們從105學年度開始就不斷在擴大公共化幼兒園的名額就在這裡 |
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我們並沒有因為2023年沒有接受向下延伸就不做事我們反而加碼的針對0到6歲國家一起養每年國家挹注685億在幼兒跟教保的措施減少家長的負擔增加學生 |
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的這些幼兒的學習的品質提升嗎您剛剛要解釋的就在這裡嗎我們擴大公立非營利總共幼兒園的設施有36.5萬名幼生受惠每年國家加碼投入505億而在念私校或是在家自己帶的20.5萬名幼生我們另外也給予育兒津貼每年國家也 |
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投入了180亿当国库能够负担国家行有余力我们想方设法再把教保的措施做得更完善这就是现行的政策下一页 |
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而我看到委員提案雖然只改一個字可是教育現場就會雞飛狗跳我們這10年間逐步的提升我們的公共化的教保不管是公立幼兒園10年增加217所 |
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非營利幼兒園10年增加399所都是要人力物力空間而且有非常多跟公司部門的協調我們努力穩健的做到這是這10年間我們的成果對不對 |
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所以我們擔心啊增設幼兒園立委只改一個字把六歲改成五歲國民教育就向下延伸了立委們難道認為增設幼兒園是變魔術嗎改個字就可以做到嗎 |
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如果以現在委員所提出的向下延伸一年到五歲的話要增加1431班對不對如果有的委員更進一步延伸到三到五歲那麼要增加14356班你們有算過嗎如果以剛剛我們十年增加616所1616校班我們要花多少錢才能夠到位啊 |
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這需要花時間啊不是變魔術啊所以說在教學端課程綱要教材審定師資培育跟教學評量都要重新配套行政端校舍空間人事行政經費分工跟學區的分發也需要給教育部門完整的時間去做配套這些問題都不能視而不見喔 |
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你们多久时间可以完整的提出尽可能尽可能完备的这些准备工作的报告呢七天七天做得到啊七天我们刚才有委员询问我们七天把它盘点出来但你们七天也可能只是回应说这些部分现在都很难达成吗 |
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我們會把其實剛才又委員提到說這個向下也是到五歲我們開始有課綱那很多我們也在重視學科學習會不會因為這樣子造成幼兒學習的壓力就進入到學校這個其實是另外一個觀點這個我們也會來評估好 |
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七天给报告是可以的但不代表七天就可以让向下延伸好像有明确的方向不是我们是七天给大家资料说我们遇到什么问题过去的评估怎么样现在新的观点怎么样让大家更清楚的知道甚至国际上很多国家我们委员提到了他们执行的状况我们现在其实比较正确的方向是要减轻负担增加生意这是现在我们政策的做法最后一页我们看这一页来下一页 |
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我更要挑戰就在教育文化委員會上上週修了幼照法要求把私立幼兒園自己帶的全部提高津貼每個月1.5萬到2萬意思是這些私校的在家自己帶的國庫來補貼 |
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然後準公共幼兒園也全部免費政府負擔現在今天又來修國教法把五歲的那一端全部變成中央買單那很奇怪啊剛修的幼教法跟今天的國教法不就是自己邏輯錯亂自相矛盾嗎幼教法是要政府用擴大補貼的方式補給家長 |
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然後現在來修國教法全部國家買單那我不曉得審查之後那這兩個法的這些競合衝突怎麼解決你們有看到這個問題嗎我們當然知道我們覺得這個部分真的要審慎評估沒有辦法什麼都用補貼或者是所以我們非常理性跟嚴謹的來呼籲教育現場的需要 |
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教育品質的提升我們有多元的政策然後逐步的來做成那立委對於義務教育向下延伸stakeholders彼此的意見我們需要跟更多的社會層面來對話我們要嚴謹的面對大家繼續的強化論述不能夠倉促修法造成教育現場的大混亂好 繼續加油 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |