| IVOD_ID |
170149 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170149 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-25T11:46:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-25T11:55:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5296dbcedce5686e1d5a35136623c753ce82a3a0a2afbeedb34cba3dd815ff04798c8af07a2370ec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:46:22 - 11:55:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等19人、四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17人、六、委員林思銘等22人、七、委員洪孟楷等21人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十三、委員涂權吉等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；第二案、第七案至第十案、第十二案及第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查；第六案及第十一案如經院會復議，則不予審查】【6月24日及25日二天一次會】） |
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那我們也確實看到了這種獨駕肇事他的件數以及造成無辜民眾的死傷這個案件這很可怕了例如獨駕的取締件數如果我們從2021年當年只有43件在去年就高達了8659件等於2021年到去年一共成長了200倍 |
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那未來的這個修法方向 我看大概正院版的啦當然是交通部提出來的第一個就是加重罰款 都叫加重他的處罰第二個 吊銷他的駕照甚至延長限制一些條件 讓他才可以重新考照 |
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再來就是同車者的責任同車的乘客如果明知道駕駛人施用毒品沒有勸阻要負起責任再來就是累犯加重如果你曾經有過那你再犯當然我們要加重他的處罰以及你要重新考照必須要有 剛剛你有提到必須要有戒除毒癮的這樣的一個證明 |
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還有沒路車輛那沒路車輛啊其實算是很嚴重的一個處罰不管你是吸駕駛就是說你獨駕甚至拒車你拒絕檢測也要沒路車輛而且不管駕駛人是不是為車主都要直接將車輛沒路 |
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至於獨駕沒路車輛 或者拒策我們把車輛沒路 這個看起來大家都贊成但是你在沒路車輛的時候 我有一些建議你要如何的 我們要如何的來避免懲罰到無辜的第三者例如 這個車輛如果是朱潤的車輛如果是他租來的車輛 |
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那我是租車公司我車子你給我租了你給我吸毒那他的車輛被摸入會不會有這種狀況再來被偷竊的車輛民眾的車輛被偷竊了結果偷車的人吸毒開車再來來借車借車的時候也不知道他會吸毒再來第四個公司的車輛 |
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有時候是公司的營業員或公司的駕駛 他給你稀土這個曾經發生一件啦 一個在夜市擺攤的老先生啦他叫他兒子送貨 他就靠一台小貨車在謀生啦結果他兒子給他稀土結果這樣車輛 檢方現在是扣押啦 那以後如果是末路的話 |
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那會不會造成這個所謂的善意第三者無辜的第三者也連帶受處分再來就維修的代步車啦這個是我接到一些汽車維修廠因為你如果客人車上去維修他有時候會借你一部代步車那如果啦像這種代步車開的人也跟你吸毒所以我覺得 |
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我們在立法的時候有些狀況是不是也必須要作為我們的一個考量我們的行政法法其實我們行政法法的第22條它大概有類似的一種 |
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一種規範就是說你不屬於被處罰的人的東西例如車輛不是他的那因為這個車主所有人因為所有人的故意或重大過失那造成這個違法事情發生那這樣是可以沒路啦但是他有幾個要件第一個就是說所有人有故意或重大過失行政法基本上在法律上他也保持這樣的一種 |
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這種比較完整以避免去懲罰到無辜的第三人所以我們未來交通部的這樣的一個立法你現在有沒有考量到行政法法上對於這種所謂可能懲罰到無辜的第三者的這種考量 來 |
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是我想跟委員說明一下委員的見解非常正確所以我們在行政院版的這個修正草案我們應該是還沒在應該送到大院來的如果可以看得到的話我們在我們的修正草案的這個說明欄裡面就特別把剛才委員特別提到的就是有關 |
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行政法法相關的規定引述在這裡面而且說明到如果不是非出於故意或重大過失不予處罰甚至還舉例你這裡特別提到的租賃車租賃車將車輛租與成租人假設事前已善盡告知本處罰條例的義務成租人 |
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獨駕的話得予舉證免罰所以像這樣的東西我們有考慮到後續我們會在相關的處理細則等等把這樣的一個情形能夠更清楚的明示但是因為你現在是寫在你修法的說明欄所以我才會講到說因為行政法法就可以處理了所以不需要再特別寫了那後續我們會在我們的處理細則實施的時候裡頭來把它明確的說明 |
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所以這點你希望交通部現在的立法上這個必須要考量進來是 我們會考慮那本席所提的修法我也有把這種狀況給加進來但是我是明確的寫在法律條文這個我們可以到時候來看大家共同來討論另外 據測者據測者當然是 |
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絕對有問題因為現在這種毒品非常可怕它無色無味而且它吸食很方便現在用那種什麼電子菸就可以隨時隨地邊開車邊吸食為什麼呢因為它在車輛裡面沒有其他人就是最隱密的地方而且它無色無味它的半衰期只有2至3個小時 |
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所以嫌犯為什麼一定會跑因為他跑掉以後被你抓到他就要兩三個小時以後你抽他血也檢測不出來所以你就可以逃 叫體內的濃度就快速掉到偵測線以下所以就像你採他的尿液或唾液快篩都是會造成胃陰性所以現在這種毒品就很可怕 基本上 |
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也造成我們法律很難去追溯但是它危險在於很多細節者會開車因為車是一個最好的空間所以他如果在開車的時候造成成癮他想吸食的時候很方便但是他藥效發作他可能再嗨起來 |
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他會有3到10秒那種昏迷 類似昏迷那種狀態他根本沒辦法控制車輛這車輛等於完全失去控制所以才被稱為 好像是路上的移動炸彈一般所以政府必須要很嚴肅的來處理這個事情而且就他造勢的建樹 以及造成民眾無辜死傷師傅我再給你看一下 |
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你以為你看2024年我現在講的是有造成死傷的2024年90件去年就成長了兩倍到266件那今年一到三月就113件我看今年至少有500件等於90件266件500件 |
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那死亡人數24年有11個人 居然有19個人那受傷人數也是從85人到229人就24年跟25年來比所以希望交通部我想立委的意見都表達得很清楚這個大概我們應該盡速來大家一起來面對獨家對我們交通安全的一個威脅那最重要還是源頭的 |
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應得一個處理行政院跟法務部這裡跟我們相關的司法單位應該要嚴格的以及要很嚴肅的來面對這種毒品滲透到台灣的這個問題好不好好 謝謝市長謝謝委員 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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謝謝主席，本席邀請我們交通部陳彥伯次長。 |
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主席 |
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請次長。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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次長好。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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次長，今天我們在討論毒駕的問題，看得出來大家對毒駕都是深惡痛絕，不管是交通部、行政院這邊的修法方向，以及剛剛我們立委同仁大家表達的意見都是如此，我們也確實看到毒駕肇事的件數以及造成無辜民眾死傷的案件，這很可怕，例如毒駕的取締件數，如果我們從2021年來看，當年只有43件，去年就高達8,659件，等於2021年到去年一共成長了200倍。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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而未來的修法方向，我看到政院版，這當然是交通部提出來的，第一個就是加重罰鍰，毒駕要加重他的處罰；第二個，吊銷他的駕照，甚至延長限制一些條件，他才可以重新考照；還有同車者的責任，同車的乘客如果明知道駕駛人施用毒品而沒有勸阻，坐同一輛車的人也要負起責任；再來就是累犯加重，如果你曾經有過而你再犯的話，當然要加重處罰，以及你要重新考照，剛剛你有提到，必須要有戒除毒癮的證明。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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還有沒入車輛，其實沒入車輛算是很嚴重的處罰，不管你是毒駕，甚至是拒測，拒絕檢測也要沒入車輛，而且不管駕駛人是否為車主，都要直接將車輛沒入。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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至於毒駕沒入車輛，或者拒測的話，我們把車輛沒入，這個看起來大家都贊成，但是你在沒入車輛的時候，我有一些建議，我們要如何避免懲罰到無辜的第三者？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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例如如果是租賃、租來的車輛，我是租車公司，我把車子租給你，你吸毒，造成車輛被沒入，會不會有這種狀況？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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其次，被偷竊的車輛，民眾的車輛被偷竊了，結果偷車的人吸毒開車；再來，借車，借車的時候也不知道對方會吸毒；第四個，公司的車輛，有時候是公司的營業員或公司的駕駛吸毒。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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曾經發生過一件事，就是一個在夜市擺攤的老先生叫兒子送貨，他就靠一臺小貨車謀生，結果他兒子吸毒。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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檢方現在是把車子扣押，以後如果是沒入的話，會不會造成善意第三者、無辜的第三者也連帶受處分？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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再來就是維修用代步車，我接到一些汽車維修廠的陳情，譬如客人的車輛去維修，維修廠有時候會借客人代步車，像這種代步車，開的人如果也吸毒……所以我覺得我們在立法的時候，有些狀況是不是也必須要作為我們的考量？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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其實行政罰法第二十二條大概有類似的規範，就是不屬於被處罰人的東西，例如車輛不是他的，因為車主、所有人的故意或重大過失，造成違法事情發生，這樣是可以沒入的，但是有幾個要件，第一個，所有人有故意或重大過失，行政罰法在法律上保持這樣一種比較完整的方式，以避免懲罰到無辜的第三人，所以未來交通部這樣的立法有沒有考量到行政罰法上這種避免懲罰到無辜第三者的情況？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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請次長答復。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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我想跟委員說明一下，委員的見解非常正確，行政院版的修正草案應該送到大院來了，如果可以看得到的話，在修正草案的說明欄裡面，我們就特別把剛才委員提到有關行政罰法相關規定引述在這裡面，而且說明到如果非出於故意或重大過失，不予處罰，甚至還舉例這裡特別提到的租賃車業者將車輛租予承租人，假設事前已善盡告知本處罰條例的義務，承租人仍毒駕的話，得予以舉證免罰。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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所以像這樣的東西我們有考慮到，後續我們會在相關的處理細則等等把這樣的情形更清楚地明示，讓大家都了解。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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但是你現在是寫在修法的說明欄…… |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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是，所以我們…… |
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林委員俊憲 |
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你不是明確地寫在條文裡。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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因為行政罰法就可以處理了，所以不需要再特別寫，後續我們會在處理細則實施的時候明確地說明。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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這一點交通部現在的立法上必須要考量進來。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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是，我們會考慮。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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本席所提的修法也有把這種狀況給加進來，但是我是明確地寫在法律條文。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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我們可以到時候來看，大家共同來討論。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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另外，拒測者當然是絕對有問題的，因為現在這種毒品非常可怕，無色無味，而且吸食很方便，用電子煙就可以隨時隨地、開車邊吸食，為什麼呢？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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因為車輛裡面沒有其他人，是最隱密的地方，而且這種毒品無色無味，半衰期只有二至三個小時，所以嫌犯為什麼一定會跑？ |
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林委員俊憲 |
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因為跑掉以後即使被抓到，兩、三個小時以後抽血也檢測不出來，體內的濃度會快速掉到偵測線以下，所以就算採尿液或唾液快篩，都會造成偽陰性。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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所以現在這種毒品很可怕，基本上也造成法律很難去追溯，但是危險在於很多吸食者會開車，因為車內是一個最好的空間，所以他如果在開車的時候，因為成癮、想吸食的時候很方便，但是藥效發作、嗨起來的時候，可能會有3到10秒類似昏迷的狀態，根本沒辦法控制車輛，車輛等於完全失去控制，所以才被稱為好像是路上的移動炸彈一般，政府必須很嚴肅地處理這件事情。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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而且就肇事的件數及造成民眾無辜死傷的數字，我再給你看一下，第一個，我現在講的是有造成死傷的，2024年有90件，去年就成長了兩倍，到266件，今年1到3月就有113件，我看今年至少有500件，等於是90件、266件、500件；死亡人數，2024年有11個人，去年有19個人；受傷人數也是從85人到229人，就是2024年和2025年。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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我想立委的意見都表達得很清楚，我們應該儘速、大家一起來面對毒駕對交通安全的威脅，最重要還是源頭的處理，行政院、法務部及相關的司法單位應該嚴格地、很嚴肅地面對這種毒品滲透到臺灣的問題，好不好？好。 |
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林委員俊憲 |
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謝謝次長。 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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主席 |
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謝謝林俊憲召委的發言，謝謝次長。 |
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今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢，作以下決定：報告及詢答完畢，委員游顥、陳素月、傅崐萁等委員所提書面質詢列入紀錄，並刊登公報，委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答復部分，請交通部及相關機關儘速以書面答復。 |
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林委員俊憲：（11時46分）謝謝主席，本席邀請我們交通部陳彥伯次長。 |
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主席：請次長。 |
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陳次長彥伯：委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：次長好。次長，今天我們在討論毒駕的問題，看得出來大家對毒駕都是深惡痛絕，不管是交通部、行政院這邊的修法方向，以及剛剛我們立委同仁大家表達的意見都是如此，我們也確實看到毒駕肇事的件數以及造成無辜民眾死傷的案件，這很可怕，例如毒駕的取締件數，如果我們從2021年來看，當年只有43件，去年就高達8,659件，等於2021年到去年一共成長了200倍。而未來的修法方向，我看到政院版，這當然是交通部提出來的，第一個就是加重罰鍰，毒駕要加重他的處罰；第二個，吊銷他的駕照，甚至延長限制一些條件，他才可以重新考照；還有同車者的責任，同車的乘客如果明知道駕駛人施用毒品而沒有勸阻，坐同一輛車的人也要負起責任；再來就是累犯加重，如果你曾經有過而你再犯的話，當然要加重處罰，以及你要重新考照，剛剛你有提到，必須要有戒除毒癮的證明。還有沒入車輛，其實沒入車輛算是很嚴重的處罰，不管你是毒駕，甚至是拒測，拒絕檢測也要沒入車輛，而且不管駕駛人是否為車主，都要直接將車輛沒入。至於毒駕沒入車輛，或者拒測的話，我們把車輛沒入，這個看起來大家都贊成，但是你在沒入車輛的時候，我有一些建議，我們要如何避免懲罰到無辜的第三者？例如如果是租賃、租來的車輛，我是租車公司，我把車子租給你，你吸毒，造成車輛被沒入，會不會有這種狀況？其次，被偷竊的車輛，民眾的車輛被偷竊了，結果偷車的人吸毒開車；再來，借車，借車的時候也不知道對方會吸毒；第四個，公司的車輛，有時候是公司的營業員或公司的駕駛吸毒。曾經發生過一件事，就是一個在夜市擺攤的老先生叫兒子送貨，他就靠一臺小貨車謀生，結果他兒子吸毒。檢方現在是把車子扣押，以後如果是沒入的話，會不會造成善意第三者、無辜的第三者也連帶受處分？再來就是維修用代步車，我接到一些汽車維修廠的陳情，譬如客人的車輛去維修，維修廠有時候會借客人代步車，像這種代步車，開的人如果也吸毒……所以我覺得我們在立法的時候，有些狀況是不是也必須要作為我們的考量？ |
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其實行政罰法第二十二條大概有類似的規範，就是不屬於被處罰人的東西，例如車輛不是他的，因為車主、所有人的故意或重大過失，造成違法事情發生，這樣是可以沒入的，但是有幾個要件，第一個，所有人有故意或重大過失，行政罰法在法律上保持這樣一種比較完整的方式，以避免懲罰到無辜的第三人，所以未來交通部這樣的立法有沒有考量到行政罰法上這種避免懲罰到無辜第三者的情況？請次長答復。 |
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陳次長彥伯：我想跟委員說明一下，委員的見解非常正確，行政院版的修正草案應該送到大院來了，如果可以看得到的話，在修正草案的說明欄裡面，我們就特別把剛才委員提到有關行政罰法相關規定引述在這裡面，而且說明到如果非出於故意或重大過失，不予處罰，甚至還舉例這裡特別提到的租賃車業者將車輛租予承租人，假設事前已善盡告知本處罰條例的義務，承租人仍毒駕的話，得予以舉證免罰。所以像這樣的東西我們有考慮到，後續我們會在相關的處理細則等等把這樣的情形更清楚地明示，讓大家都了解。 |
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林委員俊憲：但是你現在是寫在修法的說明欄…… |
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陳次長彥伯：是，所以我們…… |
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林委員俊憲：你不是明確地寫在條文裡。 |
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陳次長彥伯：因為行政罰法就可以處理了，所以不需要再特別寫，後續我們會在處理細則實施的時候明確地說明。 |
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林委員俊憲：這一點交通部現在的立法上必須要考量進來。 |
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陳次長彥伯：是，我們會考慮。 |
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林委員俊憲：本席所提的修法也有把這種狀況給加進來，但是我是明確地寫在法律條文。 |
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陳次長彥伯：我們可以到時候來看，大家共同來討論。 |
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林委員俊憲：另外，拒測者當然是絕對有問題的，因為現在這種毒品非常可怕，無色無味，而且吸食很方便，用電子煙就可以隨時隨地、開車邊吸食，為什麼呢？因為車輛裡面沒有其他人，是最隱密的地方，而且這種毒品無色無味，半衰期只有二至三個小時，所以嫌犯為什麼一定會跑？因為跑掉以後即使被抓到，兩、三個小時以後抽血也檢測不出來，體內的濃度會快速掉到偵測線以下，所以就算採尿液或唾液快篩，都會造成偽陰性。所以現在這種毒品很可怕，基本上也造成法律很難去追溯，但是危險在於很多吸食者會開車，因為車內是一個最好的空間，所以他如果在開車的時候，因為成癮、想吸食的時候很方便，但是藥效發作、嗨起來的時候，可能會有3到10秒類似昏迷的狀態，根本沒辦法控制車輛，車輛等於完全失去控制，所以才被稱為好像是路上的移動炸彈一般，政府必須很嚴肅地處理這件事情。 |
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而且就肇事的件數及造成民眾無辜死傷的數字，我再給你看一下，第一個，我現在講的是有造成死傷的，2024年有90件，去年就成長了兩倍，到266件，今年1到3月就有113件，我看今年至少有500件，等於是90件、266件、500件；死亡人數，2024年有11個人，去年有19個人；受傷人數也是從85人到229人，就是2024年和2025年。 |
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我想立委的意見都表達得很清楚，我們應該儘速、大家一起來面對毒駕對交通安全的威脅，最重要還是源頭的處理，行政院、法務部及相關的司法單位應該嚴格地、很嚴肅地面對這種毒品滲透到臺灣的問題，好不好？ |
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陳次長彥伯：好。 |
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林委員俊憲：謝謝次長。 |
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陳次長彥伯：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝林俊憲召委的發言，謝謝次長。 |
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今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢，作以下決定：報告及詢答完畢，委員游顥、陳素月、傅崐萁等委員所提書面質詢列入紀錄，並刊登公報，委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答復部分，請交通部及相關機關儘速以書面答復。 |
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1155502 |
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1155502_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台
灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等 19 人、
四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17 人、六、委員林思銘等22 人、七、委員洪孟楷等21
人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交
通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處
罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人
擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十
三、委員涂權吉等19 人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草
案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16 人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案
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1155502_00002 |