| IVOD_ID |
170145 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170145 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-25T10:47:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-25T11:02:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5296dbcedce5686e8a8d98fb3b2ddd6fce82a3a0a2afbeedb34cba3dd815ff048a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:33 - 11:02:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等19人、四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17人、六、委員林思銘等22人、七、委員洪孟楷等21人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十三、委員涂權吉等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；第二案、第七案至第十案、第十二案及第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查；第六案及第十一案如經院會復議，則不予審查】【6月24日及25日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席那我在這邊邀請我們陳政府次長好 請次長好 先次長就好了我來依序委員好好 謝謝針對今天 |
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我們道教條例的一個修法那我在這邊我要先來詢問我們交通部當然毒品的一個問題源頭的一個處理是最重要我們交通部我們今天所討論的修法都是在做這個後續階段善後修法的一個工作 |
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那當然 毒品的一個氾濫 毒價的一個問題那引起我們所有全國國人的一個注意嘛那在這裡我看到我們交通部 包括我們部長 |
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那此夕在媒體上就發布也發言那我想我們交通部目前針對我們道交條例的修法我們現在的進度在哪裡 |
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已經報行政院了嗎?我們那個委員報告下行政院已經送到我們大院來所以我們希望能夠併在這一次所以我們也期待併在我們這一次包括我們黨團包括我們各委員提出的修法版本一起併案來申請我們會加速來處理 |
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我想這個速度是一定很重要 全國人民都在看不過過去我自己在看報紙、在說那些宣誓我都覺得像我們民間話去說的 說到幾本書 做不到一堂誓所以整個大家一起來努力 |
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那這樣的速度我們也期待透過我們今天的新的之後未來我們在委員會可以迅速的來討論那在這裡我發覺一個問題 |
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我們過去 渡假跟酒駕我們腳步修法 它是併在一起的那目前有一個狀況我看到我們的很多版本就是 渡假 酒駕我們啊 |
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把它單獨再拆開就是我們的賭架包括我們的花款包括我們的吊罩等等我們會比酒駕來嚴格因為價格本身就緩緩嘛所以我們現在要把它修緩它就是客家的花款嘛但是現在有一個狀況 |
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獨駕跟酒駕又併在一起就是我都在喝酒,我都在吃豆一樣又在使用交通工具這種情況目前我們看到的統計資料真的很嚴重短短兩個月從台北到高雄兩個月就有34位都這樣獨駕加酒駕 |
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加毒、都領酒、都酒駕、又獨駕這樣的一個情況那我在這邊我想要了解我們法務部我們協團室有來嗎法務部也請教我我在這裡也要請教法務部的意見目前我們看到交通部的修法還有我們的很多版本把獨駕、酒駕拆開獨駕、加重 |
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但是我們現在就看到一個現象 獨駕又加酒駕這樣的情況如果以目前的行政法 法第24條提議項 我們只能挑比較重的嘛就是你既酒駕又獨駕 那我們修法通過獨駕比較嚴重我們就用獨駕的角度來處理 那我要問法務部的意見 |
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他既渡假又酒假 酒假也超過標準 還要換渡假這個有機會來怎麼處理嗎 可以更加重嗎 華府的意見謝謝委員的垂詢 看委員對新生爸爸果然也相當了解 |
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行政法第24條的規定是如果有一個行為觸犯數個行政法上的義務的時候就是從最終的人去處罰但這邊有兩個層面的問題要處理一個是我們的食物運作上面是不是把一個吸毒之後再駕車跟另外一個喝酒之後再駕車這兩個行為是不是評價成自然意義或法律意義上的一行為這邊可能需要一個比較分析研究才能斷定它是不是適用24條第一項從一種處罰的問題 |
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那第二個層面是即便我們把它評價為一個行為那只能受一次的最終的處罰事實上在裁罰標準裡面事實上是可以做不同的認定的我舉個例子跟委員報告比如說我們施用一級毒品跟二級毒品同時施用的狀況事實上我們刑法上也只會處罰一個施用毒品罪但是同時施用一二級毒品在實務上一定會判 |
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比較重因為你同時適用兩種雖然在法定的刑度裡面是適用最重的那個適用一級毒品但是跟其他單獨適用一級比起來他一定會比別的人重很多如果你同時適用一二級的話我想這樣的道理應該也會貫穿在我們的行政在我們這個行政法一行為侵犯違反數個行政法上義務而單獨只受一個處罰的狀況那以上跟您說明好這就是這樣的一個狀況那也謝謝王副總的說明 |
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那這個部分我們也期待我們再有機會再做進一步的大家的一個討論那在這裡我們也看到獨家家酒家混在一起再來一個狀況就是 |
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在渡假在酒駕那這個禮犯的過程當然我們現在定的一個修法要給他也是禮駕要開罰嘛禮駕才開罰那這樣的一個過程我們看到我們的資料 |
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無論的品種,你犯了兩次、三次、五次最多我看到的資料你犯八次,他還是繼續宰犯那在這個過程當中,除了你記得家法,我們有修法之外那我這邊也發覺到,我們現在有公佈 |
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名單嘛 雷帆的名單有公佈嘛但是根據我去了解之後我們要公佈名單我們進入公路局的一個網站他這樣的連結非常複雜 |
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你要連結然後跳轉到其他各地區的監理單位再查詢然後再轉到公佈名單一直連結真的非常不方便所以而且一般民眾也不會去查所以我覺得目前公佈壘辦的名單這樣的一個網站 |
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這樣的一個連結是非常不OK的我在這裡就直接建議我們公路局我們應該要做一些調整要做一些調整好不好我們局長 |
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這個壘範公佈是不是在我們那邊來執行各位報告壘範公佈的部分是在處罰機關那當然這個六都市在六都然後這個十六縣市是在公務局那就公務局公佈我們會來做一個檢討好不好這個部分做一個檢討我們國務部調查局我們對那個通緝犯的一個名單的公佈他們就很直接啊 |
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他們就很直接啊,以夜市的房屋這樣的一個網頁啊能夠很方便、很直接讓要去查詢、要去了解這些地方的一個名單啊就清清楚楚,好不好?那就陳副局長所談的,我們要來做一個改進另外 |
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另外我最後一點還是剛好我們今天警政署也在這裡我們從我們的資料我們看到我們的警察總統在第一線追捕這些獨家過去的酒駕現在的獨駕那也因為 |
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臨檢或是發覺要去圍捕 要去追捕起死 造成無辜的民眾死亡或是我們的員警自己的一個安全在這個過程當中我們雖然強力的執法 |
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那我在這邊也要來提醒 來提醒我們警政署 針對我們第一線的同仁也要特別注意他們的一個執勤 臨檢的一個安全臨檢的技術 要注意 也要去 |
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如果真的要去回府要去追這樣的獨家安全還是要第一啊這個部分我在這邊特別來提醒警政署好不好來 |
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謝謝委員這邊謝謝委員的關心有關之前的SOP跟ENGINE之前的案件這是我們行政署最重視的因為像獨家這個部分我們也好幾位同仁都英勇在追擊的時候不小心都受傷了他也有同仁在像土城的一個所長也是殉職的我想這就是我們一個採訪的經驗所以在這裡 |
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我們現在修法越來越嚴我們就是修法我看到各版本都很嚴那只要嚴我跟你講拒絕臨檢的想要逃逸的案子會越來越多因為你罰得太嚴嘛他一定跑嘛跑你一定要追嘛 |
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狀況就來了所以這樣的一個部分我覺得我們在執法的精進跟SOP真的要特別注意今天是不是叫我這邊演你好最後我還有一點這個問題想要問我們交通部 |
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我們高齡者的換照目前我在地方上有看到我們的監獄站非常主動跟社區跟辦公處來合作就是方便長者不要到我們的監獄站 |
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直接在社區 直接在社區的活動中心能夠來辦理這樣的一個環照那在我的選區我也看到我們的典禮站跟在地的醫院來配合來呼籲這些長者那我在這個過程 |
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發現 觀察到幾個重點 我在這邊也提出這樣的一個方案 我很認同高齡者 總是要賣我們的照片照過去嘛畢竟我們的檢體站 就是一個檢體站那長者要去檢體站來換照 真的不方便所以我們照地嘛 但是我在這邊也觀察到一個 |
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現象在這個過程當中會不會造成在那邊辦理那個監察嘛還是要做身體的那個監察還要受那個交通安全槍刑嘛然後OK才犯罪 |
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會不會變得比較好過 容易過 簡單過會不會 不會 確定不會嗎不會 提高檢查的標準都是一致都是因為那天我們 他的長者 他說 |
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來這裡可以做夥伴的,我沒辦法,聽他說在這裡比較不麻煩,有來報名,就一個提供,人家說一個獎勵,我們就一個在這裡聽聽,就OK了,就用碗 |
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所以全國的標準SOP會一樣嗎跟我們報告一下這裡面有兩道程序第一道程序就是體檢體檢就是由醫師來做處理對啊這個體檢就在OK啊那後面講習的部分就是大家上完課了那也沒有什麼測驗說要去評斷說分數如何如何的部分所以那個是希望有一個免費兩個小時的交通安全教育希望大家 |
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這個政策這個方向我絕對認同我那個處長跟局長說另外應該是說那個地方比較輕鬆你一定有辦的大家比較熟悉他比較信任服務比較親切 他們的服務很好的所以就覺得說後來這樣社群比較好過他們的服務好他們的服務好 大家有這個感覺好 我覺得這個也要成果 |
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去推動讓服務我們的長者更方便但是我在這邊要求還是我們的標準一定要一致因為讓長者讓高齡者可以繼續換照能夠繼續善務考慮到人安全也要考慮到其他人民的安全好不好好 以上 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:35.513000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:40.256000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我在此邀請陳政務次長。 |
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0.857 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:40.837000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:42.478000+08:00 |
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請次長。 |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:42.778000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:45.680000+08:00 |
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先請次長就好，之後再依序，謝謝。 |
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0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:46.100000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:46.280000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:47:47.161000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:48:44.229000+08:00 |
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針對今天道交條例的修法，我在此要先詢問交通部，當然毒品的問題，源頭處理最重要，我們今天與交通部所討論的修法，都是在做後續階段、善後的修法工作，毒品氾濫造成毒駕的問題，引起全國國人的注意，在這裡我看到交通部包括部長持續在媒體上發布也發言。 |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:48:46.851000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:48:53.615000+08:00 |
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交通部目前針對道交條例的修法，現在的進度在哪裡？ |
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1 |
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陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-25T10:48:54.716000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:48:56.518000+08:00 |
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你們的版本已經報行政院了嗎？ |
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0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-25T10:48:57.198000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:00.861000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，現在行政院已經送到大院。 |
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0.812 |
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陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:00.861000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:01.861000+08:00 |
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已經送到立法院了？ |
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0 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:01.221000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:04.023000+08:00 |
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是，所以我們希望能夠併在這次來一起…… |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:04.344000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:11.989000+08:00 |
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我們也期待併在這次，包括我們黨團、各委員所提出的修法版本，一起併案來處理。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:12.149000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:12.350000+08:00 |
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是，我們會加速處理。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:16.733000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:49:47.607000+08:00 |
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好，速度一定很重要，全國人民都在看，我過去常常看部長一直說、一直宣示，我覺得就像閩南話所講的「講甲規畚箕，做無一湯匙」，所以整個要大家一起來努力，這樣的速度……我們也期待，透過今天的詢答之後，未來我們在委員會時可以迅速討論。 |
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0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-25T10:49:47.627000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:50:28.797000+08:00 |
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在這裡我發覺一個問題，過去毒駕跟酒駕，只要不修法，他們是併在一起的，但目前有一個狀況，我看到很多版本把毒駕、酒駕單獨再拆開，就是毒駕的部分，包括罰款、吊照等等會比酒駕來得嚴格，因為吸食毒品本身就是犯法，所以我們現在就要修法，讓它有比較重的罰款。 |
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0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-25T10:50:29.858000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:51:05.970000+08:00 |
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但是現在有一個狀況，毒駕跟酒駕又併在一起，就是他喝酒又吸食毒品，一樣又在使用交通工具，對於這種情況，目前我們看到的統計資料真的很嚴重，從臺北到高雄，短短兩個月就有34位是毒駕加酒駕，吸食毒品又喝酒，然後酒駕又毒駕，會有這樣的情況。 |
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0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:51:06.770000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:51:47.592000+08:00 |
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這部分我想要了解，法務部謝參事有來，我在此也要請教法務部的意見，目前我們看到交通部的修法以及很多的版本，把毒駕、酒駕拆開，毒駕加重，但是我們現在就看到一個現象，毒駕又加酒駕，這樣的情況如果以目前行政罰法第二十四條第一項的規定，我們只能挑比較重的，就是他既酒駕又毒駕，我們修法通過，毒駕比較嚴重，我們就用毒駕的角度來處理。 |
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0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
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2026-06-25T10:51:48.372000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:51:59.585000+08:00 |
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我要問法務部的意見，他既毒駕又酒駕，酒駕也超過標準，又毒駕，這個有機會怎麼來處理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-25T10:51:59.585000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:01.268000+08:00 |
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可以更加重嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-25T10:52:01.428000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:02.669000+08:00 |
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法務部的意見如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-25T10:52:02.669000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:03.811000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:04.572000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:13.438000+08:00 |
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委員對行政罰法果然也相當了解，行政罰法第二十四條規定是，如果有一個行為觸犯數個行政法上的義務，就是從最重那個。 |
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0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-25T10:52:13.438000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:15.580000+08:00 |
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從最重，對不對？對。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:15.580000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:34.910000+08:00 |
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但這邊有兩個層面的問題要處理，一個是實務運作上，是不是把吸毒之後再駕車跟喝酒之後再駕車，這兩個行為評價成自然意義或法律意義上的一行為，可能需要一個比較分析、研究，才能斷定是不是適用第二十四條第一項從於重處罰的問題。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-25T10:52:37.151000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:48.838000+08:00 |
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第二個層面是，即便我們把他評價為一個行為，只能受一次最重的處罰，事實上，在裁罰標準裡面可以做不同的認定。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-25T10:52:49.558000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:57.543000+08:00 |
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我舉個例子，比如一級毒品跟二級毒品同時施用，事實上，刑法也只會處罰一個施用毒品罪。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
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2026-06-25T10:52:57.883000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:53:12.230000+08:00 |
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但是同時施用一、二級毒品在實務上一定會判比較重，因為同時施用兩種，雖然在法定的刑度裡面是適用最重的施用一級毒品，但是跟其他單純施用一級毒品比起來，他一定會比別的人重很多，如果他同時施用一、二級。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:12.610000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:53:17.692000+08:00 |
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我想這樣的道理應該也會貫穿在行政罰法一行為違反數個行政法上義務，而單獨只受一個處罰的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝參事志明 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:17.752000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:53:17.993000+08:00 |
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以上跟委員說明。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:18.413000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:53:19.633000+08:00 |
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針對這樣的狀況，謝謝法務部的說明。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:31.279000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-25T10:53:38.904000+08:00 |
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這個部分我也期待有機會大家再進一步討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:40.064000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:53:44.928000+08:00 |
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我們也看到毒駕加酒駕混在一起，再來一個狀況就是累犯，累犯罰不怕，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-25T10:53:44.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-25T10:54:10.705000+08:00 |
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無論怎麼罰，他還是累犯，就算吊銷他的執照，他還是繼續在毒駕、酒駕，所以我們現在要修法累加開罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.268 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-25T10:54:10.705000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:54:28.535000+08:00 |
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我們看到資料，有民眾累犯了兩次、三次、五次，最多累犯八次還是繼續在犯。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-25T10:54:29.576000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:54:41.542000+08:00 |
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在這個過程當中，除了我們有修法累計加罰之外，我也發覺到你們現在有公布累犯名單。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-25T10:54:44.526000+08:00 |
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2026-06-25T10:55:24.022000+08:00 |
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但是根據我的了解，進入公路局的網站要查公布名單，連結非常複雜，連結後要跳轉到其他各地區的監理單位再查詢，才會轉到公布名單，一直連結真的非常不方便，而且一般民眾也不會去查，所以我覺得目前公布累犯名單這樣的網站連結是非常不OK的。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:24.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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2026-06-25T10:55:33.595000+08:00 |
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我在這裡直接建議公路局應該要做一些調整，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:35.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-25T10:55:39.553000+08:00 |
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局長，累犯公布是不是由你們執行？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:41.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-25T10:55:46.478000+08:00 |
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累犯公布的部分是在各處罰機關，六都是在六都，十六縣市是在公路局。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:46.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-25T10:55:47.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
就公路局公布的方式，我們會來檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:47.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-25T10:55:48.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這個部分要檢討！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-25T10:55:48.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-25T10:56:18.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
法務部調查局公布通緝犯名單就很直接，這樣一頁式版面的網頁很方便、很直接，要查詢、了解這些累犯的名單就清清楚楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-25T10:56:19.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-25T10:56:24.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
那就誠如局長所談的，你們要改進，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-25T10:56:26.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-25T10:56:58.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
最後一點，剛好今天警政署也在這裡，我們從資料看到警察同仁在第一線追捕，不論過去的酒駕、現在的毒駕，因為臨檢或是發覺而要去圍捕、追捕，造成無辜民眾死亡或傷害員警的肢體安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-25T10:56:59.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-25T10:57:18.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
在這個過程當中，雖然強力執法，但我在這邊也要提醒警政署，要特別注意第一線同仁執勤、臨檢的安全，還有臨檢的技術等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-25T10:57:24.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-25T10:57:35.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
如果真的要去圍捕、追捕毒駕，安全還是第一，這個部分我在這邊特別提醒警政署，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳副組長朝新 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-25T10:57:38.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-25T10:57:39.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
謝謝委員的關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳副組長朝新 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-25T10:57:39.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-25T10:58:01.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
有關執勤的SOP跟員警執勤的安全是警政署最重視的，像毒駕的部分，我們有好幾位同仁都在英勇追擊的時候不小心受傷，土城則有一位所長殉職，這都是我們慘痛的經驗，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-25T10:58:01.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-25T10:58:24.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以我們現在修法越來越嚴，我看到這次修法各版本都很嚴，只要嚴，我跟你講，拒絕臨檢、想要逃逸的案子會越來越多，因為罰得太嚴，他一定跑，你就一定要追，狀況就來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-25T10:58:25.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-25T10:58:32.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
針對這樣的狀況，我覺得你們在精進執法跟SOP真的要特別注意，警政署要特別研擬。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳副組長朝新 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-25T10:58:32.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-25T10:58:34.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-25T10:58:34.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-25T10:59:10.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
最後我還有一點問題想要問交通部，有關高齡者滿70歲要換照，目前我在地方有看到監理站非常主動跟社區、里辦公處合作，方便長者不必到監理站，直接在社區的活動中心就能夠辦理換照。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-25T10:59:11.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-25T10:59:21.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我在我的選區也看到監理站跟在地的醫院配合來服務這些長者。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-25T10:59:22.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-25T10:59:47.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我提出在這個過程觀察到的幾個重點，我很認同這樣的方案，讓長者不必跑來跑去，畢竟長者要去監理站換照真的不方便，所以你們到地方服務。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.661 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-25T10:59:48.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:14.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
但是我也觀察到一個現象，在這個過程當中，長者在那邊進行身體檢查、接受交通安全講習，這些都OK後才換照，會不會變得比較好過、容易過、簡單過？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:14.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:15.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
跟委員報告，不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:14.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:14.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
確定不會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:14.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:16.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
不會，體格檢查的標準都是一致的。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:16.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:17.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
都一致嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:17.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:18.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
都是一樣的判斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:17.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:34.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
因為那天我問長者，他說：委員，我跟你說來這裡很方便，我們不用跑那麼遠，聽說在這裡比較不會那麼麻煩，有來報名，進行體檢，他們那個講習我們就坐在這裡聽一聽就OK了、就可以換照了。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.532 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:52.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-25T11:00:55.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以全國的標準、SOP會一樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-25T11:00:55.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:02.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
都一樣，跟委員報告，這裡面有2道程序，第一道程序就是體檢，體檢就是由醫師來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:02.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:03.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
對，體檢絕對OK。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林局長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:05.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:18.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
後面講習的部分，大家上完課了，也沒有什麼測驗要去評斷分數，就是有個免費2個小時的交通安全教育希望大家…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這個政策方向我絕對認同，我跟次長、局長說…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
委員，應該是說那個地方比較輕鬆，是里長辦的，所以大家比較熟悉。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
對，大家比較信任。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:21.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:22.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
服務比較親切，他們的服務很好，他們就會覺得來這裡比較好通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:22.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-25T11:01:22.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
就是因為他們服務好，所以大家才會有這個感受。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-25T11:01:23.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:08.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我覺得這個也要全國推動，讓我們的長者更方便，但是我在這邊要求我們的標準一定要一致，讓長者、高齡者能夠換照、繼續上路，考慮到他的安全外，也要考慮到其他人民的安全，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:09.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:10.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
以上，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:10.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:10.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:10.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:15.881857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
謝謝陳清龍委員的發言，謝謝次長、各位官員。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:16.181857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:18.753286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們現在先休息10分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:19.053286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:20.196143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
休息（11時2分） |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:20.496143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:22.210429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
繼續開會（11時12分） |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:22.510429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:23.653286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-25T11:02:23.953286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-25T11:02:27.096143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
接下來請邱若華委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
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478 |
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陳委員清龍：（10時47分）謝謝主席，我在此邀請陳政務次長。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：請次長。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
陳委員清龍：先請次長就好，之後再依序，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
陳次長彥伯：委員好。 |
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陳委員清龍：針對今天道交條例的修法，我在此要先詢問交通部，當然毒品的問題，源頭處理最重要，我們今天與交通部所討論的修法，都是在做後續階段、善後的修法工作，毒品氾濫造成毒駕的問題，引起全國國人的注意，在這裡我看到交通部包括部長持續在媒體上發布也發言。交通部目前針對道交條例的修法，現在的進度在哪裡？你們的版本已經報行政院了嗎？ |
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陳次長彥伯：跟委員報告，現在行政院已經送到大院。 |
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陳委員清龍：已經送到立法院了？ |
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陳次長彥伯：是，所以我們希望能夠併在這次來一起…… |
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陳委員清龍：我們也期待併在這次，包括我們黨團、各委員所提出的修法版本，一起併案來處理。 |
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陳次長彥伯：是，我們會加速處理。 |
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陳委員清龍：好，速度一定很重要，全國人民都在看，我過去常常看部長一直說、一直宣示，我覺得就像閩南話所講的「講甲規畚箕，做無一湯匙」，所以整個要大家一起來努力，這樣的速度……我們也期待，透過今天的詢答之後，未來我們在委員會時可以迅速討論。 |
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在這裡我發覺一個問題，過去毒駕跟酒駕，只要不修法，他們是併在一起的，但目前有一個狀況，我看到很多版本把毒駕、酒駕單獨再拆開，就是毒駕的部分，包括罰款、吊照等等會比酒駕來得嚴格，因為吸食毒品本身就是犯法，所以我們現在就要修法，讓它有比較重的罰款。但是現在有一個狀況，毒駕跟酒駕又併在一起，就是他喝酒又吸食毒品，一樣又在使用交通工具，對於這種情況，目前我們看到的統計資料真的很嚴重，從臺北到高雄，短短兩個月就有34位是毒駕加酒駕，吸食毒品又喝酒，然後酒駕又毒駕，會有這樣的情況。 |
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這部分我想要了解，法務部謝參事有來，我在此也要請教法務部的意見，目前我們看到交通部的修法以及很多的版本，把毒駕、酒駕拆開，毒駕加重，但是我們現在就看到一個現象，毒駕又加酒駕，這樣的情況如果以目前行政罰法第二十四條第一項的規定，我們只能挑比較重的，就是他既酒駕又毒駕，我們修法通過，毒駕比較嚴重，我們就用毒駕的角度來處理。我要問法務部的意見，他既毒駕又酒駕，酒駕也超過標準，又毒駕，這個有機會怎麼來處理嗎？可以更加重嗎？法務部的意見如何？ |
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謝參事志明：謝謝委員的垂詢。委員對行政罰法果然也相當了解，行政罰法第二十四條規定是，如果有一個行為觸犯數個行政法上的義務，就是從最重那個。 |
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陳委員清龍：從最重，對不對？ |
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謝參事志明：對。但這邊有兩個層面的問題要處理，一個是實務運作上，是不是把吸毒之後再駕車跟喝酒之後再駕車，這兩個行為評價成自然意義或法律意義上的一行為，可能需要一個比較分析、研究，才能斷定是不是適用第二十四條第一項從於重處罰的問題。第二個層面是，即便我們把他評價為一個行為，只能受一次最重的處罰，事實上，在裁罰標準裡面可以做不同的認定。我舉個例子，比如一級毒品跟二級毒品同時施用，事實上，刑法也只會處罰一個施用毒品罪。但是同時施用一、二級毒品在實務上一定會判比較重，因為同時施用兩種，雖然在法定的刑度裡面是適用最重的施用一級毒品，但是跟其他單純施用一級毒品比起來，他一定會比別的人重很多，如果他同時施用一、二級。我想這樣的道理應該也會貫穿在行政罰法一行為違反數個行政法上義務，而單獨只受一個處罰的狀況。以上跟委員說明。 |
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陳委員清龍：針對這樣的狀況，謝謝法務部的說明。這個部分我也期待有機會大家再進一步討論。我們也看到毒駕加酒駕混在一起，再來一個狀況就是累犯，累犯罰不怕，你知道嗎？無論怎麼罰，他還是累犯，就算吊銷他的執照，他還是繼續在毒駕、酒駕，所以我們現在要修法累加開罰。我們看到資料，有民眾累犯了兩次、三次、五次，最多累犯八次還是繼續在犯。在這個過程當中，除了我們有修法累計加罰之外，我也發覺到你們現在有公布累犯名單。但是根據我的了解，進入公路局的網站要查公布名單，連結非常複雜，連結後要跳轉到其他各地區的監理單位再查詢，才會轉到公布名單，一直連結真的非常不方便，而且一般民眾也不會去查，所以我覺得目前公布累犯名單這樣的網站連結是非常不OK的。我在這裡直接建議公路局應該要做一些調整，好不好？局長，累犯公布是不是由你們執行？ |
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林局長福山：累犯公布的部分是在各處罰機關，六都是在六都，十六縣市是在公路局。就公路局公布的方式，我們會來檢討。 |
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陳委員清龍：這個部分要檢討！法務部調查局公布通緝犯名單就很直接，這樣一頁式版面的網頁很方便、很直接，要查詢、了解這些累犯的名單就清清楚楚。那就誠如局長所談的，你們要改進，好不好？ |
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最後一點，剛好今天警政署也在這裡，我們從資料看到警察同仁在第一線追捕，不論過去的酒駕、現在的毒駕，因為臨檢或是發覺而要去圍捕、追捕，造成無辜民眾死亡或傷害員警的肢體安全。在這個過程當中，雖然強力執法，但我在這邊也要提醒警政署，要特別注意第一線同仁執勤、臨檢的安全，還有臨檢的技術等等。如果真的要去圍捕、追捕毒駕，安全還是第一，這個部分我在這邊特別提醒警政署，好不好？ |
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陳副組長朝新：謝謝委員的關心。有關執勤的SOP跟員警執勤的安全是警政署最重視的，像毒駕的部分，我們有好幾位同仁都在英勇追擊的時候不小心受傷，土城則有一位所長殉職，這都是我們慘痛的經驗，謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員清龍：所以我們現在修法越來越嚴，我看到這次修法各版本都很嚴，只要嚴，我跟你講，拒絕臨檢、想要逃逸的案子會越來越多，因為罰得太嚴，他一定跑，你就一定要追，狀況就來了。針對這樣的狀況，我覺得你們在精進執法跟SOP真的要特別注意，警政署要特別研擬。 |
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陳副組長朝新：好，謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員清龍：最後我還有一點問題想要問交通部，有關高齡者滿70歲要換照，目前我在地方有看到監理站非常主動跟社區、里辦公處合作，方便長者不必到監理站，直接在社區的活動中心就能夠辦理換照。我在我的選區也看到監理站跟在地的醫院配合來服務這些長者。我提出在這個過程觀察到的幾個重點，我很認同這樣的方案，讓長者不必跑來跑去，畢竟長者要去監理站換照真的不方便，所以你們到地方服務。但是我也觀察到一個現象，在這個過程當中，長者在那邊進行身體檢查、接受交通安全講習，這些都OK後才換照，會不會變得比較好過、容易過、簡單過？ |
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林局長福山：跟委員報告，不會。 |
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陳委員清龍：確定不會嗎？ |
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林局長福山：不會，體格檢查的標準都是一致的。 |
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陳委員清龍：都一致嗎？ |
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林局長福山：都是一樣的判斷。 |
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陳委員清龍：因為那天我問長者，他說：委員，我跟你說來這裡很方便，我們不用跑那麼遠，聽說在這裡比較不會那麼麻煩，有來報名，進行體檢，他們那個講習我們就坐在這裡聽一聽就OK了、就可以換照了。所以全國的標準、SOP會一樣嗎？ |
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林局長福山：都一樣，跟委員報告，這裡面有2道程序，第一道程序就是體檢，體檢就是由醫師來處理。 |
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陳委員清龍：對，體檢絕對OK。 |
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林局長福山：後面講習的部分，大家上完課了，也沒有什麼測驗要去評斷分數，就是有個免費2個小時的交通安全教育希望大家…… |
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陳委員清龍：這個政策方向我絕對認同，我跟次長、局長說…… |
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陳次長彥伯：委員，應該是說那個地方比較輕鬆，是里長辦的，所以大家比較熟悉。 |
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陳委員清龍：對，大家比較信任。 |
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陳次長彥伯：服務比較親切，他們的服務很好，他們就會覺得來這裡比較好通過。就是因為他們服務好，所以大家才會有這個感受。 |
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陳委員清龍：我覺得這個也要全國推動，讓我們的長者更方便，但是我在這邊要求我們的標準一定要一致，讓長者、高齡者能夠換照、繼續上路，考慮到他的安全外，也要考慮到其他人民的安全，好不好？以上，謝謝。 |
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陳次長彥伯：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝陳清龍委員的發言，謝謝次長、各位官員。 |
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我們現在先休息10分鐘。 |
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休息（11時2分） |
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繼續開會（11時12分） |
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主席：繼續開會。 |
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接下來請邱若華委員發言。 |
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336 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-5-23-20 |
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黃健豪 |
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張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
洪孟楷 |
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林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
陳清龍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
李昆澤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
許智傑 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳素月 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
傅崐萁 |
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283 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-06-25 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1155502 |
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1155502_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台
灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等 19 人、
四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17 人、六、委員林思銘等22 人、七、委員洪孟楷等21
人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交
通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處
罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人
擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十
三、委員涂權吉等19 人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草
案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16 人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案
（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1155502_00002 |