| IVOD_ID |
170144 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170144 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-25T10:32:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-25T10:47:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5296dbcedce5686e657ce95d8c4b4687ce82a3a0a2afbeedb34cba3dd815ff04e744949ebbc1455f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:07 - 10:47:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等19人、四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17人、六、委員林思銘等22人、七、委員洪孟楷等21人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十三、委員涂權吉等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；第二案、第七案至第十案、第十二案及第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查；第六案及第十一案如經院會復議，則不予審查】【6月24日及25日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳次長好 請次長防務部謝參事也請我們警政署交通組陳副組長好 請陳副組長委員好好這個因為應該是上個禮拜吧18號 |
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我又看到卓院長的一個反讀宣誓的一個記者會其實我的真的心情是感慨比感動多啦我不知道我們所有的國民朋友看到這樣是什麼感覺因為第一個我特別想到印象深刻因為那一年2020年我第一次擔任立委從地方到中央不久之後 |
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就看到當時我們蘇院長行政院在109年9月29號真的正式發布第一次106年到109年也是我們小英政府的他認為第一期推動新世代反讀策略1.0大有成就成效著住那天的這個新聞稿 |
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新興毒品吸食人數大幅降低超過三成已經發揮了遏止的成效還在新聞 還在行政院的網頁上還沒這樣哇 發揮成效投入了一百億啊用的方法是什麼 阻毒源我們就是阻絕這些毒品的原料在境外哇塞 我們結果到了五六年之後我們記者還在講這些廢話 |
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那時候就已經喊過了 成功了 我們主獨原強力查緝所以106年到109年 成效卓著所以為什麼感慨啊那114年開始 所以當天又宣示因為前四年成效卓著 我們乘勝追擊接下來4年到113年 我們的策略是跨部會 跨地方 跨領域 整體作戰 |
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要斷毒三流金流人流跟物流毒品我告訴你現在讓我們人民的感覺這三流啊物流毒品滿街跑欣欣向柔不管是毒品的產業甚至私用毒品的個人 |
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人數大幅增加那不要講說經由 到底做什麼東西啊投入150億那我們再看看成績喔第二期第一期大有成就有109年宣誓之後從110年我們就看獨駕移送獨駕移送的人數從一年4346位到113年第二期喔結束那一年成長了60倍我先請法務部 |
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法務部 你說明一下因為我看了那個文章一千五六百字文情並茂文情並茂我是真的很感動又很感慨因為當天109年那個文章因為我看是法務部教育部就是可能又組成國家隊你們領銜發的最後一句話讓我最感動但現在也很感慨說 |
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我們這樣的二期作為之後我們使毒害遠離 人民安居樂業讓台灣防毒如同防疫 成為世界之光 |
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你們覺得現在是被打耳光啊法務部你們當時這樣到底發生什麼事就你的角度啊你的見解我想這是一個很複雜的問題但是我看到當年你們這樣的第二期防治成效結果如何有沒有如同防疫成為世界之光法務部你說一下現在狀況 |
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謝謝主席 謝謝委員的垂詢那其實針對這個毒品作戰這個議題跟毒品的作戰本來就是一個長期的一個過程那當中大會是起伏啦那早年我們其實在 |
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取締新興毒品上面在屢次獲得一些成效但必須說依托民脊的流行其實是最近這幾年的事情那因為它的快速的散播性那以及在年輕人在搭配電子菸之後整個情勢又整個又要燒上來那其實不管是我們華部以及我們小校所下來排高檢的部分其實都針對新興毒品的防治其實都有不停的在滾動檢討提出相關的這個防治的措施 |
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我要謝謝陳先生因為畢竟今天你們來的也不是部長次長要你回答太廣泛的問題對你也不公平但是就我們回頭看109年那個宣誓就好像上個禮拜院長講的差不多然後等於是大失敗大失敗暴政但你們要注意一下因為113年正好是賴金德總統上任那一年發生了什麼事呢113年 |
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比四年前暴增了六十倍結果14年呢14年全年暴增到兩百倍光是這個獨駕的事件變成八千多件今年的前五個月 |
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跟去年比較又差不多多六倍你知道嗎我很難想像很難想像我們希望現在大家提醒全力防範在今年是能夠看出成效的不然這樣的發展下去今年可能是明年的再兩到三倍這是非常非常嚴重的那我們請次長 |
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市長其實今天我們這個在獨駕發生這樣一個嚴重的事情我們所有國民都非常痛恨那在這樣的一個情況之下現在盜交條例未來的刑法跟危險罪可能包括毒品危害防治條例 |
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三法齊發從行政到刑法到毒品的專法希望能夠有效去前置但是我擔心是說這些法規又不是一天兩天的又不是一天兩天的那我就請教一下你自己看這個毒價的這樣的一個事件快速增加的 您說快速增加的主要理由 您說一下 |
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我想剛才參事有特別提到其實就是一些新興毒品的快速的在國內蔓延所以有關毒價的問題會有這樣的一個情形然後最主要是查緝的方式剛才也特別提到警政署也特別提到他們用唾液快篩的方式所以可以很快的把這樣的有毒價的行為的架繩找出來所以也造成了這個可以看到這樣的一個件數一直在攀高是 |
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市長跟警政署我是覺得其實我們很多一個政策到最後都很辛苦很悲哀都是最後一關末端在補破網你根本也補不上追不及每次移民署看那幾個移民官在追這個外籍的逃跑移工 |
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因為前端沒人管後面你們就拼命所以按照道理我們現在嚴懲獨駕其實在某種的一個角度是表示我們漏洞太大了前面源頭是完全沒有把什麼阻絕毒品原料於境外沒有一件源頭做到了所以我們今天警政署的我們交通組的 |
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包括你們在這只有在獨駕但是你們獨駕只能抓一個辦一個啦抓一個辦一個我們希望還是要有整體的一個績效那當然上四年代 |
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就是剛剛說的一堆彌子新興毒品但是新興毒品事實上你們這兩年兩年來從三級毒品現在把它變成一級毒品這個是要法務部再來說一下那個是確實要變成一級毒品這樣的腐爛使用那兩年前兩年前你們沒有感覺到這種威脅 |
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沒有我們希望這樣好不好我們有政府會做事我們國民都會尤其防毒這檔事有一堆人擋在前面密不透風密不透風這是國民的想法不是我的想法嘛那就請問一下兩年前你完全無法預設到這樣情況當時法務部的一個你們主導這個事情的立場把他列在三級毒品的想法是這樣是不是你說一下 |
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跟委員報告好了其實列為幾級毒品這個事情其實有個機制在跑那在法部底下設一個審議會這審議會的相關專家學者會就他毒品的危害性所以你們幾級毒品主要的幾個原則是什麼你說一下大原則 |
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其實會按照這個毒品它的危害性跟它的成癮性還有它的可能造成的這個危險性它目前的社會的關注度有多高那依透明池因為這幾年確實濫用狀況有比較嚴重所以它在我們最近已經審議會已經通過然後有報行政院這邊要把它提升為第一級毒品那相對應的提升毒品之後它相對應的就是它的處罰的刑責不管在施用或是散布或是販賣上面都會有大幅的提升 |
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好我知道那我們來看看齁你剛剛特別講的他的腐爛的程度幾個指標那我們現在看到所有的毒品毒價是有具體資料警政署提供的是最腐爛的目前最嚴重的而且不是新興的是很早時代用到現在的 |
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是安非他命安非他命就是在獨家驗出來是75%那第二名當然是一拖米子當然因為第二名的話他是會斷片的那很嚴重啊那這樣的一個幅度的話第二名的以%數以氾濫程度來看獨家的這個部分你們沒有一併討論安非他命嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為這個的認定必須還是要報到省議會這邊來處理那因為我本人也不是省議會的成員所以我不曉得就安非他命的部分是不是另有其他的考量好 當然謝謝陳三世因為今天要你回答這些事情我也覺得你很辛苦可是我覺得有一件事情 對新聞到哪裡我們就做到哪裡因為三年前沒有新聞它就三級毒品了 |
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沒有預測不需要我專業預測不需要完全沒有判斷能力的結果其實民眾都在看啦那當然我覺得因為三法可能歧修都是非常非常嚴重我們覺得一定要快希望從法例即使在末端告訴別人這是非常嚴重的 |
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你包括能夠反過來回饋從獨家引發的修法能夠促使能夠施打毒品的人少能夠倒過來變成一個良性的一個循環我覺得所以修法要快要遠不過因為修法業也有這個嚴謹度你知道執法的嚴謹度那這個部分請交通部喔尤其法務部啊尤其在第一線的我們員警同仁啊你說很多的一個訊息 |
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很多的一個制度現在你們的快篩試劑快篩試劑警政署來一下嘛叫上來都沒講話快篩試劑快篩試劑是不是各縣市警察局自行小額採購目前的狀態 |
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目前有各縣市警察局做小額採購OK但你好 我是提醒你喔提醒你喔所以小額採購之後我們全台灣頭到中昌頭到屏東那一頭大家用的東西都不一樣喔真的不一樣喔以前我們快篩疫情的時候真的有些比較OK 有些不OK有些驗出有有些驗出可以當場驗出沒有的所以這個部分警政署你們必須 |
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考量清楚包括交通部包括法務部你們為了公平執法執法的嚴謹度要嚴可是你們如果有人買五合一有人七合一現在最好的十合一然後驗出來第一個是逃脫率 |
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逃脫力我們問了很多一個專家包括我們警界的好朋友他說其實現在七合一的大概有5%是驗不太出來的5%驗不出來我今天沒有時間我也不講包括有一些化學層次變一下甚至有一些像骨科檢有些東西驗不出來有一些像 |
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這個什麼蘑菇啊因為快篩沒辦法去做搖頭丸因為在口水中的濃度它的運作的一個方式所以你當然要執法的時候未來可能刑法公務委員在修你搞不好動輒出一點事情是十年以上的這個的部分那你知道嗎因為我用的毒品不一樣而且我沒事 |
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我沒事 你知道這會發生什麼事嗎就是喔 哪幾種毒品是我們快篩驗不出來的所以我想這個部分當然因為科技的問題我在那邊講不是說誰對誰不對但是我覺得這種統一要執法了你的快篩你們要有一個實驗室去針對於 |
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我們國內哪一些符合你們執法標準的快篩你們選兩三種品牌出來供我們地方政府的警察局去採購這樣會比較一致嘛不然大家品牌不一有些敏感度精確度不一樣這個部分朝這個方向有沒有想法朝這個方向來做還是各搞各的 |
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我們目前所使用的那個脫塞試劑的部分是還是以那個兩種的脫塞試劑為最主要的對嘛 為主嘛那如果他不為主也可以採購嘛為輔的也可以採購嘛當你採購你個別採購的話你們現在到地方政府他個別採購我要請你注意喔如果採購的到底能不能符合未來執法的一個標準 |
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包括偽陽性造成無辜的人偽陰性造成逃脫的人都是不行的這樣的事後所以第一線的我們你們自己員警同仁或者我們交通部甚至未來法務部在執法的這個部分都會成為後續的一個困擾我希望你們自己警政署甚至法務部你們總是要你們就是 |
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你們要保證喔這個快篩劑出了什麼問題你不要推給地方政府喔你買錯了買不對我最怕後面來這一套因為法律修嚴了你這種測試的標準基準廣度跟精確度你們都要有這樣的實驗室配合要人來保證這是我給你們建議希望你們帶回去參考好不好謝謝 |