| IVOD_ID |
170136 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170136 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-25T10:30:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-25T10:42:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5296dbcedce5686e3f661fba6131218609d298f9b89000c687f17b75dbce2a9c4bf6fd8005bdee605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:04 - 10:42:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、考試院秘書長、監察院秘書長、法務部部長、公平交易委員會、國家通訊傳播委員會、中央選舉委員會針對「我國憲政機關、獨立機關首長代理制度之現況與精進」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝召委來我現在有請以下幾位苦主司法院高秘書長考試院劉秘書長監察院黃秘書長法務部政務部長公平交易委員會主任秘書國家通訊傳播委員會主任秘書中選會主任秘書這都苦主啦 |
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我想今天要來就教幾位其實我們一般在談 今天的專報其實也有它的一個意義在這個召委也煞費苦心立法院的人事的一個同意權我相信大家都會肯認到就是說他其實同意權是要建立一個民主的正當性他倒也不是任何一方可以來去做一個壟斷 |
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那本來憲法的一個設計就是一個相互的一個制衡的一個機制就是說總統呢 你享有對於人事的一個任命權程序權的一個發動跟人選如何來做一個形成但是呢 立法院是透過審查跟統一權行使來展現這樣的一個民主的正當性可是我看到啊 我想要說你們口主高祕書長 四萬大法官你們現在缺了幾個人 |
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檢察總長法務部部長 |
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立法院這個同意權沒有過的話 到最後又變代理啦通傳會的部分你們是幾個 四位嘛 你們四位啦所以你們主委也代理嘛 你們也代理中選會選三位 但是你們主委現在就有人了嘛 |
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市委已經就任了所以你看嘛 說有好誰的 大家比較好比較容易去通過 |
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考試院建新秘書長 你們那邊也有缺額我們當時委員提七位 有一位沒有過關所以你們這樣欠幾個欠一位一個所以你看 這實在是監察院 監察院這個再來好玩監察院我看再來黃士卓秘書長 你想大位喔全部都卸任嘛 |
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希望大院能夠通過 希望大院能夠通過讓這個職權能夠繼續來進行所以這個也麻煩 你知道全部都變零 |
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哇 這個好玩喔 人事同意權喔 我們一直在講說其實它是一個制衡那倒不是一個 倒就是形成我們立法院這邊變成一個癱瘓啦這個就非常可惜啦 就是總統去提名 立法院來行使這樣的一個 |
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審查 同意是共同來完成憲法的一個設計這各位其實也不用去長篇大論大家都很清楚人事同意權其實就是建立在一個民主的正當性不是任何一方可以來壟斷不然我如果壟斷我總統提名我就要跪不可能立法院到最後只要誰 |
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人數比較多 那我就把你給否決掉那同意權的一個行使 那本來就可以 我就不要可是問題如果全部是你送過來 我全部都不要那就是造成這樣 就是癱瘓我的問題會跟別人比較不一樣在座幾位苦主 你們有沒有什麼好的良方秘書長 來 |
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要問我 這真的是總統跟貴院一定要去折衝協力我們只能這樣等待而已這也很麻煩 折衝 你說折衝又叫什麼 協力這有說嗎 沒有說啊因為這個就是一個憲政體制我們有折衝啊 我們折衝之後就變熟了 |
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啊出來的結果就是你們全部都缺啊來 劉建新考試院的 你們的比較少嘛你有什麼補嗎其實當初我們的狀況當然也是經過各種溝通啦所以我想我的答案大概跟高明處長不會有太大的差別這個就很麻煩啦在野黨一定去跟你講說喔我這個就是在落實權力的制衡啦我們一直說都不會通過就是在癱瘓啦兩方講法就是如此 |
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你們都不喜歡嗎?你們都不建議?不,給我們建議,給我們立法院建議,不要立法院來,立法院我跟你講,現在就是執政黨,賴總統提了什麼?立法院這邊就是,不用說那麼多啦,不會送啦,都不會過啦。制衡嘛,講的就是制衡嘛。到最後的結果就是癱瘓嘛。 |
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你會覺得人質同意權不是制衡的一個工具變成癱瘓國家的一個武器可是現狀就是如此會造成一個空轉今天的專報我是認為是讓大家去想凸顯這樣的一個問題就不用去罵 |
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罵說這個人選好不好不用去罵說立法院那為什麼全部都是否決掉各方講法會有所不同但立法院是比較會招人詬病的地方就是連審查都不審查這是立法院我們自己有缺失的一個地方可是這造成一個問題部長 |
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你像現在法界 或者說秘書長這法界它也造成一個寒蟬的一個效應啊每一批一批一批這樣被封殺完以後大家就想說 欸 後一批是不是我們會被擺脫掉這個也很好玩喔這個有時候不用送到立法院來 不用全面對決我猜我就可以猜得到因為的確是 我們機構有徵詢包括總長人選我們都有徵詢 沒人有意願 |
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真的意願很低因為所以就變成說因為要總長要提名一定要去有一個德高望重品德學經歷非常的豐富而且在檢察官的威望有一定的聲望威望所以這部分很可惜那次的提名我們是沒有或實在是非常可惜 |
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那現在這樣的話我們都有想過這個問題但是要提誰總是要醫院每個都拒絕那變成說一個我們也是很困擾的一個問題 |
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總統要提名,一定會問過你們他那個一定會有徵詢一些,譬如推薦徵詢嘛是嘛,是像譬如說選卷小組推薦小組,一定要有一個,好像一個題庫一樣這些哪一些人才,譬如說我要十個我可能去問初八、二十個,或是從這裡來選,看什麼人不錯還是怎麼樣 |
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你不然他最近不該管啦因為德高望重啦學術在學界有聲望啦我想在學術有聲望跟那個在俗上或學界上會有聲望如果提名被否決這個是所以在業界裡面那是那是我想大概不願意自己以他自己來講不願意看到這種的結果啦 |
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你有安的想法就不是如此喔你有安的想法 你很有聲望 你很有學術成就我理都不理你 我連審查我都不給你審查這就變成意氣之爭啦 說實在話現在就變成一個意氣之爭我的意思是說 如何去 這個互信完全都不夠 你們也看得出來 |
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各位苦主裡面看得最清楚,看得很多人都在點頭啊,就是草野之間沒有互信嘛,沒有辦法來合作嘛,不然共同來推薦其實都是很好的一個方式啊,問題連共同推薦大家都不要啊,所以就是說這個互信沒有辦法去建立,尤其像中選會那是很獨立的一個機關, |
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任何人來 當中選會委員 誰能 你說他會站在什麼藍的立場 綠的立場 誰敢就是把那個選務去把它做好這高度的一個獨立的一個機關 到最後也是變成這樣不會過就是因為你不會過啊所以很麻煩 麻煩如此啊 檢察總長如此啊所以顯然 總部長你這裡也沒有報還有什麼人沒有報 那個監察院 黃士卓秘書長 |
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監察院的立場 其實我們會認為在司法院大法官的判決裡面 釋字632號裡面說得很清楚總統以及立法院都負有忠誠義務 |
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也就在這個審理的過程提名跟審查的過程那我們會這樣子來看就是監察院總共提名有七類七款的規定那有七類的相關的專業那這相關的專業我相信在立法院審查的過程也期待立法院大院能夠針對這些專業對於這些提名人做忠誠的審查 |
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所以我想這是一個最重要的一個我們要建議的方向 |
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對一半 這個在2024年以前講這些話都通過了2024 520以後憲法法庭理論上來講大法官做出來的這些判決憲法法庭的一個判決本來是各個憲政機關本來都要收到約束連那個都是老百姓的權利義務很好的一個 |
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一個指引啦可是呢你現在去講憲法法庭的一個判決大家視而不見就會很麻煩這個就會變成大家相互毀滅 |
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我們本來是一個監督是一個制衡的一個地方憲政的設計本來也是如此可是走到現在大家我看你們起來都垂頭喪氣老百姓期待的其實就是立法院是一個權力的一個制衡憲政機關的一個設計本來也是如此不是大家相互來做一個毀滅還是完全都是杯葛否則這個國家怎麼樣的運轉下去 |
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我都覺得有點擔心啦你們沒有一四人都做官啦我們也沒有一四人都全部在做這個立法院啦所以有時候我就會想說立法院到底怎麼了怎麼大家在相互毀滅這個就非常的一個不好顯然你們也沒有補啦但是至少凸顯出來這樣的一個專報就是說立法院本來是一個 |
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按照憲政設計 它本來要建立一個民主的正當性我們是要來監督 我們是要來制衡我們不全然是要來毀滅說 哎 這是執政黨的 因為你選贏我我討厭你 國會剛好我多數全部都是杯葛 這個都是一場災難啊但是顯然 各位沒有更好的解方各位有沒有解方的 願意自告奮勇的都沒有 |
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檢查會也沒有 卡車會也沒有 司法會也沒有 通常會也沒有 公平會也沒有 中學會也沒有沒有答案了 這讓社會去評價 大家辛苦啦苦主 但是還是要努力啦 謝謝 |