| IVOD_ID |
170074 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170074 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T11:31:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T11:50:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ac5d42f4fd98837a3b7144879ba7dbdd552618e67150a9fcd9c0d608a48191861a911ee759332f825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:43 - 11:50:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員林月琴等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第十一條、第十二條及第三十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員葉元之等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員黃仁等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員張嘉郡等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員羅廷瑋等22人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員羅智強等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十三)委員鄭正鈐等17人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十四)委員林倩綺等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十五)委員廖先翔等16人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十六)委員王育敏等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十七)委員王育敏等21人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第四十三條及第五十二條條文修正 草案」案。
(十八)委員廖偉翔等23人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(十九)委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(二十)委員李彥秀等19人擬具「幼兒教育及照顧法第七條條文修正草案」案。
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有請部長有請部長 |
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委員好好部長簡單扼要探討幾個問題因為前面委員也都常常在跟你在探討這些問題我們找出問題解決辦法現在針對這一份我們116年學校青年服刑動員準備分類計劃網路上刊登出來以後當然家長華蘭 |
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之前有特別提到這個您有說全面停用那我認為在這一次啊又把它移花接木又再一次的補上我覺得這個部分就是在騙台灣的家長這個我覺得你們現階段應該要說清楚講明白那當然 |
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之前國防部也有說那如果有疑慮甚至沒有什麼實際的作為的話這個部分應該就直接把它廢除可惜最後沒有看到廢除反而有出現了116年這樣子的一個計畫我覺得教育部現在說法是只是防災啦我覺得作為一個教育部長我們希望 |
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這些文字用語能夠更加的清楚明瞭不要讓人民在恐慌當中所以請你誠實的回答我們全台灣百萬家長喔我認為有幾個問題第一為什麼防災計畫要直接綁定國軍一級加強戒備 |
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這些我們往後看他也有提到二級的部分當然我們也會講到你剛剛所說的你們的文字用語那為什麼國軍一級戒備學校就要開設青年報導站進行編組分配勤務這不是動員什麼是動員 |
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所以我想第三當時你跟我們說會停用現在又說又有116年的一個計畫當然剛剛你們有說啊這裡面有提到一句關鍵的用語你們說軍警勤務排除在外這我以上這都你們寫的你們用的用字遣詞我都幫你們補上了我認為不夠白話文 |
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你為什麼不直接寫更清楚相關暫時所陰陰道的這些用語直接寫上去都全面排除 |
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不要寫得這麼不清不楚那我們看到這邊有一級加強戒備二級加強戒備青年報導站開設演練然後鼓勵青年各項演練當然也有寫到救濟的部分後勤的部分但是我想這些東西有提到動員都會讓家長非常非常的擔憂所以具體的問題請你回答 |
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這116年度的學校青年扶擒動員準備分類計畫可不可以寫得更加直白可不可以寫得讓家長更加安心可以嗎跟立委報告不好意思因為我們的這個青年扶擒計畫它其實是依照權動法有要求說我們要訂這樣的一個計畫那所以我們相關的用戶也有依照像國安會還有國防部權動署他那邊我知道 |
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剛剛有稍微解釋了依據法令嘛所以剛剛有委員講了權動法也有寫嘛支援所謂的戰情任務的時候這部分會讓大家有所疑慮嘛那你說因為你的用語都是因為這個國安這邊給你的建議但是我們是可以有一個解釋版嘛白話文版嘛 |
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我們之後會再跟那個相關的單位就是做一個反應就是未來的計畫的內容是不是可以讓我們再寫得更清楚明確一點讓家長可以安心這樣子所以再一次的請教部長 |
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確定一下我們是全面排除任何戰情業務這些不會讓孩子上戰場是嗎本來這一個前途法的一個精神高中生這些未滿18歲本來他就是這樣一個目的我知道我現在就問你嘛你就直接回答我嘛好不好沒有問題的可以喔他事實上就沒有涉及到這一個所謂的 |
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軍隊跟警察的一些情況我想大家家長會擔憂所以我們一定要問清楚講明白啦我想教育部在這個部分也做了很多的一些說明也感謝委員在世的幫我們澄清第二個 |
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我要看到我們後面這個議題有關於幼兒教育照顧法今天我們本週一的時候下午也有召開這樣子的一個公聽會現場有許多的團體來發表意見有幾個問題想跟你請教一下我們先看PPT我想補助的差距跟教育選擇的受限 |
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以及不只是現在我們為了這個校事會議我們現在看到教保現場也有許多的誤解壓力升高這個問題你有掌握到嗎 |
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我們一直在朝好的方向在譬如說剛才跟另外委員報告我們事實上延長課後的一個照顧包含這個寒暑假也納進來包含減少學生人數私生筆等等的有許多的配套的措施部長有做一個讚但做的不多 |
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不會不多啦真的全面因為這個還是跟地方政府可能每個人的標準不同啦對你來說你覺得很多啦對第一現場所有的老師對我們民意代表我覺得不多啦好不好各自解讀沒有關係但是我要講的是現場狀況就是如此剛剛有委員也提到啊我們在講嘛補助差距會不會公幼沒有人讀那你知道為什麼現階段很多公幼許多家長不選擇嗎你知道嗎 |
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當然就是剛才我想跟私有他課後的延長就課後延長的問題嘛那當然你們有提出相關的計畫希望鼓勵他們來把這個部分補上嘛但實際的狀況我上個禮拜接受媒體採訪私底下跟媒體在聊天也關心他他說他抽到公托了 |
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我恭喜他他說他可能要放棄了很簡單嘛因為他就是沒有採用這個課後延拖的部分嘛所以他沒有辦法他只好到失託嘛所以這就是有現在的不管是輔助差距造成教育選擇的受限嘛所以實際我們幾個希望你能夠具體的回應我們下一張PTT |
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教育的補助要逐步的平權這部分就是今天我們要來探討的那國民黨也很負責任的我們希望建立整個完整的0到6歲家庭支持計畫政策但就現在你的一個報告裡面你也有寫到初步方向是認同但是後續希望有更多討論機會形成共識對吧 |
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當這一個如果不違反這一個財政紀律因為我們確實中央跟地方是合作的這一個部分我想我們還是要跟地方先所以我現在先問你中間這一題成立教保的調和委員會他就像是調解單位 |
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車禍前進法院先調解但是教保的調和需要專業的教保人士來成立這樣子的一個組織有這樣子的教保調和委員會你可以認同嗎可不可以直接回答我可不可以認同 |
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謝謝趙偉提的這個建議那目前這個師生調和的這個案件的機制那我們看到有一個縣市他在研擬這樣一個配套 高雄市校士會議他們也說校士會議前有一個什麼調和機制這個委員所提的教保的部分是不是也要納入 |
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跟委員報告剛剛您提的是一個構想但現在都沒有在中央的部分都沒有所以我說希望你們研擬啊不要只讓各縣市自己做嘛中央為主然後給予這樣子的一個指引鼓勵地方都要做這有沒有機會研擬一下非常感謝昭偉直接就很民事的提了這一個那我們會列入跟相關不管團體或地方政府討論的議題部長您覺得呢 |
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我想署長剛才也回答的一個很清楚我們會跟地方可以認同嗎我想這個調和的其實很重要啦他們願意來做這樣的我想我們的因為的確我們在公聽會的時候也有很多人在講到不只是補助很重要更重要的是他聽到很多的家長說我不敢生啊因為我怕生出來我的孩子會被虐待啊 |
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這顯現出什麼第一我們許多的媒體在個案上放大讓許多的年輕家庭有這樣子的認為普遍台灣的幼教都好像會虐待兒童我覺得這是不對的 |
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第二 親師之間的一些信任關係衝突開始急劇的惡化所以不只是我們現在的校師會議檢討我認為幼稚園或者是拖音中心這些狀況也一樣啊所以還是回過頭來問你 |
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我們現在討論到校師會議我也為了這個開公聽會了你也看到公聽會的內容甚至有老師非常非常的生氣難過他講如果我告訴孩子你出了這個門門要關起來要不然冷氣會流失三次 |
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給大家三次機會大家都還是一樣不關門 冷氣流失 浪費電源好 他這樣子停了冷氣結果被家長投訴請他站立反省被投訴有關老師的一些管教選適當的班基金我們應該要支持老師的專業的所以支持老師剛才委員提到教保條文 |
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是因為我們的這個幼兒園通常它的規模都比較小不像我們公幼或者學校裡邊學校是可能有幾十班幼兒園通常都是幾班它的老師它的編制所以這個不如我們是跟地方政府一邊看 |
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他們法治局有調解委員會也有一個所謂的教保調和委員會由專門的教保專業人員來處理這個調和的問題現在的中小學的規模確實有落差我知道所以要以縣市政府中央要鼓勵縣市政府去辦理這樣子的業務嘛我想以教保這一個部分確實由地方政府來成立可能相對是適當的但你要給予指引啊是 |
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對不對 你中央主管機關你要給予指引再來 這也關係到我們現在校師會議嘛會前會要不要討論 要不要調解嘛這都是有關於這部分連動性的所以 我們現在看到我們這對於現在老師的權利有委員提出了離線權 柯市任委員也很關心我們一直在不斷地講 在倡議現在在講說所謂的調和 |
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那還有一部分我要直接問你啦剛剛我就直接提到了我們公聽會有這麼多老師講這麼多的個案甚至上次有一個老師被戳屁股然後呢下醫師不小心推壞孩子然後孩子受傷啊他的這個校師會議相關的評比就成立了這個案件你知道嗎好 |
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那當然你會跟我講這個舊案舊案現在都有更新的那你也會跟我說我們因為更新了校士會議所以大幅度的減少這個我都知道我現在就問你一句話校士會議你說6月要開始把這些數據收集你大概7月幾號要更新校士會議 |
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不一定是更新啦,我們會檢討,但是七月底之前應該會有一個比較完整的輪廓因為我們是今年的一月才新的範圍,也感謝委員會的支持更完整的輪廓,我稱之為更新不為過吧逐步的檢討,讓它變得更好,這不是更新嗎?難道是更舊? |
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還是二話所以如果你七月底前會有一個更新的版本那我七月底前將你的這個新的辦法我們會有一個完整的評估也會讓委員會有完整的評估就會有相對應的作為可能會更新出一個新的版本嘛逐步修正嘛對不對所以我就問你很簡單嘛現階段的校試會議如果我們要求你 |
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不被查退回請你再修正以後提出新的版本可以嗎如果辦法是好的他似乎那辦法是你想啊不是我想啊所以我請你我現在退回去請你更新請你再逐步的修正再補一個新的這樣可以嗎我要跟我們報告喔如果從現在的數據來看 |
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我想委員過去是非常充滿智慧的因為我們現在都往好的方向走那能不能讓他繼續走就是說他有沒有一定要更改因為以我們現在的分流制度跟匿名的所有的包含各自的保密等於說沒有做到保密也刻以刑責等等所有的東西我想這個部分 |
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我保留彈性但是我也要跟委員報告我們一頁修正的目前看起來是完好的讓學校裡面親師更能夠彼此有如果真的是好的禮拜一的公聽會我就沒有看到教師一片叫好啦當然有家長團體說不能夠廢除 |
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但是我看到的會議是形成的共識是可以更新嘛可以逐步修正調整嘛所以我剛才公文報告的是你說1月我上禮拜才辦公聽會大家還是認為還是有更新的必要啊包括還是有許多的團體指出匿名檢舉的部分並沒有完全消失啊包括還有委員指出網路有同學在教要搞老師直接就用相關的消失會議就打到爆 |
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允許匿名投訴嗎肯定不是嘛有人說用網路的部分他願意所以我們願意接受匿名投訴嗎匿名的投訴這個部分你還是要徹查到底有沒有這些機制完全的嚇阻匿名我們都會做double confirm我們都會去做確認的所以在這個部分我還是跟委員報告 |
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委員過去的一個支持大家的支持我們心存感激讓我們企業有一個更清楚的整個的一個數據的分析最後我要講今天我們提出了幼兒教育照顧法來做逐條討論 |
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我很难过我们来逐条讨论的时候这个时候才看到我们教育部愿意去对症下药刚刚有人提到不管是合格教师跟教保员的薪资问题到许多团体 幼教团体跟我们讲他们现在以前为了久任奖金为了教师薪资不断的在发声都完全没有被重视到 |
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然後現階段我們又看到了私生筆的問題有時候還是有很多沒有跟進私生筆我們一直有最高的標準可是逐步在進行但是真的有做到嗎現場狀況很多的幼教團體也很擔憂 |
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跟我們報告我們公立的跟非營利這一個部分我們已經有99%降低到從今年開始從1比15降低到1比12所以是公國跟非營利嗎是是是對嘛那總公共跟所謂的私立這就是我們一直在講的教育補助逐步平權抽到公國公用就是重大熱痛沒有抽到的人 |
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他就是覺得 哇 為什麼我這麼衰所以我們才會說 要所謂的公托公幼免費施託施幼現在在討論要不要增大補助嘛我當然知道你施生比公托公幼已經完成了啊目前這一個評價未達八成公共化未達四成事實上全國以現在台中市事實上是相對多的 |
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會後我可以把這個資料給委員我歡迎你提供相對的資料但我還是要告訴你我們現在教育現場遇到的困境讓更多的年輕家庭能夠獲得到一個更好的一個你的資料我可以提可以參考一下但我還是要再講現在我們面臨到的就是家庭壓力太大 |
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那現在我們喊出了每個月五千賴清德總統也跟進嘛從原本說國民黨有可能掏空財庫啊到現在賴清德總統跟進以後那我們在喊其他的一些政策的時候我們歡迎大家來質疑來檢討但是我們希望大家好好坐下來討論把事情能夠凝聚共識來幫助這些家庭嘛不要每一次我們在喊這些政策的時候就說我們的政策有疑慮 |
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然後換成賴清德總統跟進的時候他就可以那是什麼標準我不懂啊我想不要賴總統說的都是金一兩天啊我們講的都是好像是把我們的話當成是我們的話都是好像洪水猛獸啊 |
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這個真的要特別拜託你剛剛提到的調和委員會校事會議還有身心調試架這些狀況都是教學現場最第一線大家一直在反應的希望你提出解套來說服我們我們可以不用做因為你已經在做了就是因為看到你沒有做好我們才今天負責任的提出方法謝謝委員提醒我想我們會持續的盡盡的努力謝謝羅委員請部長回答 |