| IVOD_ID |
170042 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170042 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:35:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T11:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5ffefbf90022a631090b61440ff5997928e8dc8e5a0085aab845705032a5a81be55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:48 - 11:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請主委原民會主委跟原文會董事長主委好 |
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我其實今天很感動感動什麼呢因為我在很多的社群媒體看到蘭嶼的那個20人的平板舟大船昨天下午 |
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抵達我們巴丹島對不對那非常多的空拍影片不是只有原住民在關注這件事有非常多的人都覺得這個壯舉真的是可以來繼續的辦理你覺得呢可以繼續辦理啊因為我們這個我們跟巴丹島尤其是蘭嶼哥巴丹島根本就是同文同種他們的話完全一樣所以 |
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這本來就是一個家族只不過是海洋隔絕而已那我跟主委一樣我是覺得我非常的幸運能夠參與這一次的一個行程的規劃那我其實是在三年前我就接到蘭嶼族人這個請託當然這個代表人就是現在原文會的董事長馬拉奧斯 |
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他說想要做這件事情的時候其實還需要蠻龐大的經費所以在這邊特別感謝文化部跟園民會願意來承擔這個造州的經費那但是這個當中呢其實遇到蠻多的問題所以我在去年的五月我也找了十個部會一同的來協調這個案子 |
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所以我特別希望就是唸出一下這些部會除了原民會、文化部其實參與這個計畫的還有外交部、交通部、海委會、內政部、農業部、財政部、衛福部、速發部 |
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一趟航行真的是需要靠大家的努力一朵花成就不了一個春天所以呢我在這邊就是基於感動特別要謝謝所有參與的朋友跟部會那這個20人的拼板周大周呢是結合了蘭嶼的六個部落每個部落都有派人60人三組人馬 |
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不分昼夜 從前天的早上滑 用力滑 滑到比昨天他們是下午三點到 他們原先預計是下午六點到也就是整整滑了三十個小時所以在這邊我非常的高興 那我也希望這樣的工作能夠繼續的來辦理 |
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因為他們分開也不過300年這是300年的恢復的守航但是距離145公里 |
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並不遠可是因為不同的國家阻隔了我們的交流所以在這個部分我想未來陸海空的部分我們都應該要繼續的來努力那為什麼我要關心這個問題因為我看到我們今年的一個預算有一個新增的新興計劃科目115到120有一個它的科目名稱很特別主委 |
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什麼意思?台灣族的話從這裡出發我們這裡是什麼意思?從台灣這塊土地出發要到哪裡?要到南太平洋的這些我們的弟兄姊妹所以這個就是你之前園民會被刪掉的南島的經費嗎?對對對所以你換了一個科目名稱 |
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當然我們這個因為新的中長省計畫因為這個本來就要換名字是所以你特別用排灣的族語文字對當作這個科目的名稱是嗎是我覺得非常好啊其實以後每一個科目都可以用各族的族語來呈現我覺得也不錯好那這個部分吼我也是很擔心吶不會被刪吧 |
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我們當然要特別拜託各位委員特別是原住民的委員 拜託因為我們原住民不是在做外交其實我們是在做文化跟我們的原來的好朋友來做聯誼的感情聽說我們的帛琉辦公室要裁撤了沒有沒有沒有因為他們跟我們有很長的情誼不論機會被怎麼殺我們都會在 |
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因為我們的感情勝過於太多的這個這個經會的一個好謝謝主委齁我希望您能守護住啊是齁這個去做這樣的一個南向的外交只有原住民為主體原民會為主體才做得到啊是 |
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我希望你們要守住好不好會那我在這裡呢要請一下那個主委還有負責教育文化的是不是副主委是陳一信副主委嗎還有教文處處長來我要跟主委說其實我今年 |
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接到好幾個團體的陳情啊都跟教育文化語言有關我在1月有開過知識中心的協調會您也親自參與那另外就是語推組織也有來陳情原專班也有來陳情還蠻多團體就是今年就一些教育文化語言的事務來去做陳情我先說我都是希望我不要開協調會啊 |
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我希望我們任何一個政策的發布或轉型一定要跟第一線實施的這些人員要做面對面的溝通討論如果再跑到民意代表這邊來就不好了好不好那我特別要講的就是因為主委您也很清楚吧我過去是老師那我在2000年九年一貫課程的時候 |
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我非常努力的做一件事我把校本課程也就是所謂的彈琴學習結束我呼籲所有原住民的學校都應該要來做民族教育這是2000年的時候 |
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那這些年呢我也不斷的在全國各縣市到處去演講推廣所以校本課程我非常的強調要做民族教育跟族語的一個教材相關的編輯發展 |
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那教文處陳昆聖處長應該也很了解因為這個當中你也協助很多你也看見很多所以呢我在2010年也開始做全族語幼兒園也就是後來的沉浸式幼兒園那不論是民族教育或者是沉浸式幼兒園很感謝園民會帶頭就是去做這樣的一個推廣跟補助後來教育部也加進來 |
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到了2014年呢我開始下一階段的目標就是去做族群本位各領域的教科書那我也在2018年編輯完畢在屏東先流通而已我也到全國去推廣可是我們在2015年呢我們開始有了實驗學校 |
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我也在實驗學校之前就開始做了實驗班這些孩子也已經讀大學了都讀得很好現在使用這些教材的孩子們他們在每一年全國的測驗裡面也都是在高標表示這件事情是值得做的可是我在2016年離開了教育界我有兩件事沒有做到第一個就是我希望 |
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各領域具備足語能力的教師這個要從師培端開始做那園民會也從零歲的足語保母開始做我認為應該是十年後會有成績出來但是這個部分到現在我還很難看到學校裡面各領域的老師具備足語能力進行教學很困難我講的不是母語老師我講的是一般的教師 |
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那只有這個完備了之後目標還沒有達到就是我希望的是原住民族學校一個原住民族學校裡面老師要具備一定的族語能力要有族群本位的課程教材這是非常重要的兩個基本款那我現在就是要特別講因為我下個禮拜在教育文化委員會我有安排一個原住民族學校的公聽會因為我覺得共識不足 |
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沒有人談得清楚到底什麼叫原住民主學校可是我覺得好可惜因為原民會在做的這些事情全部都是在為這件事情努力所以我現在想請教一下我1月的時候全國各個知識中心我們開了協調會有結論啊處長您可不可以提一下那個結論 |
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這決定就是說我們目前整個知識體系建構這個專案計畫在去年度結束之後我們會開始研訂第二期的計畫那這個計畫已經 換我們的主委已經核定了所以我們明年就可以開始來執行我們第二期的計畫那我們會在第一期計畫所建構的期數之下開始來做教材的研發因為我也知道要做知識建構這件事情最重要就是要回到教育的現場來做教材的發展跟課程的實施嘛 |
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那過去的第一階段的整理出來的這些成果就是做我們第二期開始做教材跟課程實施一個最重要的依據所以我們是延續現在做這件事情那處長您要特別注意因為雖然那個知識中心四年期計畫告一個段落然後接下來第二階段我們要開始結合所謂的課程教材但是有一些知識中心他可能才成立一年 |
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才剛開始我希望這個部分不論是他的知識的一個收整到課程的轉化教材的編轉我覺得這個部分乃至於課綱他其實都是在跟時間賽跑而且他本來就是一件事我希望這個部分原民會你們的錢會變少嗎目前差不多是為此 |
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所以我們的教育經費其實是維持的所以就是要完成這些事情因為很多人都在陳情我希望我們園民會能夠好好的把關那另外就是園專班因為好多人說園專班園民會沒有補助了 |
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那難道原專班就不做了嗎其實原專班沒有不做原專班目前在全台灣有生殖之所那因為現在過去是漁民部在協助後來教育部也加入這樣的一個計畫的協助那我們認為這樣的資源是不用傳付去做補助所以我們把原專班在轉型做我們未來的官費生培育的專班的使用所以是兩個目標不一樣那所以 |
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處長原專班我知道現在因為考選部教育部原民會也在談關鍵人才的培育包括原住民的公務人才的培育包括原住民各領域人才的培育包括原住民在大學高教這一端的師資的培育那跟這些我們的經費跟教育部都是一起用的嗎 |
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目前對我們幾個重點領域的專班的經費會員另外來支持那一般的原專班我們希望是由教育部持續來支持這樣雙軌來推動我們高教的原產那請問有沒有選定我們原住民的一些關鍵領域像土木 |
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像土夢 農業 公務 行政 文化 族語什麼時候開始我們經營都已經開始了所以經費有編列都編列了 而且計畫都合訂了那我等下最後會要求兩周內給我一個書面報告沒問題 謝謝委員那最後就是雨推啊 |
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語推有很多人跟我反應那語推又是變成要怎麼樣其實也是一樣的問題就是說過去語法法有規定我們要協助各組成立語推組織可是過去我們是用一個比較變通的方式是由相關的民間的協會就來代表某一個民主的語推組織我想這個是一個言不正言不說的問題所以過去在推動整個 |
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當然是已足全單位大家沒有意見啦但是我聽說都在招考年輕人啊 |
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當然因為過去現在我們最大主委負責的問題是我們的人才已經斷產了我們的已推人員都已經是六十五歲七十歲了未來我們的已推人員就是要以年輕人來承擔當然要第二代開始來接下來了是用師徒制的方式嗎師徒制還有我們辦理專案培訓跟我們的工會專幫 |
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你們也可以轉介到未來去施培端嗎成為學校國分國小的教師嗎當然可以不是主語教師我講的是一般教師喔那我要談的就是說其實主語這一塊的拼圖非常的困難比課程教材更加的困難不是那麼容易所以我希望原民會 |
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你們在教育部之外這一塊是你們應該要著力的所以我特別希望人家有意見你們要跟第一線的溝通透過民意代表我覺得就不好了 |
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我真的是希望園民會能夠做好溝通的工作那我也期待我們的原住民族學校能夠早日形成共識 早日三讀過案 早日成立這樣可以嗎那我就是希望說把這個我剛剛通篇講的這些能夠在兩週內提供我辦公室一個書面的答覆 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |