| IVOD_ID |
170042 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170042 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:35:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T11:50:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5ffefbf90022a631090b61440ff5997928e8dc8e5a0085aab845705032a5a81be55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:48 - 11:50:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請主委原民會主委跟原文會董事長主委好 |
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我其實今天很感動感動什麼呢因為我在很多的社群媒體看到蘭嶼的那個20人的平板舟大船昨天下午 |
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抵達我們巴丹島對不對那非常多的空拍影片不是只有原住民在關注這件事有非常多的人都覺得這個壯舉真的是可以來繼續的辦理你覺得呢可以繼續辦理啊因為我們這個我們跟巴丹島尤其是蘭嶼哥巴丹島根本就是同文同種他們的話完全一樣所以 |
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這本來就是一個家族只不過是海洋隔絕而已那我跟主委一樣我是覺得我非常的幸運能夠參與這一次的一個行程的規劃那我其實是在三年前我就接到蘭嶼族人這個請託當然這個代表人就是現在原文會的董事長馬拉奧斯 |
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他說想要做這件事情的時候其實還需要蠻龐大的經費所以在這邊特別感謝文化部跟園民會願意來承擔這個造州的經費那但是這個當中呢其實遇到蠻多的問題所以我在去年的五月我也找了十個部會一同的來協調這個案子 |
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所以我特別希望就是唸出一下這些部會除了原民會、文化部其實參與這個計畫的還有外交部、交通部、海委會、內政部、農業部、財政部、衛福部、速發部 |
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一趟航行真的是需要靠大家的努力一朵花成就不了一個春天所以呢我在這邊就是基於感動特別要謝謝所有參與的朋友跟部會那這個20人的拼板周大周呢是結合了蘭嶼的六個部落每個部落都有派人60人三組人馬 |
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不分昼夜 從前天的早上滑 用力滑 滑到比昨天他們是下午三點到 他們原先預計是下午六點到也就是整整滑了三十個小時所以在這邊我非常的高興 那我也希望這樣的工作能夠繼續的來辦理 |
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因為他們分開也不過300年這是300年的恢復的守航但是距離145公里 |
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並不遠可是因為不同的國家阻隔了我們的交流所以在這個部分我想未來陸海空的部分我們都應該要繼續的來努力那為什麼我要關心這個問題因為我看到我們今年的一個預算有一個新增的新興計劃科目115到120有一個它的科目名稱很特別主委 |
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什麼意思?台灣族的話從這裡出發我們這裡是什麼意思?從台灣這塊土地出發要到哪裡?要到南太平洋的這些我們的弟兄姊妹所以這個就是你之前園民會被刪掉的南島的經費嗎?對對對所以你換了一個科目名稱 |
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當然我們這個因為新的中長省計畫因為這個本來就要換名字是所以你特別用排灣的族語文字對當作這個科目的名稱是嗎是我覺得非常好啊其實以後每一個科目都可以用各族的族語來呈現我覺得也不錯好那這個部分吼我也是很擔心吶不會被刪吧 |
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我們當然要特別拜託各位委員特別是原住民的委員 拜託因為我們原住民不是在做外交其實我們是在做文化跟我們的原來的好朋友來做聯誼的感情聽說我們的帛琉辦公室要裁撤了沒有沒有沒有因為他們跟我們有很長的情誼不論機會被怎麼殺我們都會在 |
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因為我們的感情勝過於太多的這個這個經會的一個好謝謝主委齁我希望您能守護住啊是齁這個去做這樣的一個南向的外交只有原住民為主體原民會為主體才做得到啊是 |
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我希望你們要守住好不好會那我在這裡呢要請一下那個主委還有負責教育文化的是不是副主委是陳一信副主委嗎還有教文處處長來我要跟主委說其實我今年 |
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接到好幾個團體的陳情啊都跟教育文化語言有關我在1月有開過知識中心的協調會您也親自參與那另外就是語推組織也有來陳情原專班也有來陳情還蠻多團體就是今年就一些教育文化語言的事務來去做陳情我先說我都是希望我不要開協調會啊 |
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我希望我們任何一個政策的發布或轉型一定要跟第一線實施的這些人員要做面對面的溝通討論如果再跑到民意代表這邊來就不好了好不好那我特別要講的就是因為主委您也很清楚吧我過去是老師那我在2000年九年一貫課程的時候 |
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我非常努力的做一件事我把校本課程也就是所謂的彈琴學習結束我呼籲所有原住民的學校都應該要來做民族教育這是2000年的時候 |
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那這些年呢我也不斷的在全國各縣市到處去演講推廣所以校本課程我非常的強調要做民族教育跟族語的一個教材相關的編輯發展 |
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那教文處陳昆聖處長應該也很了解因為這個當中你也協助很多你也看見很多所以呢我在2010年也開始做全族語幼兒園也就是後來的沉浸式幼兒園那不論是民族教育或者是沉浸式幼兒園很感謝園民會帶頭就是去做這樣的一個推廣跟補助後來教育部也加進來 |
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到了2014年呢我開始下一階段的目標就是去做族群本位各領域的教科書那我也在2018年編輯完畢在屏東先流通而已我也到全國去推廣可是我們在2015年呢我們開始有了實驗學校 |
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我也在實驗學校之前就開始做了實驗班這些孩子也已經讀大學了都讀得很好現在使用這些教材的孩子們他們在每一年全國的測驗裡面也都是在高標表示這件事情是值得做的可是我在2016年離開了教育界我有兩件事沒有做到第一個就是我希望 |
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各領域具備足語能力的教師這個要從師培端開始做那園民會也從零歲的足語保母開始做我認為應該是十年後會有成績出來但是這個部分到現在我還很難看到學校裡面各領域的老師具備足語能力進行教學很困難我講的不是母語老師我講的是一般的教師 |
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那只有這個完備了之後目標還沒有達到就是我希望的是原住民族學校一個原住民族學校裡面老師要具備一定的族語能力要有族群本位的課程教材這是非常重要的兩個基本款那我現在就是要特別講因為我下個禮拜在教育文化委員會我有安排一個原住民族學校的公聽會因為我覺得共識不足 |
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沒有人談得清楚到底什麼叫原住民主學校可是我覺得好可惜因為原民會在做的這些事情全部都是在為這件事情努力所以我現在想請教一下我1月的時候全國各個知識中心我們開了協調會有結論啊處長您可不可以提一下那個結論 |
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這決定就是說我們目前整個知識體系建構這個專案計畫在去年度結束之後我們會開始研訂第二期的計畫那這個計畫已經 換我們的主委已經核定了所以我們明年就可以開始來執行我們第二期的計畫那我們會在第一期計畫所建構的期數之下開始來做教材的研發因為我也知道要做知識建構這件事情最重要就是要回到教育的現場來做教材的發展跟課程的實施嘛 |
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那過去的第一階段的整理出來的這些成果就是做我們第二期開始做教材跟課程實施一個最重要的依據所以我們是延續現在做這件事情那處長您要特別注意因為雖然那個知識中心四年期計畫告一個段落然後接下來第二階段我們要開始結合所謂的課程教材但是有一些知識中心他可能才成立一年 |
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才剛開始我希望這個部分不論是他的知識的一個收整到課程的轉化教材的編轉我覺得這個部分乃至於課綱他其實都是在跟時間賽跑而且他本來就是一件事我希望這個部分原民會你們的錢會變少嗎目前差不多是為此 |
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所以我們的教育經費其實是維持的所以就是要完成這些事情因為很多人都在陳情我希望我們園民會能夠好好的把關那另外就是園專班因為好多人說園專班園民會沒有補助了 |
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那難道原專班就不做了嗎其實原專班沒有不做原專班目前在全台灣有生殖之所那因為現在過去是漁民部在協助後來教育部也加入這樣的一個計畫的協助那我們認為這樣的資源是不用傳付去做補助所以我們把原專班在轉型做我們未來的官費生培育的專班的使用所以是兩個目標不一樣那所以 |
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處長原專班我知道現在因為考選部教育部原民會也在談關鍵人才的培育包括原住民的公務人才的培育包括原住民各領域人才的培育包括原住民在大學高教這一端的師資的培育那跟這些我們的經費跟教育部都是一起用的嗎 |
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目前對我們幾個重點領域的專班的經費會員另外來支持那一般的原專班我們希望是由教育部持續來支持這樣雙軌來推動我們高教的原產那請問有沒有選定我們原住民的一些關鍵領域像土木 |
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像土夢 農業 公務 行政 文化 族語什麼時候開始我們經營都已經開始了所以經費有編列都編列了 而且計畫都合訂了那我等下最後會要求兩周內給我一個書面報告沒問題 謝謝委員那最後就是雨推啊 |
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語推有很多人跟我反應那語推又是變成要怎麼樣其實也是一樣的問題就是說過去語法法有規定我們要協助各組成立語推組織可是過去我們是用一個比較變通的方式是由相關的民間的協會就來代表某一個民主的語推組織我想這個是一個言不正言不說的問題所以過去在推動整個 |
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當然是已足全單位大家沒有意見啦但是我聽說都在招考年輕人啊 |
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當然因為過去現在我們最大主委負責的問題是我們的人才已經斷產了我們的已推人員都已經是六十五歲七十歲了未來我們的已推人員就是要以年輕人來承擔當然要第二代開始來接下來了是用師徒制的方式嗎師徒制還有我們辦理專案培訓跟我們的工會專幫 |
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你們也可以轉介到未來去施培端嗎成為學校國分國小的教師嗎當然可以不是主語教師我講的是一般教師喔那我要談的就是說其實主語這一塊的拼圖非常的困難比課程教材更加的困難不是那麼容易所以我希望原民會 |
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你們在教育部之外這一塊是你們應該要著力的所以我特別希望人家有意見你們要跟第一線的溝通透過民意代表我覺得就不好了 |
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我真的是希望園民會能夠做好溝通的工作那我也期待我們的原住民族學校能夠早日形成共識 早日三讀過案 早日成立這樣可以嗎那我就是希望說把這個我剛剛通篇講的這些能夠在兩週內提供我辦公室一個書面的答覆 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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謝謝主席，有請主委。 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:54.296000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:54.916000+08:00 |
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原民會主委嗎？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:55.497000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:56.577000+08:00 |
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原民會主委，還有原文會董事長。 |
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0.462 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:56.577000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:57.577000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:56.577000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:56.738000+08:00 |
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主委好。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:35:56.738000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:06.618000+08:00 |
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Djavadjavay a Mapuljat。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:06.618000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:11.522000+08:00 |
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我其實今天很感動，感動什麼呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:12.403000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:27.044000+08:00 |
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因為我在很多社群媒體看到蘭嶼那個20人的拼板舟大船昨天下午抵達巴丹島，對不對？對。 |
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0.944 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:27.324000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:41.349000+08:00 |
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非常多的空拍影片，不是只有原住民在關注這件事，有非常多人都覺得這個壯舉真的是可以來繼續辦理，你覺得呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:42.009000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:56.495000+08:00 |
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可以繼續辦理，因為我們跟巴丹島，尤其是蘭嶼跟巴丹島，根本就是同文同種，說的話完全一樣，所以本來就是一個家族，只不過是被海洋隔絕而已。 |
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0.949 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:36:58.116000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:37:54.407000+08:00 |
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好，我跟主委一樣，我是覺得我非常幸運能夠參與這一次的行程規劃，其實我是在三年前就接到蘭嶼族人這個請託，當然代表人就是現在原文會的董事長瑪拉歐斯，他說想要做這件事情的時候，還需要蠻龐大的經費，所以在這邊特別感謝文化部和原民會願意來承擔這個造舟經費，但是這個當中遇到蠻多問題，所以我在去年5月也找了10個部會一同來協調這個案子，我特別希望唸出這些部會，除了原民會、文化部，參與這個計畫的還有外交部、交通部、海委會、內政部、農業部、財政部、衛福部、數發部。 |
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0.96 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:37:55.998000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:02.004000+08:00 |
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一趟航行真的是需要靠大家的努力，一朵花成就不了一個春天！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:03.125000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:09.291000+08:00 |
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基於感動，我在這邊特別要謝謝所有參與的朋友和部會。 |
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0.783 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:10.172000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:36.344000+08:00 |
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這個20人的拼板大舟是結合了蘭嶼6個部落，每個部落都有派人，60人3組人馬不分晝夜，從前天早上滑，用力滑，昨天他們是下午3點到，但是他們原先預計是下午6點到，也就是整整滑了30個小時。 |
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0.946 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:38:38.746000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:05.882000+08:00 |
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我非常高興，也希望這樣的工作能夠繼續來辦理，因為我們分開也不過300年，這是300年來恢復的首航，雖然距離145公里，並不遠，可是因為不同的國家阻隔了我們的交流，所以在這個部分，未來陸海空的部分，我們都應該要繼續來努力。 |
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0.945 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:06.843000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:08.644000+08:00 |
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為什麼我要關心這個問題？ |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:08.644000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:24.418000+08:00 |
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因為我看到我們今年的預算有一個新增的新興計畫科目，115年到120年，有一個科目名稱很特別，主委，Kemasi Maza是什麼意思？ |
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0.741 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:25.078000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:28.942000+08:00 |
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排灣族的話，從這裡出發。 |
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0.9 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:29.543000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:30.343000+08:00 |
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「這裡」是什麼意思？ |
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1 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-17T11:39:30.343000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:32.525000+08:00 |
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從臺灣？ |
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0 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:32.525000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:34.747000+08:00 |
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就是從臺灣這塊土地出發。 |
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0.818 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:34.747000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:35.608000+08:00 |
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要到哪裡？ |
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1 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-17T11:39:35.608000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:39.872000+08:00 |
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要到南太平洋這些我們弟兄姐妹的…… |
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0.867 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-17T11:39:40.073000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:44.417000+08:00 |
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所以這個就是之前原民會被刪掉的南島經費嗎？ |
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0.95 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:44.417000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:44.417000+08:00 |
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對、對、對，去年。 |
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0.6 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:44.417000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:47.099000+08:00 |
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所以你換了一個科目名稱？ |
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1 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:49.639000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:51.480000+08:00 |
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因為這是新的中長程計畫…… |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:51.841000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:53.042000+08:00 |
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本來就要換名字？是。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:39:53.862000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:01.348000+08:00 |
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所以你特別用排灣族語的文字Kemasi Maza當作這個科目的名稱，是嗎？是。 |
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0.686 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:01.748000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:02.329000+08:00 |
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我覺得非常好！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-17T11:40:03.230000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:07.913000+08:00 |
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其實以後每一個科目都可以用各族族語來呈現，我覺得也不錯。好。 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:08.994000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:11.676000+08:00 |
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好，這個部分我也是很擔心，不會被刪吧！ |
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0.938 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:14.564000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:20.446000+08:00 |
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我們當然要特別拜託各位委員，特別是原住民委員，拜託！ |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:20.446000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:29.609000+08:00 |
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因為我們原住民不是在做外交，其實我們是在做文化，跟我們原來的好朋友來聯誼感情…… |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:30.329000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:32.310000+08:00 |
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聽說我們的帛琉辦公室要裁撤了，沒有經費，被刪啦！ |
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0.762 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:32.650000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:42.694000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有、沒有，他們跟我們有很長的情誼，不論經費被怎麼刪，因為我們的感情勝過於經費太多…… |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:45.055000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:47.916000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝主委，我希望您能守護住。是。 |
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| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:40:49.997000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:01.202000+08:00 |
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去做這樣一個南向外交，只有原住民為主體，原民會為主體，才做得到，我希望你們要守住，好不好？會。 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:01.423000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:09.208000+08:00 |
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我在這裡要請一下主委，還有負責教育文化的是不是陳義信副主委？ |
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0.964 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:09.929000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:10.309000+08:00 |
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還有教文處處長。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:10.309000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:46.624000+08:00 |
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我要跟主委說，我今年接到好幾個團體的陳情，都跟教育、文化、語言有關，我在1月開過知識中心的協調會，您也親自參與，另外，語推組織也有來陳情，原專班也有來陳情，還蠻多團體今年就一些教育、文化、語言的事務來陳情。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:41:47.144000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:06.531000+08:00 |
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我先說，我都是希望我不要開協調會，我希望我們任何一個政策的發布或轉型一定要跟第一線實施的這些人員做面對面的溝通討論，如果要讓他們再跑到民意代表這邊來，就不好了，好不好？好。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:07.231000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:50.671000+08:00 |
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我特別要講的就是，主委，您也很清楚，我過去是老師，在2000年九年一貫課程的時候，我非常努力做一件事，在校本課程，也就是所謂的彈性學習節數，我呼籲所有原住民學校都應該要來做民族教育，這是2000年的時候，這些年我也不斷在全國各縣市到處去演講推廣，我非常強調校本課程要做民族教育，還有族語教材相關的編輯發展。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:52.852000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:58.316000+08:00 |
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教文處陳坤昇處長應該也很了解，因為這個當中，你也協助很多，也看見很多。 |
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0.935 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:42:59.837000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:43:17.429000+08:00 |
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我在2010年也開始做全族語幼兒園，也就是後來的沉浸式幼兒園，不論是民族教育，或者是沉浸式幼兒園，很感謝原民會帶頭去做這樣的推廣和補助，後來教育部也加進來。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:43:18.862000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:43:36.815000+08:00 |
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到了2014年，我開始下一階段的目標，去做族群本位各領域的教科書，也在2018年編輯完畢，在屏東縣流通而已，我也到全國去推廣。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:43:37.656000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:01.670000+08:00 |
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在2015年我們開始有了實驗學校，我也在實驗學校之前就開始做了實驗班，這些孩子也已經讀大學了，都讀得很好，現在使用這些教材的孩子們在每一年的全國測驗裡面也都是在高標，表示這件事情是值得做的。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:03.891000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:08.895000+08:00 |
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我在2016年離開了教育界，可是我有兩件事沒有做到。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:10.075000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:38.075000+08:00 |
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第一個就是我希望各領域具備族語能力的教師，這個要從師培端開始做，原民會也要從教0歲孩子的族語保母開始做，我認為這應該是十年後會有成績出來，但是到現在我還很難看到學校裡面各領域的老師具備族語能力進行教學，很困難！ |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:38.075000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:58.141000+08:00 |
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我講的不是母語老師，我講的是一般教師，現在目標還沒有達到，我希望的是原住民族學校裡面，老師要具備一定的族語能力，要有族群本位的課程教材，這是非常重要的兩個基本款。 |
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0.973 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:44:59.061000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:27.474000+08:00 |
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我現在要特別講，下個禮拜在教育文化委員會我有安排一個原住民族學校的公聽會，因為我覺得共識不足，沒有人談得清楚到底什麼叫原住民族學校，我覺得好可惜，因為原民會在做的這些事情全部都是在為這件事情努力，所以我現在要想要請教一下，在1月的時候，全國各個知識中心我們開了協調會，有結論啦！ |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:29.055000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:30.075000+08:00 |
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處長，您可不可以提一下那個結論？ |
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陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:32.279000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:47.909000+08:00 |
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這個結論就是，知識體系建構這個專案計畫在去年度結束之後，我們會開始研訂第二期的計畫，那這個計畫已經奉主委核定了，所以明年就可以開始來執行第二期的計畫。 |
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0.943 |
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陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-06-17T11:45:48.349000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:01.397000+08:00 |
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我們會在第一期計畫所建構的基礎之下開始來做教材的研發，因為委員也知道，要做知識建構這件事情，最重要就是要回歸到教育的現場來做教材的發展跟課程的實施嘛！ |
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陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:02.458000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:11.946000+08:00 |
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過去第一階段整理出來的這些成果就是作為我們第二期開始做教材跟課程實施一個最重要的依據，所以我們是延續性在做這件事情。 |
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0.946 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:13.167000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:47.106000+08:00 |
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好，處長您要特別注意，因為雖然知識中心4年期計畫告一個段落，接下來第二階段我們要開始結合所謂的課程教材，但是有一些知識中心可能才成立一年，才剛開始，所以不論是它的知識蒐整，到課程的轉化、教材的編纂乃至於課綱，它其實都是在跟時間賽跑，而且它本來就是一件事，我希望這個部分，原民會，你們的錢會變少嗎？ |
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陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:47.106000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:47.567000+08:00 |
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目前是維持我們的水準。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-17T11:46:51.797000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:53.879000+08:00 |
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所以我們的教育經費其實是維持的。對。 |
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0.938 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:46:54.580000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:02.271000+08:00 |
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所以就是要完成這些事情，因為很多人都在陳情，我希望原民會能夠好好地把關。 |
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0.939 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:02.531000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:10.372000+08:00 |
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另外就是原專班，因為好多人說原專班原民會沒有補助了，難道原專班就不做了嗎？ |
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| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:10.372000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:30.119000+08:00 |
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其實原專班沒有不做，原專班目前在全臺灣有三十幾所，過去是原民會在協助，後來教育部也加入這個計畫的協助，我們認為這樣的資源不用重複去做補助，因為現在在轉型，作為我們未來公費生培育專班的使用，所以是兩個目標不一樣。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:30.339000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:47:55.487000+08:00 |
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所以處長，原專班，我知道現在因為考選部、教育部、原民會也在談關鍵人才的培育，包括原住民公務人才的培育，包括原住民各領域人才的培育，包括原住民在大學高教這一端的師資培育，我們的經費跟教育部都是一起用的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-17T11:47:56.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:08.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
目前對我們幾個重點領域專班的經費會由原民會來支持，一般原專班的經費我們希望是由教育部持續來支持，這樣雙軌來推動我們高教的人才。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:10.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:13.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
好，請問有沒有選定我們原住民的一些關鍵領域？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:13.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:14.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
像土木。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:14.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:19.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
像土木、農業、公務行政、文化、族語，這個都是…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:19.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:19.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
什麼時候開始？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:20.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:21.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我們今年度已經開始了。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:21.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:22.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以經費有編列？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:22.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:23.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
都編列了，而且計畫都核定了。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:24.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:27.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
好，我等一下最後會要求兩週內給我一個書面報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:27.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:28.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
沒有問題，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:28.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:35.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
最後就是語推，語推也很多人跟我反映，語推又是要變成怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:35.566000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:48:52.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
其實也是一樣的問題，就是說過去語發法有規定我們要協助各族成立語推組織，可是過去我們是用一個比較變通的方式，由相關的民間協會來代表某一個民族的語推組織，我想這是一個名不正言不順的問題，所以過去在推動整個族語復振工作，他們沒有辦法用很正式的身分去推。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:52.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:53.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我們今年度開始轉型，希望能協助各族依照法律的規定來成立正式的全國性語推組織，未來他們名正之後就能夠言順，我們會跟這些正式成立的語推組織來做後續的語推工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-17T11:48:53.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-17T11:48:55.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
當然是以族群為單位，大家沒有意見，但是我聽說都在招考年輕人。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:18.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:24.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
當然，因為現在最大的族語落差就是我們的人才已經斷層了，我們的語推人員都已經是65歲、70歲了。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:25.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:28.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以你的意思是，未來的語推人員就是要由年輕人來承擔？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:28.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:30.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
當然，要由第二代開始接下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:30.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:31.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
是用師徒制的方式嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:31.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:34.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
師徒制，還有我們辦理專案培訓跟公費專班，這都是我們人才培育的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.567 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:36.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:40.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
這些人才未來你們也可以轉介到師培端嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:40.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:41.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
當然可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:40.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:42.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
成為學校國中、國小的教師嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:42.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:42.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
當然可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:42.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:45.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
不是族語教師，我講的是一般教師喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:45.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:46.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
對，我瞭解。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:46.609000+08:00 |
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2026-06-17T11:49:55.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我要談的是，其實族語這一塊的拼圖非常地困難，比課程教材更加地困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:55.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-06-17T11:49:56.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
是，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-06-17T11:49:55.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:14.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
不是那麼容易，所以我希望原民會在教育部之外，這一塊是你們應該要著力的，如果人家有意見的話，我特別希望你們要跟第一線溝通，透過民意代表，我覺得就不好了。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:15.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:17.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我真的是希望原民會能夠做好溝通的工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:17.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:18.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:18.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:28.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我也期待我們的原住民族學校能夠早日形成共識，早日三讀過案，早日成立，這樣可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:28.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:29.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
謝謝委員，我們會努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:28.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:35.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我希望把我剛剛通篇講的這些，能夠在兩週內提供我辦公室一個書面的答復。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:35.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:36.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:36.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:37.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:36.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:37.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
謝謝主委，謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-06-17T11:50:38.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-17T11:50:41.965286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
下一位請林宜瑾委員發言質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |