| IVOD_ID |
170041 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170041 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:21:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T11:35:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f506a845ab45185260b61440ff5997928e8dc8e5a0085aab845705032a5a81be55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:21:09 - 11:35:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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好 再有請曾主委 |
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好 這個 顏兵會的預算這個114年度的稅出這個結算 則結算執行率高達99.56%這個謝謝顏兵會的所有的同仁 |
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也就是意味著因為執行率這麼高按照預算法的規定雖然現在還在審預算照樣可以執行可以照樣可以執行完全沒有阻礙剛才的圖表就剛才的執行率結算我們看115年度嚴明會的預算比114年度 |
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多了七億兩千兩百三十三萬五千元增加了七億多但是對原住民族部落非常非常重要的特色道路相關的計畫經費卻比一百一百一十五年度卻比一百一十四年度減略了四億一千多萬遺跡部落計畫 |
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也檢列了七千九百多萬所以這個部分時間的關係這個很重要的計畫再請延民會提書面的說明那為什麼會檢列這麼多到底是延民會故意提的很少還是說國發會合訂的時候行政院合訂的時候減少了就把詳細的說明提供書面資料 好不好 |
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好 接下來這個要請圖管處也上來這個也是要勉勵我們的所有園民會的同仁我們看這個台灣省3D保留地管理辦法在49年4月12號公布發布施行發布施行之後 劃設了24萬多公頃的3D保留地 |
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然後呢這個因為沈議員因為立法委員的質詢當時的台灣省政府在民國76年以前開始調查調查完成之後所以才會有所謂的公有土地偵編原住民保留地處理原則才會定在77年2月1號以前就已經使用祖先的土地 |
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而且繼續使用的就可以增編為原住民保留地上次我也講過這個沒有法律的依據喔可以把國有土地 縣有土地 鄉鎮市有的土地只要經過行政程序就可以成為私人的原住民保留地這個是多大的勇氣跟魄力 |
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這個是要讓園民會及所有的同仁 尤其是圖管處要學習這種要學習我們看原住民保留地從過去的3D保留地24萬多公頃因為增畫邊原住民保留地增加了2萬647公頃 |
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現在還在繼續喔還在繼續所以這個部分一定要想盡辦法為原住民的權益去開創要去開創我們看這個原住民身份法這是幾例子89年9月16號行政院送出了原住民身份認定那時候送來的是條例 |
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八十九年九月十六號一個會期曾子惠一個會期九十年一月四號就三讀通過了這個原住民身份法是原民會成立之後的第一個專法第一個專法工作權保障法是第二個 |
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原民會成立我講原民會成立不是指當然原住民族教育法那時候原民會還沒成立所以這個部分那個也不是你的專法所以這個部分是我舉這個例子就是要讓大家要想盡辦法爭取原住民族的權益好那個曾慶忠你可以回去了我們看 |
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這個主委 處長最高行政法院112年的判決劃設辦法第三條第二款將原住民族傳統領域土地定義限於公有土地一頁原基法第21條第四項授權目的及範圍禁令其將原住民族傳統領域土地僅限於公有土地 |
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部分的規定為無效寫得那麼明確我們應該想盡辦法用這個來去趕快去修你的管理辦法啊原住民族土地的化設辦法趕快修啊而且是授權啊法律授權 人民會自己訂啊 自己修啊不需要送到行政院不需要送到行政院很遺憾的啊 |
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本席行文給你們所以你們趕快依最高法院的判決發文了兩次你們的答覆你們的答覆都是一樣你說你們召開審那個座堂會諮詢座堂會還有專家寫者法律已經很明確了 |
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曾主委在化社辦法在發布的時候之前啊 延明會預告的105年延明會預告的就是包含私有土地原住民族傳統領域就是包含私有土地是因為行政院 當時的行政院兩個政務委員把它改掉的而當時的大家看一下 |
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105年11月7號的會議記錄內政部的意見有沒有看到該法授權應定定之範首為原住民族土地引號這是他們的引號不是我畫的引號會議記錄你們可以去看了原住民族土地引號部落引號籍引號 |
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其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地公有土地是指部落周邊一定範圍不包含公有土地不是限收在這個原住民族土地裡面跟部落裡面立法者是我啊原住民族基本法第21條當初的立法者是我 |
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立法者是我行政院內政部的意見跟我意見一樣跟立法者的意見一樣行政院法規會的意見也跟立法者一樣那個公有土地是限收在部落周邊一定範圍的部分原住民族土地也就是傳統領域土地包含了私有土地 |
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顏平輝你自己的意見也是一樣也是一樣所以這個部分你們應該要趕快自行不必再開什麼說明會 |
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你們的報告你們的說明都需要我不用答覆了所以你們就是我跟你們報告一下就是說這個剛剛講的那個是就一個個案啦當然是可以是個案可以做我們的論述基礎沒有錯但是就是說是有地的固然那是個案沒有錯但是好我們看這個 |
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你要看這個最高行政法院的文字啊他說這個化社辦法第三條第二款他說第三條第二款一頁延期法二十一條第四項授權的目的及範圍不是談個案是在談這個法例談這個法規啊一頁是無效啊 |
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所以不是談個案啦所以就算是個案我們也要想盡辦法通過這個個案成為通案這個爭取原住民主的權益就是要這樣會把它當作是一個趕快修啊現在已經115年了 |
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去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年去年 |
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蘇貞昌院長蘇貞昌院長的時候他說他在110年3月12號我質詢他的時候他說我會分流利法因為他不想定顏住民族自治法他不想依顏住民族基本法 |
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來制定原住民族自治法他也不想依這個蔡英文總統說我會很快的把原住民族自治法送到立法院他也不想他說我會分流立法所以本席啊馬上就提出既然要分流立法就先成立自治線原住民族自治線我提出了地方制度法的修正符合 |
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符合這些幾個條件就可以成立原住民族自治線所以你們現在花了很多錢原住民族自治線花了很多錢就修一條條趕快去協調內政部趕快協調相關的部會去說服他們 |
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所以這個部分是涉及到跨部會的這個事情所以這個部分共同的來去努力所以這個部分當然這個自治戰型條例也是一個問題重要的最後因為已經按連很久了很多次了最後基金的部分原住民族綜合發展基金 |
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一定要撥補要用公務預算不要再去談什麼我們想想看我是從91年度事實上這91年度之前就開始了因為每一年的公務預算撥給綜合發展基金 |
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才會在105年的時候的結算數僅此是117億7000多萬元如果有這個經費的話如果沒有被挪用作為禁法補償的話我們的我們看這個住宅法一直沒有辦法實施的105年12月23號修正 |
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公佈施行的專攻原住民成豬的社會住宅你們現在就是沒有錢了沒有錢沒有錢了如果有這個綜合發展基金的話對不對就可以興建原住民社會住宅還可以這個當時就是說要三年內來做撥補嘛今天是第一年那我們一定會跟院裡面來爭取希望三年內能夠來撥補撥補 |
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主委 撥補要扣掉 要扣掉作為禁法補償 才是真正的撥補喔對 禁法補償要扣掉扣掉那個 才是真正的撥補 加油 繼續努力謝謝 |