| IVOD_ID |
170036 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170036 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:38:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T11:51:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f8f8e212753c558c36bbd52fc739e0447d92a49a8a6720cc414e39bd33e9c15bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:02 - 11:51:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管 ：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金及核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月25日(星期四)下午5時截止收件】
【6月17日及6月18日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請邱志偉 周偉來質詢好 謝謝主席先請基金部鞏部長休息一下今天省九項基金首先四大本這個 |
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這個基金我看了一個晚上現在看得頭暈的但頭暈的腦袋也很清楚先從經濟特別收入基金其中推廣貿易基金是劉署長能源研究石油基金是吳署長中小企業是李署長 |
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三位署長你們所管的基金都應該都很了解吧先問一下那個推廣貿易基金推廣貿易基金是理事長你主管這個基金的金額今年變成多少?今年變成多少? |
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58億比去年度增加還是減少比去年增加減少大概2億左右為什麼減少主要是在ODA的這個部分這個我看的不會比你 |
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是所以你要來這邊來接受我的質詢你對你的預算你這基金要很清楚啊是好你們有沒有編列CPTPP的相關預算報告委員CPTPP部分我們一直有在雙邊架構推動所以比如說我們跟其他國家在進行雙邊會議的時候都會去提這個CPTPP的案子但是不會是單獨一個叫CPTPP的科目相關CPTPP預算是在 |
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你們從113年度整年度跟114年度上半年度你們貿易推廣計畫你們第一項實際推動加入CPTPP融入區域經濟整合對不對這是你們的工作計畫你說沒有你有工作計畫就要編列預算嘛是那你我看你113年度你的計畫執行結果怎麼樣114上半年度你們執行成功怎麼樣 |
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我先講我的想法啦CPTPP是一個重要的這個經貿戰略它的難度很高因為有中國的因素那我們不能因為有中國的因素我們就不作為而且要更加繼續作為是如果這種情況之下你要表示政府的立場 |
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我去日本我去甚至去秘魯我去這個加拿大為了GPP我談很多事這是從立法院的角度但行政部門你主管是國貿啊國貿署也好或者是外交部或者是OTC也好這都是你們共同要協助的工作那你有預算你就要去跟所有的相關的會員國去做一些的拜訪 |
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譬如說部長你可以指派次長或者是指派署長署長如果官位太高副署長也可以你去12個會員國走一趟你去馬來你去文來你去越南代表我們這個宣誓說我們重視CPTPP這個議題重視難度很高有中國因素我一直強調但是我們還是要積極作為啊你沒有派人去完全沒有積極作為我們認為政府沒有這個決心嘛假設你跟這個所有的會員國去談論的過程中 |
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我們最高目標是希望他們能夠支持台灣成立公眾小組如果這個大目標沒辦法達成我們可以退而求其次追求跟他們雙邊的經貿關係的強化嘛所以你那個大戰略觀啊你有這個預算你告訴我說沒有但是明明你有這個計畫你就要去執行你要去執行你要拿出成果啊 |
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這個 來 那個署長你回應一下是 報告委員 像其實的確我們在推動CPTPP我們會配合行政院的這個CPTPP的工作小組的指示歐伊茲是決策 他是一個你前線作戰部隊是你們駐外人員是外交部的駐外人員 歐伊茲是一個整合 是一個決策者的角色這我都很清楚 那你們呢 |
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你作為一個這個國際貿易主管機關這個是你的業務之一你要拿出作為我一直強調你派個組長去你派個次長去你派個副組長去這也是一個宣誓嘛我希望你在你這個基金預算裡面我給你支持我希望你要拿出繼續作為是好你的問題到此好謝謝委員下一位這個吳署長委員好這個 |
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能源研究發展計畫裡面這個能源基金裡面這個113年度你們的工作的這個成果就參考全能經濟成長率然後納入人口氣候AI科技半導體發電等等的參數預估113到122國內用電需求年全能經濟成長率2.8對不對 |
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對就是那個我們的那個叫做長期負載預測2.8嘛來那我看到114年度上半年度你們的工作成果好一樣是這些文字敘述描述但是你的數據是哪裡113年度跟114年度完全不一樣那你預估的成果呢 |
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他的國內用電需求年均成長率數據是多少我們去年114年預估的比較低啦我記得好像是1.7但是跟委員報告那個部分我們每年都會滾動為什麼你們在你們工作報告沒有呈現出來那你在113年有成長你有寫2.8 |
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這個我們在改進啦但是我跟委員報告就是說那個部分本來就是我們每年會滾動我用常識來理解這個電力的需求年輕時代你到AI包括這個算力中心應當是往上爬才對啊那你113是2.811是上半年你說變1.7這個我很難理解而且你沒有在你的報告中去呈現啊 |
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好不要以為說這個立法委員都不看你們預算書我是看的比你還細我還要搭高鐵你不用搭高鐵另外這個部分你們去檢討一下是是是到底你這個用電需求成長率是多少我們才能做用電規劃嘛是好你委託這個葉子代儲正午除油幾萬公瓶呃 |
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這個是common sense啊 這個如果還答不出來 署長你要加油這個數字我不是看這個 我本來就知道啊每年都是283萬公筆 你在113年度委託業主代儲政府除了280萬公筆 儲蓄呢 |
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除氣的部分我們沒有委託只有委託葉子代為280萬公平280萬公平大概幾天的安全除量42天左右因為我們有政府除油跟葉子的除油兩塊那總共加起來現在大概差不多現在比較高 可能大概超過160天 |
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多少 116天 160天我們安全處有160天所以民間的280萬公秉委託這個業者儲存的這個部分有沒有可能再提高因為我們現在政府處理喔 受到一些限制 |
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稍微一些限制如果委託民間業者在外出遊這個出遊量有沒有可能283公里再提高各位報告我們現在政府出遊其實也是委託業者去儲存 |
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就是我們政府其實沒有蓋儲槽所以你280萬全部都是儲油總量對對對我們沒有政府去儲油政府的部分政府部分它有一個法令我再理解一下我們只有安全存量是不是就有兩塊一塊是政府儲的就是我們委託業者去儲那另外一塊是我們要求業者要儲那總共加起來政府也是委託業者去儲那業者也要儲 |
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所以業者自己也有責任280萬公筆我們花多少錢請業者代儲我們一年多少21億的補助金21億請民間代儲那民間的安全水平下民間業者自己儲多少 |
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民間的存量 我們的規定是要60天以上對啊 283萬 政府代儲的是40%左右對不對你說 剛剛你說40%40幾天40幾天 好 那我們安全是幾天我們現在總共的安全存量是政府是30天 然後業者是60天 所以總共90天 這是法定的但是我們通常會超過 |
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會超過這個量對你現在越講我越糊塗你這個會後因為我們那麼多時間會後我再補充給委員另外你們氫能推動小組我看你113年的成果跟114年300年的成果好你們導入這個國際氫能相關的技術電子型燃料電池發電系統設置補助要點對你知道這個嗎對好成果怎麼樣113年你們核定建制的容量是多少MW |
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那個數字那個數字我在基本上你們上來每一個署長都要帶一本這個預算書2.05MW全台檢總建制量也是3.45MW那你們2014年呢2014年的容量有沒有增加如果要增加才是合理你沒有增加代表說你對親人沒有積極去推動啊是不是 |
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處長 這些問題因為我實驗到 我不太習慣無邊際延長我聽到有人還要講到30分鐘我很不可思議 我不會無邊際延長我會有限度的做一些這個時間的增加也要經過這個主席的同意好 那請你先回座 下一位來 中長謝署水資源還沒有實驗問 |
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來,你們林口新創園區聚落你們成果,我們這個服務431家新創及中小企業那去年度是396家那基因額呢?包括我們在南部有南科、南卵、高卵跟竹醫育成中心 |
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你們在100幾年度113年度你們是總共多少金額?13億13億嗎?你是講相關的權利金的收入是不是?我講促成這個投資的金額促成投資金額是 |
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因為主要新創園跟育成中心主要是作為一個培育新創企業的一個場地我知道了我要告訴你說為什麼這個扶植的加速是一樣的但是去年可以到13億今年上半年只有0.76億這差別在哪裡你回去看你預算書我的問題完全是來自你預算書 |
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你要了解說你把提供這個特別是在高卵在高卵你們在育成中心所培育的中小企業總共有幾家你把113年度整年度跟114年度上半年度的加數給我高卵的部分然後促成投資的這個金額數有多少因為這個落差太大 |
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因為國務委員報告他每一年的新增的投資金額可能也是要看他那個加速是差不多為什麼金額差了十幾倍你要去了解一下這個執行面有問題那我後面還有水資源後面還有這個產業園區沒關係再找個梁承基實在的問 |
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好 謝謝主席好 謝謝主席來 邱組長我現在要質詢就是要請您去理解這個我質詢重點在哪裡這個Dyson預算說實在這預算書每一個每一個署長都要帶在帶在這個手上馬上馬上應該對數據應該要很精進去掌握謝謝好 謝謝邱組委 張委員接下來我們請這一個 |