iVOD / 170033

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IVOD_ID 170033
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170033
日期 2026-06-17
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-36-19
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 19
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 36
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 司法及法制委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-06-17T11:20:14+08:00
結束時間 2026-06-17T11:35:47+08:00
影片長度 00:15:33
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委員名稱 謝龍介
委員發言時間 11:20:14 - 11:35:47
會議時間 2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第19次全體委員會議(事由:一、併案審查 (一)委員賴士葆等27人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一、第三十五條之二及第三十五條之三條文草案」案。 (二)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (三)委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (四)委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (五)委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (六)委員李柏毅等19人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一及第三十五條之二條文草案」案。 (七)委員楊瓊瓔等28人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (八)委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一及第三十五條之二條文草案」案。 (九)委員林思銘等17人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 (十)委員林倩綺等17人擬具「律師法增訂第三十五條之一條文草案」案。 二、併案審查 (一)行政院函請審議「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 (二)委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「律師法第七條及第七十四條條文修正草案」案。 (三)委員陳素月等18人擬具「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 (四)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 (五)委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 (六)委員沈發惠等17人擬具「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 (七)委員羅智強等17人擬具「律師法第七條、第七十四條及第七十六條條文修正草案」案。 (八)委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「律師法部分條文修正草案」案。 【本次會議僅進行詢答】 【6月17日及18日兩天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 這樣就對了,喝咖啡的我算不知道,敬禮要九十度,來請我沒有在喝咖啡,是你碰,今天我靠近半天就讓你喝咖啡算我碰到就對了,這樣就對了,來,好我聽到你很好,你都不知道我怎麼喝咖啡的這樣就對了,哇,我讀書法治委,因為我全天泡茶,你喝你什麼,門都沒有,好不好但是做環境,你精彩的演出
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 四禁嘛 四禁之後排的代理 也都代一個月跟兩個月多月 對不對兩個月 兩個多月所以在這樣的情形下 您現在再來表達最近發布報告 我想說如果代理啊 是沒有紀憲的限制啊好來 這樣是不是啊 處長 我剛才在那裡說
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 這又是檢察署啦你是跟我說這一點,不過那是因為在說這個人失職或是說他有事情不能事事我支派你代理,這就檢察中了嘛並不是在說比立法院更多譬如說今天是你來比提名人,立法院給你更多
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 放過之後再來派你做代理這樣你不會覺得很奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 說這個代理不會超過多久的時間,不會超過一年,或是不會超過半年,你有要這樣宣示嗎?因為這個人事的部分,因為不是我的業務範圍啦你是說對的?但是我們內部有分工嘛,所以這個部分上到目前上面來講,我跟委員講的是說我的理解代理是暫時性跟事務性嘛好啦,你認為說這個代理沒有機案的判決,這樣有合理嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 我們會這個就是說針對於說代理的這個部分因為剛剛你不用這麼客氣啦我告訴你 我要說老闆太虛要太淒涼啊不然你也會被賠罰
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 你只要說一半 大家聽不懂你認為台立沒有限期 立法院通過的程度有期限四年你現在對我說的是台立沒有期限的限制這樣是合理還是不合理我們不談合理不合理嘛 我現在已經跟委員有說了啦我們說我們這是失誤性跟戰死性我現在正式跟你報告
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 這種做法非常不符合全體既然檢測官的期待因為檢測總統是要大名稱帖的檢測官因為認為說要用一個代理的潛心美名來行使檢測總統的節目啊代理多久不知道如果今天你 你是立法院同僱 我知道四年就夠了萬一你給我打壓 我屯論是四年而已現在不是
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 這個事實上,它可以代理,而且代理沒有規範的判決,這完全沒有合理,我今天是要你一個答案,然後我們來透過手法,命定這個法律組織法裡面,我們來把它訂好清澈,代理有多久的規範來
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 目前那個代理的期限在這個人事案的這個出現延宕的時候會造成說代理首長的一個頻繁的更替啦人事其實也是調度會困難那我跟委員報告其實喔您剛剛提到的基層檢察官這部分我也了解啦我們目前的那個徐代理總長現在真的是很認真啦
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 他現在像非常上述還有我的提起訴訟上的救濟 人民權益的部分還有一些他在我們的業務上打詐黑金槍毒詐 他都跑到很前面所以我跟委員報告我沒有在意他的工作對啦 因為他就已經認真在做這個採訪的工作我是在意這個政策和代理沒機閒這是完全我們聽不下去所以要求你今天一個表態的意義一個態度 因為我
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 經過你們的答詢本席可以來推動修法是不是這樣因為你們有發表啊對外公開發布代理沒有期限的限制啊
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 跟委員報告 結果我剛剛有提到就是說如果明定代理的期限其實人事案會出現延宕的時候會造成這個代理首長會一直換所以我不能明定你給我順利給我變成說代理可以延續沒限期繼續待我們不會這樣繞過要讓他請你煮食飯我們基本上講了代理是一個暫時性跟事務性跟委員我們已經講了就是說
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 沒關係啦 我今天問你沒有答案 我問補充還是一樣沒有答案啦 我會訴諸公關啦我現在請教你一個問題 就是說這班的獨駕酒駕大家都很重視啦為什麼法務部要針對獨駕酒駕 你要把獨駕跟酒駕分開的意思是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 跟委員報告 其實獨駕跟酒駕它的內涵其實是不太一樣因為本身來講 喝酒它不犯法 但吸毒它本身就是犯法但是刑法第85之3 它的意思是標準什麼不能安全駕駛不能安全駕駛 我請問你 酒駕是不是不能安全駕駛
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 酒駕當然也是會有造成不能安全駕駛的狀況獨駕也是不能安全駕駛但是它的非難性是有一點不一樣的不一樣你們法務要修 你現在給我說酒駕跟獨駕的刑責分開
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 這台灣人也聽不懂,酒醉開車弄死人,大家覺得他絕大惡極,你現在說,吃毒的開車弄死人,把胸部痛,酒醉開車弄死人,胸部輕,這我告訴你發不發的,在形象上會受傷
transcript.whisperx[24].start 563.122
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 謝謝委員提醒喔 因為基本上這個獨駕這件事情最近因為造成了非常多的一個我覺得社會上的傷亡 大家都很難過啦我想委員也對這個事情其實是 我跟你講喔 不是這樣喔你現在是酒駕比較輕喔 獨駕比較重喔 你要分開喔
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 但是酒駕的農事人會比較多嗎你聽到沒有他的基本上就是說酒駕的一個狀況他跟獨駕的這個狀況的評價上所以你的意思就是說給吃酒的農事人比較沒辣味給吃酒的農事人比較沒辣味所以吃酒的要噴比較重 吃酒的不用噴比較重
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 也不是這麼說 基本上如果是酒駕或者是獨駕 不能安全駕駛都是同樣於譴責 而且不可以原諒的 不能容忍的那只是說我們單純在做法義上的一個侵害上吸毒它本身還是犯罪所以加起來它當然就是會更重這我告訴你 本席在這裡提醒你你如果是這樣分開 不符合我們台灣人對司法正義的期待這第一第二 我在這裡最好請教你這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 本社會提案 就是針對獨家跟酒家十年來再犯再犯 再弄死人可以判處死刑 我請問你你們有支持死刑嗎 法務部的立場有支持死刑嗎不是這個案 就是說你們有支持死刑嗎
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 執行的部分我們現在這個法律上都還是有規定啊您有支持嗎?法務部的態度有支持嗎?
transcript.whisperx[29].start 674.374
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 本來就依法執行啊如果有任何...依法執行我看還沒有看你們法治規的
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 因為生命權它畢竟是一個非常嚴正的一個所以你們如果配合大法官說的就是盡量不判死刑我們基本上在這個法院上所以檢察官也不會去救出死刑我們會逐案的審查啦那目前上面來講沒有還沒有呈報本部的案件嘛最高檢我們會這個尊重就是針對酒駕跟毒駕啦十年內再犯又再次撞死人啦
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 分析提案 修法 跟判處劇情 異例 法務部的立場 有支持嗎我們有針對那個再犯的部分再加重 一個刑據啦對 加重就是跟判處劇情 你們有支持嗎這個部分 我們目前上面的法條討論的部分是定的部分 就是說 它有集據上的部分您現在修改了跟判多重 你知道嗎我們現在的那個是
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 無期徒刑嘛 最重是無期徒刑啊 無期徒刑 我若能夠施刑 你們有要支持嗎我們需要你們的支持 因為社會的烏龍也期待你們支持我們對於重懲獨駕這個部分是支持但是夠放鬆 要判施刑很困難
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 你們可以這樣 因為有定死刑 你們還可以救出死刑嗎委員我們基本上他有兩個部分第一我們的刑度設計上他有一個級距因為他那個部分上還是把他當成是故意的獨駕造成的過失的一個死亡這樣的類型這是叫加重結果犯我跟委員再報告一下你要吃毒精精 你是清蒸的
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 所以如果是跑到故意殺人的時候我們就會用到刑法271條殺人罪那我們之前那個土城的那一件就是用到殺人的因為他已經不再是單純的獨駕
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 所以檢測官人為嚴重的情形,他如果可以用故意殺人罪來起訴,這樣就可以救出私刑的空間就對了,你的意思是這樣?是所以本省這條修法?我們因為是符合級距啦,但我們尊重,我們很感謝委員對於這個獨駕的一個這個重懲,跟我們本部的這個態度我知道你們想要重懲,但是你們的法律定律不夠重啊
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 應該因為他的那個結構上他跟故意殺人 免得這個很乾旺的科技就有庸俗的事嗎其實是不會啦因為委員我們像我們最近對於這個預防性羈押獨駕的預防性羈押還有獨駕這個就是說如果造勢致傷致死這部分我們都是重塑重演本身在機台你回去檢查中
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 大陸沒有期限過去這樣的發表重新對外又再一個說明大陸沒有期限這種說明實際上很難說服台灣人全體的台灣人像你們還沒中或是你們
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 關這個部門的署長 你說不是你關的嘛這樣回去 再度對我發表一處對檢察中長 代理機閒的申請 好不好謝謝委員 好不好我回去會把委員的意見就是帶回部裡面就是說會把委員的這個意見跟部裡面這個就是帶回去我還要回答嗎
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 這個部分上我們回去會請那個就是他們競訴去兩禮拜來把本席答覆可以嗎不然你回去我都沒說我也不知道你有說沒有這樣可以你們兩禮拜來都沒辦法我們做書面報告好了好 你三禮拜來給本席一份書面的說明好不好好感謝你謝謝委員好 謝謝