| IVOD_ID |
170030 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170030 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T11:03:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T11:13:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5fc05746b66d7ce8190b61440ff5997928d92a49a8a6720cc4a0cd956ccde8f9615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:17 - 11:13:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。二、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。七、審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【預算審查僅詢答，相關預算提案於115年6月24日（星期三）中午12時前截止收件。】【6月17日、18日兩天一次會】） |
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主席我請柳委員會主席董事長徐委員好不好意思董事長我先請教你董事長我請教你你有去台中過嗎? |
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我在民國差不多七十八年去一遍,過去就不是了喔,這樣你比我更年,一九八九年差不多差不多那時候去大陸很濃厚喔,那時候阿伯你沒有再去過嘛我不要去找一個機會去看看我差不多一九八九年、九九年去了 |
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兩千年到空兩年一二年就這樣三五年去一遍對方都不一樣你這麼久沒去你來久一久後你有看 |
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海峽會這邊有溝通連繫嗎?我們內部差不多每一天都會到海峽會都連繫溝通你覺得最近氣氛在這裡不好的過程中以你現主席這部的角色有必要去擔任一些化學者讓溶化比較好玩 |
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你有必要這樣做嗎?如果大家不要有什麼政治立場,可以變一種尊嚴所以政治立場就是說他們堅持久離共生嘛,對不對?沒錯沒錯,這個中間...我們在這次的民主社會跟習近平會面之後 |
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我簡直在面前聽到就是說 中華制度不公 要保障尊重 這他說的那麼羅總統起來的時候就說 我不想人家叫你共識我現在的政府就是民進黨執政所以如果要交流 要觀光 你要來看我的政府說這是羅總統在一個時候表達 |
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也跟兩黨來對方一直說要有紀律共識,如果沒有紀律共識都不用說那麼這次都沒有說到紀律共識了他也沒有堅持要紀律共識了而且施良輝,有針對良輝廣告的事情是不是已經有正式來函了我想這個是不是主委來給委員好,你先說給委員報告 |
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目前我們在2015年2月3號給沒有啦,是不是有內涵啦沒有,觀光客還沒有反應小養會小養會可能是直航的部分對,來直航的部分所以,你藏這個球就不敢吃你藏一點點煮食就沒有 |
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這就是複合在老總統說我沒有性侵害你共識但是你還要來跟我說 現在他沒有性侵害你共識沒有叫你性侵害你共識 他也要跟你說啦為什麼你不跟我說好來 我在這裡跟你說 我從以前聽你聽到現在你整天跟我說你的立場就是老總統的立場嘛 總統交代你這樣說就好了嘛 |
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到底是不是嘛什麼沉龍三片啦 講到吹角轉波什麼在養兔殺你不能再看我回答問題啦你講說不去法國 做了假來一公斤多少一公斤不會多少啦 |
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你說算了啦,不會去法國,很好家啦,一公斤不會多少啦我了解現在是一粒,這個愛文蒙古一百塊錢一公斤不會多少啦 |
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我們了解了,聽到委員,去看也要不然當我跟你們說,說到你們不知道,就讓你們欺負你你知不知道,賣去法國的瘋子一公斤補貼多少如果賣去法國後,對農民的手賣的瘋子,一公斤多少 |
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不要這樣說 農民沒有錢加收 農民是基台有市場市場可以讓我風修的時候 我的水啊 我的油啊 我的鳳梨不會崩潰這樣我就賺錢了 沒人做一個市場你知不知道我們的鳳梨為什麼不能進去你說有孤行 啊 為什麼有孤行 以前有孤行 沒有啊 現在有孤行 給我們停這樣就是養頭殺 |
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去日本也是有孤行的 給你動起來你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛你不需要用這個來做競敵意志嘛 |
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因為這個河床它就是一樣的新增因為有塑化甲烷大陸很早就跟我們說了因為我們也有做啊我們農委會也有跟科學的徵詢因為塑化甲烷的造成空氣的汙染所以我現在大陸不論哪一國來的如果有這個河床我在海關不再做新增了這事實上就跟我們說了 |
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照理講政府是說既然你不再做新增那我要幫助我的農民那我就在台灣新增我們也不要我們海關也不要新增啊所以變成粉粒殼蟲它用這樣把它停下來之後農民來找我添錢用這樣沒用到那樣我們這樣啦吼我們往來這如果粉粒殼蟲兩部吼包括柑橘類我們在 |
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生產的產業包裝鏈來的 我們增加一點成本完成水洗 之後把它脫水來包裝這樣之前會有是因為 醫用噴的噴了 那個粉質的合成 又再落成 我在包裝的時候 又掉下去 又掉了這整個過程這麼簡單 為什麼你藏這個包裝藏規則要處理 你就要來給它整理 沒必要 |
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沒有必要啊你說去海峽論壇就叫做統戰如果這樣其他你拿我賣你拿我的農民去找一些銅鑼出來給我們啊你叫農委會農業部來給我幫忙啊沒有啊 我們的魚啊喔 孔雀鯉掩底的時候你知不知道 要去澳名水散要去澳名你掩掩 再掩掩 |
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農民,他也是在說肥民,農民都說,要不然我們的財產,我們本身的檢驗,跟包裝鏈我們要的是那個市場,我們要去整理那個市場日本,負擁有量的產品、肥類,我們就統一給它進來日本的政策,除了台灣以外,他也是去台北政策,我可以進去買 |
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對了,大陸也是給它開放,說好,如果有生意,大家可以進來美國也是去爭取大陸的市場,幫助它的人民買啊,大刀,看能不能給我雞尾刮,大刀刀 |
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我們現在這個政府 會作動農民出賣他的北京原過其實喔 我們還是要幫農民找新的穩定的市場你不要說我原過其實啦 你跟我說你找的對答你找法國來 法國你跟我說什麼都不會做到我告訴大家 我們小去到法國啦 |
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農民沒失業啊,你剛才在聽話沒用啊你運輸,只有運輸你補助沒用一公斤多少錢,你知不知道?高官報告,我們是聽到我們駐法代表郝培芝說我們的水果,搶攻法國的高端市場高端市場,剛才賣那個飯店,你會賺幾公斤啊?我又不要吃,不要不吃,吃吃不喝 |
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你知不知道我們處理的水量,政府補助不如想穩固一公斤補助多少,你知道嗎?你知不知道,你不知道嘛!你要種,都種了解了,我也不是說你一定要都了解,才給我贏嘛!因為就是你當年被欺負了,我看不過去啦!我把這個事實點出來,沒那麼複雜啦!不要說不都靜地化啦!要靜地化,我也可以讓你靜地化!那又不會變,那又沒生意啊! |
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民產品到中國大樓去,我們都是被他養套殺,停停開開,說封殺就封殺,說暫停就暫停什麼叫做停停開開啦,是今天開,不要再停,後來又開,又來又停,叫養套殺,如果去到美國,台積電叫你來就來,也不養也不套就直接殺,你看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
592.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
610.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
你還要跟台灣人報告一下不要用政治的角度擔心人家今天人家在替農民簽名的時候我們也是要照顧我們的農民在農民要照顧我們的基地你可以做幾分的幫忙你就做幾分的幫忙但是我們農民...你不要扣大工資 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
611.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
632.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
但是不要把農產品賣到統戰平台,難道那麼困難嗎?我們就一定要放在統戰平台,你去找一個地方出生就沒有了你身為中華民國的官員,對中華民國的民主一個地方出生就沒有了你是要派你去跟中國大陸交涉,我告訴你,一輸不行 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:19.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:19.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
主席，請陸委會主委及蘇董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:19.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:20.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請主委、蘇董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:19.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:19.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
謝委員好。早！ |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:20.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:22.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
不好意思，我先請教董事長，你有去過大陸嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:22.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:54.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我大概在民國78年時去過，之後沒再去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-06-17T11:03:54.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-06-17T11:03:59.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
那我們就是同一年去的，也就是1989年。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.357 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:02.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:02.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
差不多。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:02.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:07.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
那時候大陸仍很落伍，之後你就沒再去過了？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:07.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:09.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
沒再去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:09.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:11.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
可以找機會去看看。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:12.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:24.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我在1989年、1990年去，之後2000年、2006年、2012年都有去，差不多每三、五年去一次，每次都發現不一樣！OK。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.394 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:24.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:32.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
你這麼久沒去，你就任之後，與海協會有溝通聯繫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:32.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-17T11:04:34.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我們內部差不多每天都會跟海協會溝通聯繫。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-17T11:04:34.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:02.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
最近兩岸氣氛這麼不好，以你現在的職務跟角色，是否願意擔任潤滑劑，讓兩岸氣氛和緩一點，你覺得你有這樣做的必要嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.18 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:02.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:06.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
如果大家都不要有政治立場，秉持平等尊嚴的話，我也很希望…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:06.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:09.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
所謂的政治立場就是他們堅持九二共識，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:09.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:09.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
是、沒有錯，就是一個中國…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:09.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:32.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
這次鄭麗文主席與習近平會面後，我從媒體聽到的是：兩岸制度不同，要互相尊重，這是他說的。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.605 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:32.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:42.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
賴總統上台後說不承認九二共識，現在就是由民進黨政府執政，如果兩岸要交流、要觀光，就要跟我們政府談，這是賴總統就職時所表達的。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:46.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:54.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
這兩年多來，對方一直堅持九二共識，說如果沒有九二共識就不用談了，不過這次並沒有談到九二共識，他們也沒有堅持要九二共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.593 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-17T11:05:55.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-17T11:05:58.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
針對小兩會與兩岸觀光的事是不是已經正式來函了？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:00.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:01.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這點是不是由主委來向委員說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:01.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:02.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
好，董事長請回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:02.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:17.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
報告委員，2025年2月3號給…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:17.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:22.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我問有沒有來函？沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:22.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:25.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
觀光客部分還沒有反應…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:25.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:25.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
小兩會…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:25.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:27.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
小兩會可能是直航部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:29.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:30.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你們連這種球都不敢接？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:32.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:32.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
真的一點自信都沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:34.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:37.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這符合賴總統說的不承認九二共識，要的話就要來跟我談。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.458 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:37.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-17T11:06:41.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
現在他們沒要你們承認九二共識，也跟你們談了，為什麼你們不敢接球？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.517 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-17T11:06:42.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:01.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我從早上聽到現在，你乾脆告訴我你的立場就是賴總統的立場，總統交代你這樣說就好了，到底是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:01.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:07.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
連農產品都可以講得口沫橫飛，講什麼「養套殺」？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.211 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:07.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:08.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你不要看稿來回答問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:08.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:09.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
過去的歷史就是這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:08.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:11.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
你說我們的芒果在法國賣到很好的價錢，我問你一公斤賣多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.346 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:11.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:13.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
一公斤賣多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:13.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:19.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
委員說的是法國？芒果！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:19.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:24.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你說芒果在法國賣到很好的價錢，那一公斤到底賣多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.458 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:26.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:30.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
據我的瞭解，一粒愛文芒果…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:30.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:31.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
那些立委剛好都是外行的，所以任由你說，就任由你說的都對！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:31.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:32.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
到底一公斤賣多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:42.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:43.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
待我們瞭解後再向委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:43.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:43.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你看看！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:43.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:49.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
不懂硬要說，萬一立委沒聽懂的話，不就讓你遮蓋過去了？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.217 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:49.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:53.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
你知道我們的芒果賣到法國時，一公斤補貼多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-17T11:07:53.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-17T11:07:54.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
那些賣到法國的芒果，從農民手上買的時候一公斤買多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.44 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:04.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:05.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以話不能這樣說！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:05.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:10.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
其實農民並沒有因此增加收入，農民期待的是市場，有市場才能在豐收時不會讓他種的芒果、柚子、鳳梨崩盤，這樣就算有賺錢了，不管哪一個市場都一樣！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.435 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:10.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:10.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你知道為什麼我們的鳳梨進不去？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:10.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:11.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
因為有粉介殼蟲。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:11.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:11.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
為什麼有粉介殼蟲？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:12.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:15.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
以前也有粉介殼蟲，但並沒有妨礙出口；現在卻因為粉介殼蟲而喊停，這就是「養套殺」？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.382 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:15.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:23.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
外銷日本不也是因為粉介殼蟲而喊停？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:23.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:31.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以根本不需要講什麼政治意識！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:31.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:39.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們沒有政治意識。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:39.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:47.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:47.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:52.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
日本針對粉介殼蟲一樣用溴化甲烷燻蒸，這點大陸很早就告訴我們了…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.448 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:53.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-17T11:08:57.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們也有做，農委會也遵循科學…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-17T11:08:58.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-17T11:09:10.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
但是因為溴化甲烷會造成空氣污染，所以不管來自哪一國，凡是有粉介殼蟲的農產品，就不在海關燻蒸了，這點人家之前就告訴我們了。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.473 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-17T11:09:13.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-17T11:09:20.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
再來，既然人家不做燻蒸，那為了幫助農民，所以就在臺灣燻蒸，結果我們不要！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.548 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-17T11:09:20.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-17T11:09:21.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我們海關不要燻蒸！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-17T11:09:25.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-17T11:09:50.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
鳳梨因粉介殼蟲喊停後，農民來找我陳情，說既然鳳梨有粉介殼蟲，那麼包括蓮霧和柑橘類，我們就在生產的包裝鏈中增加一點成本，先水洗、再脫水、最後包裝。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-17T11:09:50.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-17T11:10:02.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
之前之所以會有蟲是因為用噴的，噴了以後，那個粉介殼蟲又再落塵，我在包裝的時候掉下來又黏住了，整個過程是這麼簡單，為什麼你們連包裝，連水果要輸出去，都要政治化？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.634 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-17T11:10:03.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-17T11:10:33.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
沒必要嘛，這是沒必要的，你說去海峽論壇就叫做統戰，那其他的你替我去賣，你替我的農民找一些通路出來給我們啊，你叫農委會、農業部來幫忙啊，但現在沒有，我們的魚被驗出孔雀綠的時候，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-17T11:10:34.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-17T11:10:50.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
如果要輸往歐盟，歐盟對水產品的檢驗是更加嚴格的，所以農民、漁民都說如果這樣的話，他們願意來提升本身的檢驗跟包裝鏈，因為我們要的是那個市場，我們要怎麼進入那個市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.446 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-17T11:10:50.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:07.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
日本核能污染的產品、魚類，我們都同意讓它進來了，日本除了爭取輸往臺灣以外，它也是設法向大陸爭取，看能不能輸進去，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.453 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:07.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:25.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
大陸也是同意開放，表示如果有善意，產品就可以進來，美國也是極力爭取大陸的市場，幫助他的農民銷售小麥、大豆，希望中國能夠多買一點，唯獨我們現在這個政府一再阻擋農民賣出水果…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.532 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:27.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:29.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
委員，你言過其實啦，我們還是在幫農民找新的、穩定的市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:29.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:31.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你不要說我言過其實啦，不然你告訴我，你們找了哪些市場？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.542 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:33.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:33.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
你找法國嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:33.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-17T11:11:56.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
你說銷往法國的芒果賣到很好的價格，但我要跟大家說，我們銷往法國的東西，農民沒有得到實益啦，你剛好是在挺那些貿易商，光是運輸，你補助貿易商一公斤多少錢你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.403 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-17T11:11:56.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:03.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
跟委員報告，我們是聽到我們駐法代表郝培芝說我們的水果搶攻法國的高端市場，成效卓著…… |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:03.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:04.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
高端市場？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:04.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:05.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
剛好賣那些飯店啦，但你可以賣幾公斤？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:06.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:18.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我跟你說「瞞者瞞不識，識者不能瞞」啦，你知道我們輸出去的芒果，政府補助貿易商運費一公斤補助多少，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.522 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:18.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:19.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:21.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:41.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你不知道嘛，所以你要綜合全部了解完畢，其實我也不是說你一定要全部了解才回答我嘛，因為現在是你們硬是遮蓋過去，我看不下去啦，所以我把這些事實點出來，沒那麼複雜啦，不要全部都政治化啦，如果要政治化，我也可以跟你政治化啊，但根本沒必要，因為現在就是沒生意啊。所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.543 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:45.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-17T11:12:53.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
農產品到中國大陸去，我們多次被它養套殺，停停開開，說封殺就封殺，說協商暫停就暫停。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-17T11:12:53.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:01.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
什麼叫做停停開開啦，是今天開，明天停，後天又開，再來又停，這叫養套殺？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:01.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:08.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
如果牽涉到美國，台積電，叫你來就來，也不養也不套就直接殺，你怎麼不說？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:09.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:10.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
你有要跟臺灣人報告一下嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:10.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:11.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:11.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:17.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
不要用政治的角度在這裡辯論啦，今天人家在替農民請命的時候，有時候是因為在你們的管道下…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.475 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:17.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:18.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我們也想要幫助農民，我們是保護及支持農民。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:20.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:25.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
你可以提供多少幫忙，你就提供多少幫忙。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:25.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:26.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
但是我們認為農民…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:26.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:27.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
你不要擴大解讀！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:28.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:33.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
但是不要把農產品賣到統戰平臺，難道那麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:35.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
什麼都一定要放在統戰平臺？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:35.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:36.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
什麼叫統戰啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:36.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:48.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
你自己連一點自信都沒有，你身為中華民國的官員，對中華民國的民主，一點自信都沒有，你是要怎麼……派你去跟中國大陸交涉，我告訴你，你一定是一事無成。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.683 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:49.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:51.699714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我們現在休息5分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:51.999714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:53.142571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
休息（11時14分） |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:53.442571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:55.156857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
繼續開會（11時20分） |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:55.456857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-17T11:13:57.171143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
現在繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-06-17T11:13:57.471143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-17T11:14:03.471143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
現在請鄭正鈐委員質詢，鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐，鄭正鈐不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.048 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-06-17T11:14:03.771143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-17T11:14:10.056857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
下一位請何欣純委員質詢，何欣純、何欣純，何欣純不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-06-17T11:14:10.356857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-06-17T11:14:16.642571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
下一位請楊瓊瓔委員質詢，楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔，楊瓊瓔不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-06-17T11:14:16.942571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-06-17T11:14:20.085429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
下一位請鄭天財委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |