| IVOD_ID |
170017 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170017 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T10:31:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T10:43:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f1c6e3f844f8a33906bbd52fc739e044706bfb484b39de060741abac731c48f905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:19 - 10:43:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管 ：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金及核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月25日(星期四)下午5時截止收件】
【6月17日及6月18日二天一次會】） |
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首先有請我們經濟部管部長還有我們水利使我們的林市長部長好今天是主要討論與審查經濟部揮子板 |
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經濟部主管回營業特種基金110年度的預算為了國家經濟的發展原則上我們都會支持今天我先請教水資源作為基金因為我看到你報告裡面 |
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好像都在南部不管巴掌溪、北港溪及水溪的失禁還有及其南鶴高坪縣的清漁失禁這裡面有一段話增編無價料失禁土方去化經費我一直提過了好幾次地方的失禁現在沒有人敢調因為土方的價格非常貴 |
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那你這編列這個預算是針對這幾條溪還是前省如果有在縣管河川中央管河川你這幾條不是中央管河川是不是全部有 |
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土方區劃的經費的補助我希望了解深一點謝謝委員的提醒事實上我們這邊尤其中南部你像白河水庫的集水溪、白水溪那邊都有加料,那些都碰瓦那個沙沒辦法當作有加料來做你不用這樣跟我說 |
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所以我們大家來行堆來行施浚不管有沒有料但是現在我一直強調我再三次好幾次都強調施浚的土房要擺在哪裡沒有人敢負責任所以沒有人敢去標因為你到金光縣的垃圾也賣場面積也不夠大所以大家都不敢收都丟在溪的旁邊這個問題真的要解決我看到這一點 |
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主要還是針對那些飆不出去,因為我們都主要飆,飆到零以下那可能就要做去化,所以作為基金裡面我現在重點,你不要說得那麼複雜你安裝土方去化的補治,你安裝來補治因為時間很短,部長這個問題特別重視一下不是藍部也有 |
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苗栗這次大水災就是這樣的情形報告委員齁 簡單講就是土方我們如果等到無價料那我們會來做一些必要的補貼如果有一些運費尤其有些公共工程我看大部分都是無價料啦對 公共工程有些他有虛土我們甚至運給他缺點要解決 我跟你講的講不完啦你早就要把地方的不是中央管的河川地方管的河川這個問題要考慮解決 |
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對不起,容我再跟您做報告,因為這個裡面的環節很多好,那兩天沒有我這樣,你說的時間就拖著了再來,通貨有水庫啊我們招惹非常重視,我看預算也沒有變,是明年要變嘛 |
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報告委員因為天安水庫目前行政院正在審理中所以我們還沒有配金部長多多支持但是我要交代你一句話水利市40多年沒有建水庫苗栗縣大膽的作為有勇氣的作為而且保證成功這個開了一個縣立出來的時候每個縣市就敢做 |
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這個很重要的一個觀點所以你要自己的管道鼓勵一下是是是我們事實上這件事情也非常感謝苗栗縣政府說老實話那我們署長來講說南北的這個珍珠串啊這個地方選擇過的是珍珠中的珍珠啊 |
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因為它是非常非常重要的一個環節是一個示範作用多多跟苗栗先生鼓勵鼓勵一下然後水的時候南部你說什麼水資資計畫我就不談這個了反正今年沒有切水大概可以確定現在請電力公司林市長謝謝台電公司那個部長 |
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那個回答黃榮鑫說台灣缺電啊他講Maybe啊Maybe的解釋在我來解釋就聽聽就好 古往聽之啊美國商會也特別的關心台灣的電不夠用報紙也出來啊美國人怎麼會關心台灣的電不夠用是要來賣 |
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核電廠還是真的關心臺灣的電不夠用我問你這個問題這兩件事情黃宏勳他今天的新聞他在美國也講說美國要趕快電力需求要電不夠了所以他到哪一個地方都講這件事情全世界都講這件事情他不一定了解臺灣所以他講的話反正大家都很緊張 |
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那第二個美國商會這件事情他沒有提到你如果說不貼電到2032年AI的算力中心是出電的怪獸那你認為在台灣裡面AI算力中心以台電的曾董事長來報告說以後台灣的AI算力要在電廠的附近來蓋才比較妥當 |
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他也講了在桃園新竹以北不蓋AI算力中心這個如果20320不缺電你會不會限制報告委員他是這樣就是說是在有充裕的電廠旁邊來蓋是比較合適要不然你效率是比較好的要不然你搭的但是北部以現在看起來是桃園它是有比較多的電廠是可以的 |
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他現在大臺因為電廠不斷的發展出來所以他有疑慮的有疑慮啦所以你認為現在台灣哪幾個地方因為AI算力中心是算AI裡面最基層五種裡面的一種非常的重要 |
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那用水要很大用電要很大你認為哪裡最適合如果要大的面積來講因為這個小的算力中心5M以上當然是各台灣我們設計用你們可以運用對可以運用但是比如說你要100MW以上的話現在比較有那樣的電力可以供應的現在就是桃園跟高雄 |
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為什麼桃園跟高雄因為他們這個電廠是最多的啊我苗栗沒有嘛你怎麼常常把我把苗栗忘掉我正要問你這句話可是你頭腦裡面啊對苗栗存有偏見的思想我有水庫我有全省台灣第二大的電廠啊你怎麼想到桃園想到高雄我站在中間的位置最好我現在是要問你這個可是你心中沒有苗栗啊雖然你跟我今天講話 |
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中華屋水庫就為了這樣而建了委員我苗栗去好多次你也知道你去好多次都沒有結果嘛你只有到南部才有結果到桃園大的企業財團你才有結果你覺得苗栗有沒有都無所謂無此可證 |
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我本來很尊敬你很謙卑你從國威到現在我就是要問你其實全省最沒有缺水缺電的地方是苗栗是AI算力中心很好你討論沒有中心的事項如果將來天花湖水會被我蓋好更有這個條件 |
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你說怎樣?如果天花湖水庫蓋好更有用什麼天花湖水庫啊本來我們就五座水庫了我們水庫給台中用給新竹科學院去用啊你沒了解不了了對你很失望你從來都沒有關愛的眼神我長期支持你我覺得也沒有什麼價值在 |
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沒有啦 我有長期支持苗栗從我國發會到行政局長到現在你一直去想一想苗栗有土地有水有電是最好發展AI的酸綠中心你要不要支持是 所以這一次美光去苗栗我也支持你現在才想到大公司你才想起來就是為了應用所有科大西部計畫有三個地方有一個科技產業園區部長 |
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雖然很尊敬你但是我發覺你對苗栗縣一點漠不關心我很悲傷失望我一直在提醒你全省裡面最好的善意中心就在苗栗縣我們也準備推展這樣的一個計畫 |
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要不要支持?講得很勉強,你也比較大聲,聽到南部你就很大聲,聽到苗栗你不要嫌票少那邊一定可以改變,你只要拖在那邊拖多一點只是再給我,你這個作業基金裡面,有科技產業園區裡面,我記得編了 |
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16億多啊都在燃脂加工 燃脂科技產業園區第三園區 屏東科技園區苗栗也有科技產業園區啊也能指管單位我現在想一個方向苗栗是財政被受控管的一個縣市裡面我們產業 |
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科技產業引擎在推動,如果我們沒錢的話,可以把你們這個科技產業引擎的作業資金來調度一下專款專用來幫我們開發,這個觀念要改變喔你們現在,我本來要問時間,我怕趙薇一直站起來你們這個都是支台黨的土地嘛 |
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跟委員報告那現在新開發的園區取得土地的速度比較快大概會跟台糖這邊來做溝通找到一些跟農業比較沒有急迫性的然後做檢討我們用區段徵收可能費用會比較高那財政困難保定 |
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我剛剛講你不關心苗栗現在看你如何表現如何關心如果苗栗開發科技產業區在財源調度有困難看你要不要幫忙即使思想方法可以改變不要一直往台廠的土地那邊來因為苗栗剛好台中跟新竹科學園區的中間現在整個串聯起來我要問的問題在這裡 |
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看你有沒有關心我 沒跟你挨罵你做什麼要我還是那個因為當初用台長的土地因為他比較單純單一的這個民主如果說民間用地可以整合好很快速的話我們當然會發言你會遵守啊 我就是要你遵守啊這一點我開始要恢復對你的尊重 |
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到時候不要跟我講很多禮貌這邊困難那邊困難如果民眾支持我們當然會支持好不好如果我們在開發基金有出來專款專用來支持一下因為這個是新子科學研究最重要的一個地方而且是待開發的地方比你高雄比你屏東比你台南還更重要他可以把全省串聯起來拜託一下好不好好謝謝 |
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好 |