| IVOD_ID |
170016 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170016 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T10:20:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T10:31:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d79496a9ef369d5f8667ea6a1b7acb4e6bbd52fc739e044706bfb484b39de0603129c49fc139f4b85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:40 - 10:31:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管 ：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金及核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月25日(星期四)下午5時截止收件】
【6月17日及6月18日二天一次會】） |
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請鄭天才委員質詢召委有請部長有請郭部長召委員長部長好 |
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這個經濟產業延期在台北分級的話有包含了美倫還有和平還有光華產業延期的服務中心這個部分因為我很久沒有去跟他們接觸了我只是請這個產業延期提供目前的營運狀況 |
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就機長請回座好 我們現在也請水利署署長也上來我也好這個花蓮縣馬灘吸菸社福潰壩造成這個整個核體的一個重回當然這段時間從去年的923之後 |
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水族算是最辛苦的现在还在辛苦了现在还在辛苦那我们怎么样去解决这个问题我们共同的要去思考长远的去思考而且要去考量到人民的人民的整个长期毕竟我们的乡亲在这里都是做农的都是做农的 |
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我們看這張圖這張圖是在花蓮光復往南的地方一開始相關的這些土石土石都是堆積在這個無論是這個基本上可能當初都是在這個世期裡面的土石 |
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或是農田的土石堆積在這個台九縣的旁邊這個可能是台湯的土地這很高啊這個照片是空拍的看不出來相當高的這是其中一個部分我們看這個馬太安溪兩側 |
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都是土石了 現在在河床上還是堆積如山的土石了都是土石無論是在佛祖界那邊 那個農田也都是土石 非常高我們看這個 這個就是在馬灘溪裡面包括它的支流也都是非常多的土石我們先姑且不講 |
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上面燕社府那邊非常多的土石嘛這個都是未來會慢慢的流下來雖然現在水很少所以就下大雨可能就是小流但是畢竟還是會流下來所以我們要去做一個比較長遠的這一個規劃去思考這個事情這個重大的問題重大的問題 |
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這個是水利署在鳳林也就是馬灘溪的北側鳳林這個地方堆積了非常非常高的土石你現在用這個有一些用那個這是用什麼蓋 防塵網是不是那個一直防塵也未必 |
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大风的时候是不是能够造成这些是有很有效的减缓 |
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所以這個都是問題啦也不能一直這樣子啦是所以這些土石要去處理要去解決到底應該怎麼去解決等一下我們可以討論當然這裡面也有很多我們人民的鄉親的土地他的農田他的農田這個要你們現在當然你們都有法律法律都可以允許你們趕快先放 |
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因為那是為了這個公共安全證說土地證說條例裡面都有相關法律都可以都符合但是我們畢竟現在從去年的9月23號到現在已經6月了快要滿週年了所以這個都是需要去解決那你們現在 |
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的做法就是希望徵收這個署長報告委員我們現在這些土地都是以架構為主就架構協議更好的價格那如果架構不成才徵收但是在徵收前因為有緊急所以我們原則上會用徵用那徵用會給他價金用公告限職每年10%那目前這些土地大概公告限職的 |
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當作租金的概念所以他等於將來可以拿到1.2倍的一個錢的部分的概念就是兩成因為兩年的話大概有兩成再加上他公告就是徵收的價格那未來 |
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你們是要朝徵收嗎就是架構為主然後徵收為輔因為徵收跟架構你們要用什麼樣的架構是用市場的機制市場機制跟對方談市場機制所以不是市價是市價就是由估價式來估好這個市價談到市價因為市價在那個第七塊在這個七塊是不會有市價的 |
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不會有私價既然可以協議但我的意見未必是最好的那鄉親是不是對鄉親有利我也不知道但是給經濟部給水利署做參考過去現在按照現在的規定 |
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這個徵收是按照市價嘛那因為那個考慮的都是一般市區那個市價比較高嘛那早期啊早期91年那時候是用公告限值公告限值啊必要時得加成補償嘛那以前都是公告限值加4成 |
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那是不是如果你要去評估 你們去跟鄉親談的時候到底試駕有沒有試駕 沒有試駕的話公告限職加試程 會不會比較好我想跟委員報告 謝謝委員關切 |
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那事實上我們在做這個證收已經有行政院有一些政策指示要從寬從幼從速來認定那剛剛委員談的部分我們會列入考量那原則上應該是沒有特別的問題我們都會以現在公告的限值再去乘以必要乘數如果說那邊沒有交易的話正面問題我們會朝向這方面來努力 |
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部長 經費來源是一個需要協助水利署的 |
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那事實上以這個特別預算馬太安西的特別條例的特別預算這個經濟部水利署的經費是已經用了非常多了但是還是不足那我的建議就是說因為行政院還有15億的一倍金 |
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條例規定是300億那行政院編列的預算是270億270億裡面還有15億的一倍金所以這個要去做善用最後這涉及到整個政策 |
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卓榮泰院長宣布國家邁入大填海造陸計畫時代最好的最好的花東的沙石真的很多真的很多這個水利署最清楚尤其是在光馬灘溪那上面還很多所以啊要解決這個整個整體的問題 |
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趁現在還沒有開始做徵收或者說協議把這個經費給鄉親之前是不是要朝左院長眼大的目標填海造陸新加坡就是這樣新加坡的面積越來越大越來越大他們就是填海造陸 |
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所以這個部分有這樣的一個 報告委員是不是容我簡單表達一下首先這個我們現在去化土方有兩個方向第一個方向當然就是拿來多營建土方第二個部分就是委員所談的在花蓮那一邊很多的海岸線有侵蝕的狀況那也是未來對於我們沙石去化的最主要的要點我們都有盤點出來那細節我們再跟委員報告非常謝謝委員的關切 謝謝 |
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努力谢谢谢谢好谢谢郑天才委员何新纯何新 |