| IVOD_ID |
169964 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169964 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-11T11:14:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-11T11:30:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5a3f69ccecb4f85e92d54733cc82ed16fb40f357bf30cd037edf230e2e918ce09b6e307be05129615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:24 - 11:30:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
(一) 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「高級中等教育法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員柯志恩等19人擬具「高級中等教育法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「高級中等教育法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「高級中等教育法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一) 委員王鴻薇等24人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員許宇甄等19人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 國民黨黨團擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 委員羅明才等18人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 委員葛如鈞等17人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 委員羅智強等17人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 委員賴士葆等19人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 委員林倩綺等23人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十一) 委員葉元之等19人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等21人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十四) 委員吳沛憶等21人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十五) 委員張雅琳等18人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十六) 委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十七) 委員吳思瑤等16人擬具「高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查
(一) 委員柯志恩等16人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案
四、審查
(一) 委員王鴻薇等25人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 委員葉元之等18人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 委員許宇甄等19人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 委員陳菁徽等16人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
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有請彭署長跟朱次長謝謝次長委員好好謝謝我想先請教署長在這邊我覺得我必須幫我們的昭偉羅廷偉幫他還一個公道我先講幾件事情我想請問我們次長你知道 |
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立法院各委員會齁其實在會期當中考察是很平常的事情吧對不對是沒錯嘛有分過出國考察國內考察都有嘛對不對那不管是哪一個政黨擔任召委考察都是有的國內的也有這個出國的也有那作為立法政策形成你第一個你先要做實地的了解包括國內的很多考察 |
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你也包括要做其他國家的經驗的所謂的一個探求所以就有國際的部分那我今天真的非常非常遺憾真的非常遺憾羅廷偉召委安排到日本的營養午餐的考察我們的非常感謝我們的署長也有一起參與這個考察收獲勝風待會我會一一來講收獲勝風 |
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但是卻在我們民進黨委員的攻擊之下變成薪水小偷第一件事我就要說請問那個我想請問次長或署長這個日本的考察有拿到教育部的經費嗎用教育部的公費來出國嗎有沒有沒有嘛對不對立法院的也沒有羅廷偉 昭偉在 |
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公布今天調查立委的到日本考察的這個調查表第一張發出去上面就寫所有的經費請委員治理請委員自行負擔的經費包括機票住宿甚至我相信署長您知道我們到日本去吃跟小朋友併桌吃的營養午餐 |
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請問我們吃的營養午餐誰出的錢也是立委自己出的錢啊羅廷偉召委還堅持要付費勒堅持要付費說抱歉這個是我們到人家學校吃的就按照他們的收費標準我們所有委員就要出錢就要付費做到這個程度民進黨開記者會說這用公費考察薪水小偷 |
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我想請教民進黨要不要道歉啊我先不講出國考察民進黨也有啦拿公費的都有啦民進黨不要跟我講說你沒有拿公費出國考察過你國內考察國外考察都有拿公費的也都有結果羅廷輝委員從出發第一刻跟你講這一場是自費自費去考察結果民進黨竟然可以開記者會雙標到這種程度 |
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我這邊必須還給羅廷偉招為一個公道那接下來我就要講 我想請署長我必須說啦 這次去真的對署長我真的是非常的感謝也表示崇高的敬意因為整個過程我們看在眼裡你非常認真在向日本來取經日本的營養午餐是專法吧 對不對 |
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他們實施了非常久嘛對二三十年以上了對不對有沒有參考的價值1954、1968所以他們是最早來做營養午餐專法的那第二個我們在實際考察過程當中我有幾樣東西我印象很深刻啦就剛剛羅廷惠委員也講到了我們有去跟日本的小學生一起吃營養午餐吃營養午餐 |
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我想問一件事,有一件事我印象很深刻署長印象很深刻請問我們台灣的營養午餐通常是幾菜幾湯幾主食原則上三菜一湯,有時候有一水果邊向地區還有可能的點心點心嘛,然後牛奶要看情況嘛,對不對那我想請問你去日本他幾菜幾湯,我們這次去幾菜幾湯 |
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一菜一湯然後有一個牛奶對一湯一湯一湯然後那天剛好有水果他說一年大概兩次水果嘛對不對然後剛好那一年比較少那我要特別講就是說這就是我們有在現場問為什麼他們的所謂的那個菜的種相品相這麼少他怎麼回答我們你還記得嗎 |
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這一點大概個別學校回答的比較不一樣當然他們從營養營養的均衡跟適當的食量等等那以我個人看其實他那一瓶牛奶也是佔的餐費啦是沒錯事實上我的印象很深刻是什麼他們在做所謂的那個營養午餐的滿意度的調查 |
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在州立區的調查幾乎是92、93%的學生都是滿意的我現在署長你也看到我們去那我至少我做的那一班我們是分開的那一班我有特別觀察小朋友是吃得乾乾淨淨的所有的飯跟菜全部吃光光啊那我也直接問他們好不好吃他們就當場跟我講很好吃 |
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所以我看到我們從日本的還有剛剛有講秋刀魚的影片他們在每個飲食他們會做一些影片教小朋友幹嘛 |
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教小朋友什麼?用影片教小朋友幹嘛?什麼撥刺啦讓他在整個食的過程享受到魚肉的鮮美但是不會擔心到那個受到刺的這個影響做了以後效果是什麼?這個滿意度也蠻高的小朋友也是真的可以因為影片而真的享受到魚肉的這個食用的過程 |
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還有一個重點他們的廚餘就變少了相對的就會變少因為小朋友知道怎麼吃魚怎麼把魚翅挑出來所以就不會留下太多的魚肉在廚餘裡面為什麼從這些細節開始講我就要講今天我去日本考察營養午餐我特別感受到一個很強烈的東西是日本的營養午餐它不是單純把它當成所謂的社會福利或是照顧 |
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他把它當成幾個重點第一個飲食教育對不對第二個健康教育特別倡導說糖尿病要從小學的營養午餐開始就教起就是要從飲食當中來去防治各種慢性病 |
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這次的考察我們幾乎是從早然後到晚就在不斷的再去跟日本的各個單位來交流也包括數學教育啦也包括說今天營養午餐資訊教育都有這是一個非常有意義的一個國外的考察 |
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那我就覺得說今天自己受益甚豐所以我必須在這邊也要透過這個質詢來告訴大家我們台灣既然要討論營養午餐的專法那當然要跟今天營養午餐法已經行之有年的日本來去參考他們立法的經驗這絕對是今天有一個有品質立法應該做的事情這我必須給羅廷偉委員一個還他一個公道那下一個我想請教一下我們的次長 |
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如果大人害怕小孩這世界就完蛋了請問這句話出處你知道是哪裡嗎鐵拳教育打對鐵拳教育我剛剛看質詢說你沒有看鐵拳教育嘛因為有10個小時不好意思我會抽空來看沒有你要不要看我覺得這點是尊重次長的判斷但我要跟你講就是說基本上我們現在老師有很多恐懼你知道吧 |
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有很多恐懼啊恐懼所謂的濫訴恐懼所謂的濫用檢舉恐懼網報恐懼校內的一些霸凌恐懼一些所謂的少年犯運用所謂的少年保護來去欺壓學生當老師恐懼教育環境的時候市長你覺得受害者是老師而已嗎 |
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是嗎不管是老師或學生如果校園讓親師生都感到恐懼這是我們必須要很嚴肅面對的問題沒錯 我告訴你多大老師都恐懼教育現場環境這個世界就完了為什麼受害的不只是老師受害的包括學生的受教權受害的是今天老師如果沒有辦法好好教育的話國家也不會有未來 |
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為什麼今天雖然次長沒有看過鐵拳教育裡面當然有很多戲劇化的手法那是另外的問題但是它為什麼引起這麼大的共鳴次長你知道嗎 為什麼我是有看到一些相關的評論主要是這某種程度是來自於教育現場一些觀察跟反應就是這個部分可能切合現在他們的經驗是的 我跟次長說 |
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裡面幾乎啊完完全全大家沒有任何陌生全部發生在教育現場不只南韓獨有台灣也是啊其中一集講國會議員的兒子仗著父親的勢力霸凌學校同學那也有少年犯仗著法律的保護在校園橫行霸道 |
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公然挑釁 還傷害 惡毒傷害被害者家屬很多人看到這就想到2023年新北校園的戈井案啊毒品現在侵入校園的嚴重性與日俱增大家看到裡面所有的一些隱具的情節跟教育現場幾乎是一模一樣這才會產生強大的共鳴我再講一集我覺得更是幾乎百分之百命中 |
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他有一集講恐龍家長如何濫用檢舉制度長期壓迫老師市長你知道這在台灣也發生過一模一樣的事吧您知道吧有看到有類似的評論跟建議不是類似的評論跟建議啊市長您是教育部的官員啊你是學生的後盾 也是老師的後盾是教育現場必須走出這種所謂惡質霸凌之風 |
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的一個最強大的後盾媒體有報導有一位教學20年在台南市國中任教的謝信老師2024年4月因為關心學生的學習狀況在聯絡簿上寫下數學是不是練習較少寫下這句話引發家長強烈反彈家長指控老師的一句話會摧毀孩子的生命 |
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然後呢投訴到教育局接著擴大成40多項投訴連他午休時提醒學生不要關燈寫練習卷要保護眼睛也變成說是侵害學生的權益甚至三四年前的臉書貼文都被翻出來檢舉2024年8月校士會議調查結果認定40多項投訴均無違規 |
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家長還是持續啊持續繼續爛訴啊然後要求逐項說明投訴為什麼不成立在調查過程有無瑕疵在沒有新市政的情況之下同年12月原本調查沒有任何違規的報告改成四項成立老師難以接受問為什麼結果不同就調查委員跟他講啊你被投訴這麼多項如果一項都沒有成立家長會覺得我們只是 |
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在幹嘛暴斃老師啊 |
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因此還被學校寄申戒一次 考積打一等 考積獎金減半然後被列為追蹤名單 撰寫五千字報告 參加四小時研習最後訴願成功 經歷八個月的投訴調查四個月的考核會審查 到十個月的訴訟兩年漫長程序 折磨到身心俱疲最後他已經不知該如何重返校園了 |
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這位老師他撐過了這場磨爛但是不像劇中的老師他今天幾乎撐不下去為什麼幾乎一模一樣如果你去看那一集你會發現一模一樣完全一樣他為什麼形成強大的共鳴就是現在大家擔憂的是我們教育現場對老師而言已經是惡化到今天執教非常困難了 |
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在這種情況之下我們教育部非常有責任要去解決這個問題那為什麼要舉這個例子我要告訴現在校事會議就是有爛輸的情況沒錯吧就是有些爛輸的情況吧 |
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所以說我們在今年1月也針對校事會議也針對匿名檢舉針對分流針對於相關的資訊輔助人的部分我們都有做了調整也期待說在這半年我們收整現場一些狀況之後在今年7月中能夠再進行整個檢討分析看是不是要能夠再進一步精進是不是還有什麼不足的部分可以用來讓整個一個校事會議制度能夠更完整我要跟 |
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次長說啊 校事會議 今天純廢是一件事改革是非常必要的我們就很多老師在教育現場不堪霸凌 不堪濫訴就選擇走上我們最不樂見的路這樣的去對老師的這種欺壓我說過傷害的不是老師而已 |
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傷害是整個教育現場跟環境傷害是學生的受教訓傷害是國家的未來所以為什麼今天要嚴肅來討論這件事情希望教育部今天真的要肩膀扛起來把我們老師扛起來不要讓老師獨自承受這樣一個黑暗的霸凌以上 謝謝是 謝謝委員長 |