| IVOD_ID |
169938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169938 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T11:49:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T12:06:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea56ec958607540604a02c75a4b042dc367519726d100e90c4d59a766c9ad8cead35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:49:25 - 12:06:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
【6月10日會議僅進行詢答】
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩請那個副市長請副市長 |
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我們現在討論軍公教育加薪除了給軍公教育一定的尊重之外其實是要解決全台公務人員缺額率逐漸創新高的問題現在數據是缺額逐漸是創新高報考人數也變少了離職跟離退同步攀升而且都會缺口最嚴重現在台北市的缺額已經到20%這個嚴重狀況你應該知道吧 |
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跟委員報告這個台北市那個可能就是美女報點有一點偏誤因為他們是他最大的問題應該是在勢力聯誼他雖然有正式的原則他為了經營的關係因為我要問的重點在後面但是公務人員變就是缺額變多是事實是一個趨勢這個是不容否認所以我不太懂說前一個范雲委員去懲罵總統時代加薪多少幹嘛馬總統時代公務人員有離職潮那麼高嗎有缺額這麼多嗎 |
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沒有嘛 那時候公務員鐵半碗欸 大家擠得進欸大家都搶著要報效國家 搶著然後軍公教那時候待遇也比較好嘛跟委員報告就是跟經濟情況有很大的關係對嘛 所以跟經濟情況就有關係所以兩個年代就不 現在是民間的經濟比較差的話所以副委員長你就講對 那你剛剛就不敢講啊你就不敢講說馬總統那時候經濟狀況沒有差到那麼大啊 |
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然後所以去扯這個我真的覺得有時候去脈絡化的討論喔在這邊帶風向好像民進黨做得比較好啊什麼什麼馬總統對軍工業比較差啊這種我真的有時候真的聽不太下去啦我們大家就就事論事要解決問題嘛好那這個副仁市長對啦那副仁市長您自己也常常在臉書發表文章啦有一篇文章我也看了你說明你說明年政府肯定會調薪啦只是你那個不是我的臉書發表員不是你的臉書是不是 |
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那這是這不是我不是 這另外一位啦另外一位 對不起沒有 是另外一位那這一個這一個人 施能傑對不起他不是你 對不起他講說 |
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前面他是在講他不支持定額調薪他不是定額調薪他是支持按照比例調薪原因是因為如果按照如果定額調薪的話那高薪的跟低薪的最後的差距會越來越小他認為責任責任的重點應該是說越高薪的負越大的責任這就是他的看法可是他下面講了一個他說 |
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主張定額調薪論點總是拿第一跟第二值月薪低為理由認為和最低工資差距只有幾千塊然後他講說這個解決這個方案應該是其他什麼意思呢就是我們先不去炒說到底要定額調薪還是按照比例調薪但是大家都可以有共識的就是值等比較低的他的薪水確實是很低 |
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因為我也有跟很多就是很基層的他做很久了十幾二十年了薪水都加一點點每次都會按照那個比例加薪加到後來他都無感他說他按照比例加薪有時候不如不加那是某一個人的特定看法也不見得代表全部啦為什麼呢因為通常這樣子加的結果呢通膨就會比較嚴重他買便當的錢會變高有時候他加薪的一點點呢其實抵不上通膨的速度 |
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這個是某一位某一部分的人的心聲我是給你參考所以我覺得現在 |
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我們先不去炒說到底要按照比例調薪還是定額調薪但是針對很基層的人他們的薪水的樓地板把它提高我覺得是有必要的那我特別去看的就是公務人員公友跟技工的薪水像公務人員現在最低薪資的三萬四這就按照富人市長所講的在跟業界是沒有競爭力的啦那更不要講公友現在是三萬二啦技工是三萬三這樣的薪水啊 |
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你要請到人來其實真的非常困難你到公部門的責任壓力啊受的法規的約束規範都是比較嚴格的所以我在想你們可不可以針對樓地板的部分至少針對樓地板的部分做一個定額的調薪嘛比如說怎麼樣把它拉到跟這個業界至少差不多的水準甚至稍微有點誘因讓大家願意進來我知道這個人事總署有沒有做這樣的規劃有沒有 |
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跟委員報告這一段期間我們都一直在蒐集各界的意見當然各種意見都有就是包括委員剛才講的到底是怎麼調調多少其實大家都很多針對問題回答我們會 |
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針對問題回答所有的我們都會去考慮針對問題回答我的問題是什麼問題是說基層的部分要不要把它對所以我就針對我這個問題針對這個問題回答這是以我們主管機關立場我們提方案的時候我們會去考慮你說考慮什麼但是我們還要通過你不要講一個那麼籠統什麼什麼方案都可以我現在的問題是什麼 |
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我的問題是什麼我花那麼多時間跟你陳述這個事情低階的公務員的薪水能夠把他提高一點嘛樓地板提高那針對這件事情您的看法是什麼我們會去努力啦你們會去努力那大概什麼時候會有方案出來我們的方案我們之前有報告過我們這個是要搭配總預算一定要提高 |
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搭配總預算的期程所以上次我在委員會有報告說所以針對就是七一層的公務人員的樓地板提高這個方案什麼時候會提出來只要搭配總預算所以這大概是什麼時候所以大概是什麼時候 |
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我們就希望7月以前可以送到7月以前針對這個樓地板提高的這個方案7月我們會通案對不要講通案我現在沒有講通案我說針對樓地板提高這個方案你是說7月會提出來嗎是不是我們是整個方案會去考慮不會單獨一個方案不是啦那你就在糊弄我嘛我在外面打B我不會是糊弄你 |
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那副委員市長你覺得應不應該樓地板提高你覺得應不應該樓地板提高你覺得應不應該樓地板提高你樓地板提高你覺得應不應該樓地板提高這個我不反對我不反對你覺得應不應該上次我其實已經你覺得應不應該我已經報告過了照顧基層也是你覺得應不應該照顧基層是應該的你覺得應該照顧基層所以要做嘛那什麼時辰什麼時辰的話是七月嘛OK好謝謝 |
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接下來我們再來看還有一個跟公務人員福利也比較有關的就是所謂的育嬰留職停薪現在因為公務人員育嬰留職停薪他的勤領的津貼是按照本縫乘以0.8 |
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但是因為很多公務員他們的其實所有的薪資是本奉加上加給嘛所以才是他真正每個月的薪資但本奉通常比較不是不是完成的薪資嘛那你如果用本奉去乘0.8會造成一個狀況就是他們勤領的預因留職停薪的津貼比勞保還要低啦比一般勞保還要低啦那這個部分人事總署有發現嗎 |
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這個問題就是因為現在的育嬰留子今天不管是公園老公其實都是在保險裡面去處理公保老闆去處理那公保老闆處理他的財務是自主所以他都是用他的保訪 |
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去當然嘛但是這個制度是政府訂的嘛委員的意見我們可以這是政府訂的這是你知道你自己在講什麼嗎這個制度是政府訂的當然是按照保險但是這個制度是政府訂的我現在是指出這個問題嘛 |
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就是現在公務人員的公務人員在請育嬰停職津貼他所請領的是比一般勞工還有低因為他本分低於最低薪資嘛而且這人不少啊去年我問了大概五千個公務人員去請育嬰留職津貼然後大概有兩成的人一千的人他領的錢是比最低薪資能夠領到的育嬰留職津貼的津貼還要少嘛跟委員跟委員報告其實這個 |
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這個主管機關全局部其實之前就有在考慮這個問題他們會在這個去考慮因為你是人總人總其實也是就管所有公務人員的嗎我們跟考試院我們跟考試院都是協作很多跌床架屋的狀況我們就不去講了啦但是如果就是對啦這個部分你們去注意大概什麼時候會提出一個方案出來 |
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應該是在這個年度內就會提啦這個年度就是這個年度就會提因為那個是法案嘛他要有法案他要送到考試院院會然後再來我跟您請教一下齁這個有關於身心調適加我請教育部一起上來好不好教育部的人一起上來齁身心現在這個政府啊之前很高調的宣布啊 |
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所以為了要推動健康台灣所以呢要給公務人員包括老師在內要有三天的身心調適假就是讓大家可以保持良好的身心狀態而且感覺上很體恤公務人員很體恤老師啦那這裡面有幾個問題第一個我問一下富仁市長身心調適假目前實施以來請人多不多我看的數字是 |
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也還蠻多的現在中央跟地方我們統計到4月底因為他那個每個的這個採集系統是各自不一樣他們會有一個定期的時間會到給我們現在是有申請的是有29673人次大概佔多少比例比例我是倒是沒去算但是這個比例應該 |
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也不算低啦不算低所以你自己覺得生性調適價的成果好嗎現在看起來是有一些效果因為總的時數也達到26萬多小時如果生性調適價有人請的話那我就舉出幾個我覺得不合理的地方第一個你的生性調適價是併入7天市價計算對不對換言之在人事總署的觀念裡面生性調適價就是有市對吧 |
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你們的價別分併價 市價 公價嘛結果你認為身心條市價你有市 所以你請身心條市價他是併入市價計算他不是獨立的價別所以換言之你有七天的免就是不用薪資的市價他請的身心條市價 那個七天 |
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就是不扣薪的市價就少了三天跟葉委員報告他其實莊瑞雄莊召委也有提同樣的問題啦有提同樣的問題你特別提到莊瑞雄幹嘛剛剛有 他剛剛有講剛剛他們有提問所以我今天有請人是總長不是啦 那現在是我在質詢啊 |
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所以我會說我這個會移併我不知道他講什麼啊因為我剛剛在忙別的事啊就是新一條市價這個什麼樣啊新一條市價怎麼樣啊你就針對我的問題回答就好了所以是現在是怎麼樣莊惠熊我沒有聽啊一樣啦就是一樣的問題什麼問題啊就是新一條市價併入市價這個問題所以是外加三天是不是 |
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他也認為這個可以再放寬那這個部分我們就一併跟全局部來討論 |
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因為不好意思啦 因為這是我的職運時間我是外委員會的 所以其他你們的委員會在問什麼我並沒有聽所以他講什麼我不知道所以我今天針對我的問題 我覺得七天試駕 你是含三天而且你把身心調適駕是病毒試駕 你感覺是有人請身心調適駕代表他有事 |
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可是你們當初提說要提這個身心調適之下說健康台灣是為了身心健康結果你把他定位在有事你有事很奇怪我覺得第一個這個很奇怪第二個第二就是外加的部分 |
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委員要不要給我一點時間說明我其實可以跟委員做說明當初這個身心調適駕並試駕其實有很多各種不同的聲音在考慮也有一部分人認為說你如果給他這個太明顯的標籤話會讓同仁不敢申請不是一樣嗎你現在就鼓勵大家去請身心調適駕然後你還說我怕標籤話所以你就偷偷默默請就好你只要請試駕不要請身心調適駕 |
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那所以最後的大概建議是說先併入試駕然後就是不需要提旅遊然後身心調適下也不會影響到烤雞等等的其實它還是有差別 |
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還是有差別對他不會影響他考進去請試駕考進去所以有兩個問題嘛第一個我覺得不應該叫試駕啦身心調適駕不應該叫試駕啦我覺得啦因為你主要是要大家調適身心嘛這是第一個層次的問題第二個層次的問題才是說你外加要加幾天嘛他還是叫身心調適駕他叫身心調適駕但是是外加的你等於多給他三天駕 |
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那這個三天假是不是三天是不是三天然後是不是外加這是第二個層次的問題這是我提出來的好不好然後然後教育部教育部我跟您請教一下這個 |
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身心調試這樣 一樣站在公務人員角度是希望公務人員維持身心健康 放鬆心情然後讓他可以這個工作上面或者是在各方面可以更順利在職場 在教師的現場也是一樣但是其實你有沒有發現現在其實老師壓力非常大我跟非常多老師聊天 都跟我反應他們都帶著熱忱到教育現場裡面去很多老師現在都在看身心科了 |
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但他看身心科絕對不是你放個三天身心調適假就可以解決這個問題了嘛所以你們有沒有去特別去了解一下背後真正原因是什麼有嗎這才是你要去解決的我就舉一個大家都知道前一段時間很不幸就是高雄有一個老師選擇用方式結束他的生命大家都覺得非常的難過教育現場已經失序了然後最近又有一個高雄一個網紅的老師忽然間問說學校最高有幾層樓 |
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然後被大家勸去送醫這個我不知道教育部知不知道情況是逐漸在惡化當中這不是靠三天身心調試假就可以解決的然後發生這樣的不幸事件的時候教育部是怎麼叫老師們去維持身心健康呢怎麼解決教師情緒呢去上自殺防治研習就叫他老師去唱研習老師更生氣 |
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因為上研習還要額外排自己的時間上那種研習有用嗎你不如讓他好好休息所以很多老師就講你看一年的研習那麼多時間環境教育 交通安全 特殊教育又防智商 情緒教育又一大堆只要好像注意到什麼就叫老師去做研習重視交通安全就叫老師去研習重視情緒教育又老師又要去研習 |
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一直去研習研習有用研習如果有用的話現在這個狀況不會這麼嚴重所以真的請教育部我覺得人總也要負起責任教育教師也是公務人員吧應該人總也管得到吧 |
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好 是麻煩那個葉委員這個禁訴是不是可以你們真的請教育部你們去針對真的會造成老師身心會有壓力的那個部分去檢討而不是這民進黨政府都很會宣傳啊身心調度假好棒啊這樣子啊就可以促進健康台灣的有那麼容易嗎如果那麼容易的話會造成這些狀況嗎教育部 |
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跟委員報告教育部其實一直都很重視我們教師的一個職場環境那也做了很多的努力啦那我相信委員在教委在教委委員會裡面應該都有看到教育部的努力我是沒看到很努力啦不要在這邊內宣啦要講講不完的啦如果教育部那麼努力的話老師都不會這麼無力了啦我現在發現教育部的問題就是自我感覺良好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝葉委員的資訊 |
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葉委員元之 |
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麻煩請副人事長。 |
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主席 |
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請副人事長。 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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1 |
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副人事長，我們現在看一下。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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其實我們現在討論軍公教加薪，除了給軍公教一定的尊重之外，其實是要解決全臺公務人員缺額率逐漸創新高的問題。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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現在的數據是缺額逐漸創新高，報考人數也變少了，離職跟離退同步攀升，而且都會區缺口最嚴重。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:08.867000+08:00 |
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現在臺北市的缺額已經到20%，這個嚴重狀況你應該知道吧？ |
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1 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:13.192000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:18.254000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，臺北市的部分可能是媒體報導有一點偏誤…… |
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0.739 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:18.254000+08:00 |
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1 |
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那你看應該是多少？ |
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0.125 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:22.835000+08:00 |
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它最大的問題應該是在市立聯醫。 |
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0.714 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:23.455000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-10T11:50:24.696000+08:00 |
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它雖然有正式的員額，但為了經營的關係…… |
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0.765 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:24.696000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:25.696000+08:00 |
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沒關係！ |
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0 |
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葉委員元之 |
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我要問的重點在後面。 |
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1 |
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葉委員元之 |
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但是公務人員缺額變多是事實，是一個趨勢，這個是不容否認的。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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所以，我不太懂前一個范雲委員去扯馬總統時代加薪多少幹嘛！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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馬總統時代，公務人員離職潮有那麼高嗎？ |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:28.717000+08:00 |
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有缺額這麼多嗎？ |
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1 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:43.061000+08:00 |
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沒有嘛！ |
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1 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:44.162000+08:00 |
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那時候公務人員鐵飯碗耶！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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大家擠著進耶！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:47.763000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:49.284000+08:00 |
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大家都搶著要報效國家！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:51.125000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:52.526000+08:00 |
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而且那時候軍公教待遇也比較好嘛！ |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:52.786000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:55.768000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，跟經濟情況有很大的關係。對嘛！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:56.308000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:50:57.889000+08:00 |
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所以跟經濟情況就有關係！ |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:00.030000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:01.551000+08:00 |
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現在是民間的經濟比較暢旺。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:01.671000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:03.792000+08:00 |
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所以兩個年代就不……所以副人事長你講對了，但你剛剛就不敢講啊！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:04.152000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:05.132000+08:00 |
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你就不敢講說馬總統那時候經濟狀況沒有差到那麼大啊！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:08.554000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:09.395000+08:00 |
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所以去扯這個…… |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:09.395000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:10.395000+08:00 |
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但我們還是希望經濟狀況好。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:09.395000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:19.522000+08:00 |
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我真的覺得有時候去脈絡化的討論，在這邊帶風向，好像民進黨做得比較好，馬總統對軍公教比較差，這種我有時候真的聽不太下去啦！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:19.682000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:21.703000+08:00 |
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我們大家就就事論事、要解決問題嘛！ |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:21.703000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:24.965000+08:00 |
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我們一向都在解決問題。對啦！ |
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0.167 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:24.965000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:29.788000+08:00 |
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副人事長，您自己也常在臉書發表文章，有一篇文章我也看了。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:30.429000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:34.031000+08:00 |
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你說明年政府肯定會調薪，只是你…… |
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1 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:34.712000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:34.972000+08:00 |
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報告委員，那個不是我的臉書。 |
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0.667 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:34.992000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:35.152000+08:00 |
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不是你的臉書嗎？ |
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0.857 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:38.234000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:38.534000+08:00 |
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那這是…… |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:40.677000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:41.057000+08:00 |
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那不是我的臉書。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:41.197000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:42.539000+08:00 |
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不是，這是另外一位啦！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:43.460000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:43.600000+08:00 |
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對不起！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:44.481000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:48.766000+08:00 |
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是另外一位，是施能傑。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:50.408000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:50.828000+08:00 |
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不是你，對不起！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:51:54.137000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:06.280000+08:00 |
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前面他是在講他不支持定額調薪，他是支持按照比例調薪，原因是，如果定額調薪的話，那高薪的跟低薪的最後差距會越來越小。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:06.541000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:23.368000+08:00 |
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他認為責任的重點應該是越高薪的負越大的責任，這是他的看法，可是他下面又講了，主張定額調薪的論點，總是拿第一跟第二職等的月薪低為理由，認為和最低工資差距只有幾千塊。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:23.368000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:26.950000+08:00 |
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然後他說，解決這個問題的方案應該是其他。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:27.130000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:27.591000+08:00 |
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什麼意思呢？ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:28.291000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:37.317000+08:00 |
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就是我們先不去吵到底是要定額調薪，還是按照比例調薪，但是大家都有共識的，就是職等比較低的，他的薪水確實是很低。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:37.777000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:46.064000+08:00 |
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因為我也有跟很多很基層的聊，他做很久了，十幾、二十年了，薪水都加一點點，每次都是按照比例加薪，加到後來他都無感。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:46.584000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:49.547000+08:00 |
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他說他按照比例加薪，有時候不如不加！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:49.807000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:53.069000+08:00 |
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那是某一個人的特定看法，也不見得代表全部啦！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:53.690000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:53.930000+08:00 |
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為什麼呢？ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:54.090000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:59.254000+08:00 |
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因為通常這樣子加的結果，通膨就會比較嚴重，他買便當的錢就會變高。 |
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0.966 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:52:59.495000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:02.277000+08:00 |
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有時候他加薪的一點點其實抵不上通膨的速度。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:03.139000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:07.272000+08:00 |
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這是某一部分人的心聲，我只是給你參考。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:07.814000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:19.260000+08:00 |
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所以，我們先不去吵到底是要按照比例調薪，還是定額調薪，但是針對很基層的人，把他們薪水的樓地板提高，我覺得是有必要的。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:19.960000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:24.544000+08:00 |
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我特別去看了公務人員、工友跟技工的薪水，公務人員現在的最低薪資是3萬4,000元。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:25.485000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:32.451000+08:00 |
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按照副人事長所講的，這個跟業界是沒有競爭力的，那更不要講工友現在是3萬2,000元，技工是3萬3,000元。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:33.332000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:38.356000+08:00 |
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這樣的薪水，你要請到人來，其實真的非常困難。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:38.356000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:43.179000+08:00 |
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你到公部門的責任、壓力、受的法規約束和規範都是比較嚴格的。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:43.740000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:50.405000+08:00 |
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所以我在想，你們可不可以至少針對樓地板的部分做一個定額的調薪？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:51.005000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:58.711000+08:00 |
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比如說，怎麼樣把它拉到跟業界至少差不多的水準，甚至稍微有點誘因，讓大家願意進來？ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:53:58.711000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:01.173000+08:00 |
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我不知道人事總處有沒有做這樣的規劃？ |
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0.882 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:03.313000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:16.869000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實這一段期間我們都一直在蒐集各界的意見，當然各種意見都有，包括委員剛才講的，到底是怎麼調及調多少，其實大家都有很多…… |
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0.932 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:21.254000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:21.434000+08:00 |
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針對問題回答。 |
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1 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:21.874000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:54:23.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
所有的我們都會去考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:23.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:23.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
針對問題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:23.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:23.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我的問題是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:23.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:24.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你的問題是說，基層的部分要不要把它…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:25.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:25.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
對，所以就要針對我這個問題。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:25.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:26.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我們會納進去…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:25.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:25.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
針對這個問題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:26.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:27.800000+08:00 |
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就是以我們主管機關立場，我們提方案的時候，我們會去考慮，因為我們還要通過…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:27.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:28.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
你說考慮什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:28.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:31.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
你不要講一個那麼籠統，什麼方案都……我現在的問題是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:45.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:46.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我的問題是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:46.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:48.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我花那麼多時間跟你陳述這個事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:50.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:55.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
你現在是說技工、工友等低階公務員的薪水能夠把它提高一點嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.593 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:55.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:56.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
樓地板提高！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:56.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-10T11:54:57.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
樓地板提高嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-10T11:54:57.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:00.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
那針對這件事情，你的看法是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:00.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:01.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我們會去努力啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:01.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:02.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
你們會去努力？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:02.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:04.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
那大概什麼時候會有方案出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:04.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:14.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我們之前大概有報告過，我們的方案是要搭配總預算，一定要提出來，搭配總預算的期程。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:14.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:15.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
所以上次我在委員會有報告過，我們可能6、7月…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:16.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:22.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
所以針對基層公務人員的樓地板提高這個方案，什麼時候會提出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:22.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:26.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
是要搭配總預算，所以大概是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:26.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:27.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我們會在這整個調薪的…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:27.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:28.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
所以大概是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:28.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:30.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我們希望7月以前可以送到…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:30.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
7月以前，針對樓地板提高的這個方案，7月…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我們會通案檢討…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
不要講通案！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:31.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:33.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我現在沒有在講通案，我就針對樓地板提高這個方案，你是說7月會提出來嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:33.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:33.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:33.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:34.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我們是整個方案會去考慮，不會單獨一個考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:34.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
那你就是在糊弄我嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
我問A，你在答B！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我不會是糊弄！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:35.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:48.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
跟委員報告……調待大家都在擔心說……照現有的機制…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:48.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:48.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
副人事長，你覺得應不應該把樓地板提高？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:50.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
樓地板提高這個方案，我不反對，我一向…… |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
你不反對？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
樓地板提高，你覺得應不應該？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:51.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
上次我其實已經報告過了，照顧基層也是我們的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
你覺得應不應該？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
照顧基層是應該的，我們一定要照顧基層。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:53.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:54.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你覺得應該照顧基層，所以要做嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:54.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:55.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
至於什麼時程，是7月嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-06-10T11:55:55.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-06-10T11:55:55.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-06-10T11:56:16.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-06-10T11:56:23.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
接下來我們再來看，還有一個跟公務人員福利也比較有關的，就是所謂的育嬰留職停薪。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-06-10T11:56:24.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-06-10T11:56:42.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
現在公務人員育嬰留職停薪請領的津貼是按照本俸乘以0.8，但是公務人員所有的薪資是本俸加上加給，這樣才是他真正每個月的薪資，本俸通常不是完整的薪資。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:56:43.504000+08:00 |
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你如果用本俸去乘0.8，會造成一個狀況，就是他們請領的育嬰留職停薪津貼比一般勞保還要低。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:56:53.331000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:56:54.591000+08:00 |
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這個部分人事總處有發現嗎？ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:56:58.398000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:05.004000+08:00 |
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因為現在的育嬰留職津貼，不管是公務員、勞工，其實都是在保險裡面去處理，也就是在公保、勞保去處理。 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:07.526000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:15.939000+08:00 |
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因為它的財務是自主，所以都是用他的保俸去算。 |
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0.75 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:16.980000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:16.980000+08:00 |
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當然啊！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:17.481000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:19.283000+08:00 |
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但是這個制度是政府訂的嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:20.404000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-06-10T11:57:21.885000+08:00 |
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委員的意見我們可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:23.948000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:25.549000+08:00 |
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你知道你自己在講什麼嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:25.549000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:27.391000+08:00 |
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這制度是政府訂的，當然是按照保險！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:28.733000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:29.634000+08:00 |
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我現在是指出這個問題嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:29.634000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:31.195000+08:00 |
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對，委員的問題我們再跟銓敍部來討論。 |
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0 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:31.195000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:41.881000+08:00 |
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就是現在公務人員在請育嬰留職津貼，他所請領的是比一般勞工還要低，因為他本俸低於最低薪資，而且這樣的人不少啊！ |
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0.9 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:42.501000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:54.767000+08:00 |
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去年我問了，大概5,000個公務人員去請育嬰留職停薪，然後大概有兩成、1,000個人領的錢是比最低薪資能夠領到的育嬰留職停薪的津貼還要少。 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:57:55.928000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:04.431000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實主管機關銓敍部之前就有在考慮這個問題啦！ |
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0.885 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:04.431000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:07.632000+08:00 |
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他們會再去考慮…… |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:08.773000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:18.316000+08:00 |
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人總其實也是管所有公務人員的，當然你們跟考試院很多疊床架屋的狀況我們就不去講了，但是…… |
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0.9 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:18.316000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:21.857000+08:00 |
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我們跟考試院都是協作，因為這個母法的主管機關是他。 |
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0.043 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:21.857000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:23.617000+08:00 |
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這個部分你們去注意。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-06-10T11:58:23.938000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:26.698000+08:00 |
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大概什麼時候會提出一個方案出來？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:33.025000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:34.426000+08:00 |
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應該是在這個年度內就會提了。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:35.486000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:35.787000+08:00 |
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這個年度？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:37.007000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:38.648000+08:00 |
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對，這個年度就會提，因為那個是法案嘛！ |
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0.938 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:39.588000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:41.409000+08:00 |
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有法案，他還要送到考試院院會去，才有辦法送過來。好。 |
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0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:42.730000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:48.053000+08:00 |
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再來我跟你請教一下，有關於身心調適假，我請教育部代表一起上來好不好？ |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:58:53.375000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:10.589000+08:00 |
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政府之前很高調地宣布，說為了要推動健康臺灣，所以要給公務人員3天的身心調適假，包括老師在內，讓大家可以保持良好的身心狀態。 |
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0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:10.949000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:13.391000+08:00 |
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感覺上很體恤公務人員、很體恤老師。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:15.552000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:21.195000+08:00 |
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這裡面有幾個問題：第一個，我請教副人事長，身心調適假目前實施以來，請的人多不多？ |
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| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:21.336000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:28.628000+08:00 |
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我看的數字是還滿多的。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:28.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:29.628000+08:00 |
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滿多是多少？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:29.228000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:42.196000+08:00 |
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現在中央跟地方我們統計到4月底，因為每個的差勤系統各自不一樣，他們會有一個定期的時間會倒給我們。 |
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0.932 |
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張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:42.196000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:47.839000+08:00 |
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現在有申請的是有2萬9,673人次。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:48.640000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:49.761000+08:00 |
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大概占多少比例？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:50.521000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:56.683000+08:00 |
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比例我倒是沒去算，但是這個比例應該也不算低啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:56.944000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:57.244000+08:00 |
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不算低？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:57.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T11:59:58.784000+08:00 |
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對，不算低，因為這是…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-06-10T11:59:58.784000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:00:01.726000+08:00 |
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你自己覺得身心調適假的成果好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
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2026-06-10T12:00:01.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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2026-06-10T12:00:07.968000+08:00 |
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現在看起來是有一些效果，因為總時數也達到二十六萬多小時。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:07.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-10T12:00:08.968000+08:00 |
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我們會鼓勵……好。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:07.968000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:00:12.550000+08:00 |
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如果身心調適假有人請的話，那我就舉出幾個我覺得不合理的地方。 |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:13.291000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:00:16.992000+08:00 |
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第一個，你的身心調適假是併入7天事假計算，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:16.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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2026-06-10T12:00:21.454000+08:00 |
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換言之，在人事總處的觀念裡面，身心調適假就是有事，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:23.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:25.677000+08:00 |
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你們的假別分病假、事假和公假。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:27.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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2026-06-10T12:00:33.981000+08:00 |
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你認為身心調適假是有事，所以請身心調適假是併入事假計算，而不是獨立的假別。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:35.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:43.547000+08:00 |
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換言之，你有7天不扣薪資的事假，請了身心調適假之後，那不扣薪的7天事假就少了3天。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:43.727000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.209000+08:00 |
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跟葉委員報告，剛剛其實莊瑞雄莊召委也有提同樣的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
你特別提到莊瑞雄幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
剛剛他有講。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:45.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:46.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
剛剛他有提問，所以我已經有請人事總長，希望能夠…… |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:46.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:46.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:46.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:47.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
但現在是我在質詢啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:47.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-06-10T12:00:59.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
請他回復這個議題。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-06-10T12:00:59.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:02.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
所以我說我這個會一併跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:02.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:06.354000+08:00 |
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我不知道他講什麼，因為我剛剛在忙別的事啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:06.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:08.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
就是身心調適假這個問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:09.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:09.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
身心調適假怎麼樣啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:09.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:12.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
你就針對我的問題回答就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:12.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:14.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
所以現在是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:14.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:15.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
莊瑞雄講的我沒有聽啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:15.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:16.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
就是一樣的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:16.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:16.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
什麼問題啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:16.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:17.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
就是身心調適假併入事假的這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:17.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:17.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
所以是外加3天是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:23.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:31.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
他也認為這個部分可以再放寬，那我們就一併跟銓敘部來討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:33.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:34.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
不好意思！ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:35.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:45.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
因為這是我的質詢時間，我是外委員會的，你們其他人在委員會問什麼我並沒有聽，所以他講什麼，我不知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:45.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:46.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
跟委員之前提的…… |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:46.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-06-10T12:01:55.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
所以今天針對我的問題，7天事假是含3天，而且是把身心調適假併入事假，感覺有人請身心調適假，代表他有事。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-06-10T12:01:56.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:05.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
可是你們當初提身心調適假是說健康臺灣，是為了身心健康，結果你把它定位在「有事」。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:07.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:08.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
很奇怪！ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:08.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:09.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
第一個，我覺得這個很奇怪！ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:10.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:12.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
第二個，就是外加的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:12.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:13.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
委員要不要給我一點時間說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:13.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:13.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
我其實可以跟委員做說明啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:13.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:14.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
當初身心調適假併事假，其實有很多各種不同的聲音在考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:14.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:16.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
也有一部分人認為，你如果給它太明顯的標籤化，會讓同仁不敢申請，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:16.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:16.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
那不是一樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:16.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:19.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
你現在鼓勵大家去請身心調適假，然後你還說我怕標籤化，所以你就偷偷摸摸請就好，你只要請事假，不要請身心調適假！ |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:43.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:52.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
所以也有在討論說要不要用……所以最後的建議是先併入事假，不需要提理由，然後身心調適假也不會影響到考績等等的，其實它還是有差別啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:56.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:56.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
還是有差別？ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:57.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:57.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
對，它不會影響到考績。 |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-06-10T12:02:59.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-06-10T12:02:59.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
你請事假，考績…… |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
葉委員元之：所以有兩個問題 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:00.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:08.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
第一個，我覺得身心調適假不應該叫事假，因為你主要是要大家調適身心嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
葉委員元之：所以有兩個問題 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:09.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:10.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
這是第一個層次的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
葉委員元之：所以有兩個問題 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:10.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:13.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
第二個層次的問題才是你外加要加幾天。 |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:13.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:14.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
它還是叫身心調適假。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:14.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:25.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
它叫身心調適假，但是是外加的，等於多給他3天假，至於這個3天假是不是3天，以及是不是外加，這是第二個層次的問題，這是我提出來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
張副人事長秋元 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:25.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:29.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
委員的意見我會跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:29.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:29.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
我再來請教一下教育部。 |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:34.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:43.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
站在公務人員的角度，身心調適假是希望公務人員維持身心健康、放鬆心情，然後讓他在工作上面或者是在各方面可以更順利。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:43.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:47.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
在教師的現場也是一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-06-10T12:03:47.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-06-10T12:03:50.280000+08:00 |
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但你有沒有發現，現在其實老師壓力非常大？ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:03:51.021000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:02.503000+08:00 |
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我跟非常多老師聊天，但他們都跟我反映，他們都帶著熱忱到教育現場裡面去，但很多老師現在都要看身心科，而他看身心科絕對不是你放個3天身心調適假就可以解決這個問題了。 |
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| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:04.203000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:07.564000+08:00 |
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所以你們有沒有特別去了解一下背後真正的原因是什麼？ |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:08.364000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:09.304000+08:00 |
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這才是你要去解決的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:10.785000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:27.189000+08:00 |
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大家都知道前一段時間，很不幸地高雄有一個老師選擇用跳樓的方式結束他的生命，大家都覺得非常難過，教育現場已經失序了；最近又有一個高雄網紅的老師忽然間問說學校最高有幾層樓，然後被大家勸去送醫。 |
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| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:27.189000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:28.390000+08:00 |
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這個我不知道教育部知不知道？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:29.130000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:34.873000+08:00 |
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情況是逐漸在惡化當中，這不是靠3天身心調適假就可以解決的。 |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:36.513000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:45.817000+08:00 |
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發生這樣的不幸事件後，教育部是怎麼叫老師們維持身心健康和怎麼解決教師情緒呢？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:46.258000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:48.138000+08:00 |
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去上自殺防治研習啦！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:48.138000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:50.239000+08:00 |
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就叫老師去上研習。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:50.239000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:50.719000+08:00 |
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那老師更生氣啦！ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-06-10T12:04:52.040000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:56.802000+08:00 |
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因為上研習還要額外排自己的時間，上這種研習有用嗎？ |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:56.802000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:58.203000+08:00 |
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你不如讓他好好休息，對不對？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:04:59.343000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:08.648000+08:00 |
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所以很多老師就講，一年的研習那麼多時間，包括環境教育、交通安全、特殊教育，還有自殺防治和情緒教育等等一大堆。 |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:09.768000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:16.992000+08:00 |
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好像只要注意到什麼，就叫老師去做研習；重視交通安全，就叫老師去研習；重視情緒教育，老師又要去研習。 |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-06-10T12:05:18.012000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:18.873000+08:00 |
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一直去研習！ |
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| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:18.873000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:19.854000+08:00 |
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研習有用嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:20.735000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:23.758000+08:00 |
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研習如果有用的話，現在這個狀況不會這麼嚴重！ |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:24.819000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:32.366000+08:00 |
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所以，真的請教育部……我覺得人總也要負起責任，教師也是公務人員吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:33.628000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:34.529000+08:00 |
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應該人總也管得到吧！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:37.257000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:39.758000+08:00 |
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麻煩葉委員儘速。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:05:40.618000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:00.323000+08:00 |
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教育部，你們是不是可以針對真的會造成老師身心壓力的那個部分去檢討，而不是……民進黨政府都很會宣傳：身心調適假好棒啊！ |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:00.603000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:01.943000+08:00 |
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就可以促進健康臺灣！ |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:02.023000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:02.603000+08:00 |
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有那麼容易嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:02.603000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:04.364000+08:00 |
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如果那麼容易的話，會造成這些狀況嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:04.364000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:04.504000+08:00 |
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請教育部回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
林處長建璋 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:06.769000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:14.211000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，教育部其實一直都很重視我們教師的職場環境，也做了很多的努力。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
林處長建璋 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:15.231000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:20.712000+08:00 |
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我相信委員在教文委員會裡面應該都有看到教育部的努力…… |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:21.532000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:22.972000+08:00 |
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我是沒看到很努力啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
林處長建璋 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:22.972000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:23.972000+08:00 |
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我們會持續針對教職人員的環境來做改善……教育部這邊會…… |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:23.592000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:24.273000+08:00 |
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不要在這邊內宣了！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:24.853000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:25.813000+08:00 |
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要講講不完了啦！ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-06-10T12:06:27.533000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:31.234000+08:00 |
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如果教育部這麼努力的話，老師都不會這麼無力了啦！ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:32.034000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:34.295000+08:00 |
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我現在發現教育部的問題就是自我感覺良好！謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:38.150000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:38.170000+08:00 |
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謝謝葉委員的質詢。 |
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0.75 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:38.670000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:44.384286+08:00 |
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所有登記發言的委員都已經發言完畢，詢答結束。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:44.684286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:55.255714+08:00 |
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委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員以及本會。 |
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0.027 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T12:06:55.555714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-10T12:07:07.270000+08:00 |
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蔡其昌委員、沈發惠委員、傅崐萁委員所提書面質詢，請列入紀錄，刊登公報，並請相關機關以書面答復。 |
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0 |