| IVOD_ID |
169925 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169925 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T11:07:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T11:17:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea54f47286cb9f52e7a21dd72608bfb95728c63d91a868a86b1f0c8cd608c1fd9b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:00 - 11:17:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）。（詢答及處理）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）。（僅詢答）
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：第一案6月10日（三）上午10時，第二案6月10日（三）下午5時】） |
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好謝謝主席請央行楊總裁請央行楊總裁 |
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呃 劉委員早好 總裁早喔是那我們看到 央行呢他宣示115年呢新台幣要全面改版喔那要導入到ESG的理念齁那本席這表示支持啦那希望能夠真身的落實齁那要從鈔券的呃 職才來通談的一個檢討齁那我國現在的一個 |
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紙鈔的主要質材是純棉紙但是耐摺但是在高溫的天氣潮濕還有傳統的市場跟夜市文化我們的鈔卷常常在長民間的飲食的桌轉率很高而且會吸引的就是吸附了汗水跟油脂而汙損軟爛 |
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台幣的汰換率就居高不下所以頻繁收回再銷毀然後再從事造成很大的資源浪費對於減碳其實是不利的我們看到其他國家的例子英國澳洲還有新加坡他們採取的高流通 |
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面額的紙鈔都採取防水還有抗汙還有壽命比較高的這個聚合物的塑膠鈔卷那想要問的是總裁你這邊對於說新台幣改版是一個國家大事真的要做到綠色金融的話也是很重要的一個契機那您是不是可以來討論一下就是說這次的改版要採用的是什麼樣的一個制裁 |
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好事實上我也可以來回答委員不過呢我是不是允許我們的發行局的局長來比較詳細的來回答委員的問題好 重點是資材上面 是不是我永續請好 那我就請我們的鄧局長好 鄧局長好是 委員您好那這個聚合物的這個材質也就是塑膠鈔卷嘛您指的是這個嘛 是 |
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這個塑膠鈔卷第一個 成本比較高第二個 折疊之後不容易回復原狀相對於我們現在的棉質鈔卷因為國人使用鈔卷比較有折疊的習慣棉質鈔卷是比較符合我們的國情 |
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那這樣的話 可是它這樣子回收的部分你是不是可以把就免職的職財的還有或是就這個聚合物的部分或是你們還有各種更好的選項在折衷在它的使用度跟它的義務性這部分做一個有一些報告的討論 |
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是 我們會做深入的研究基本上我們會使用更環保的材質所以你們有別的方向選擇嗎永續棉 例如是永續棉因為現在歐元就是用永續棉這個是非常環保的 |
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那你們方向是另外一種職財嗎還是繼續在免職或是其他的永續的幫他成本我是不是可以請說就耐用度啊剛才你說的易擇性嘛還有說環境的探足機跟後端的回收這部分就一個財政跟環境效益這邊做一個報告就你未來可能的就我剛才說這兩個現在已經存在的跟我們我剛才舉的例子聚合物的部分或是還有你們更先進的等等的能夠回復這幾個重視到這 |
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三種的利益當中去兼顧然後做一個報告給本席是可以可以可以那三個月時間可以嗎可以OK好謝謝謝謝那請央行總裁我再繼續再請教您就是我們可以看到下一個一個資訊在 |
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今年在投資外國債券跟股票的這個成果方面非常豐碩也變成了是說我國的國庫裡面呢一個很重要的一個盈餘所在好像今年115年看到說你們的當中非稅客收入裡面3816億當中預計就是江航的這個這個非稅客的盈餘就達到的是兩千兩千億但是現在有個問題就想請教因為國際間都知道的是 |
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央行的最重要的目的是要維持物價跟金融的穩定那會不會說因為有國際情勢的這個高度的變先還有風險環境如果再遇到說因為如果未來有升息然後結果央行的這個因為日息的支出就增多了導致盈餘大減盈餘減少的情況下我想問的是說在盈餘的減少跟我們的貨幣的穩定跟物價穩定當中 |
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央行會採取什麼樣的態度來因應我跟委員報告委員提出來這個問題是非常好的但是我也要跟委員報告事實上我們中央銀行法我們中央銀行法的第二條我們經營目標裡面就沒有腳褲追向 |
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我們是金融穩定物價穩定還有匯率的穩定在這種情況之下我們協助經濟的成長所以我們在我們的經營的目標裡面從來都沒有提到說要腳步的這件事 |
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所以呢也就是說不會因為我們為了就是說為了腳褲然後呢我們來犧牲我們的這個經營的目標所以呢從以前到現在呢都可以來印證我們中央銀行的一個政策目標我們都達到了 |
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在我們政策目標達到的情況之下因為我們也有外匯存底所以外匯存底我們的經營原因則是第一個要提高它的流動性它的安全性之後呢善良管理人我們中央院長是善良管理人的一個善良管理人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
381.069 |
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的角色呢我們去盡量的來讓我們的營運也能夠增加所以我們來經營我們的objective裡面沒有沒有腳褲這一項所以絕對不會我在這裡來跟委員報告就是說很嚴肅的跟委員報告絕對不會發生 |
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399.838 |
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407.382 |
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好這樣因為我們知道我們現在的財政上面的是除了因為經濟情況這個證交稅這邊的稅稅有增加但是整體看起來因為我們現在包括還要有很多的安心的一個生小孩這種計畫看起來是造福增加但我知道這部分可能就是要請教到時候財政部怎麼樣是維持著一個財務的穩定狀況對不對是是是沒有錯我覺得您現在 |
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429.295 |
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434.74 |
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我必須要高度的暫時就是中央銀行就維持你的這個銀行的獨立性對我們絕對會的按照那個委員的一個的這個指示好謝謝請回座那下一個問題呢就想要請教的是財政部那請財政部莊部長請莊部長 |
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455.885 |
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461.948 |
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委員好 部長我們知道您是主管的就是公營的銀行那我們看到的是公營的銀行這邊尤其在台銀跟土銀這邊過去都是早期是台大跟政大高材生的首選但是到今年的它的一個考試當中 |
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477.577 |
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483.879 |
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的錄取率呢就升到18但是只有2000人齁才去報考啦等於說5個人就很快的一個錄取率但是這個環境讓我們希望說能夠採取的是有一個優秀的人才進入到我們的這個公營銀行當中啦那當然是有少子化的影響可是最重要的是可以看到跟私民銀行的這個差距當中啊年終 |
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499.745 |
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513.22 |
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獎金就是才能維持台銀是4.4個月但是民營銀行動則是7、8個月起跳以上的這種差距之下優秀人才的一個讓他引進來面對這樣的公營銀行的人才荒 |
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財政部長您有什麼樣的一個方法解方來幫助公營銀行是謝謝謝謝委員對我們對於所謂的國營銀行的一個關照那我想對於就是您剛剛講的4.4個月的部分的績效獎金這當年應該是立法院的 |
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531.852 |
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548.958 |
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一個決議把從4.6降為4.4那這個部分我們也希望能夠讓他們回復到4.6這個部分那如果這樣再改就需要變什麼法呢你如果這樣講就是我們立法院的決議是不是對是不是當時是102年的一個立法院的決議看一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
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562.416 |
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就是一個決議它的法律效率是什麼法律效率當然我們行政部門就是遵守這個部分確實是在哪裡 |
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563.732 |
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588.7 |
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我們是不是會後提供給委員當時因為我們知道法律的立法院的決議跟如果是法律上面的規定有這樣的一個法位上的法規上面要去遵守的這個優先順序如果這部分我想說4.4個月事實上應該是可以做一下調整如果是我們先看到法律位階上面可以做一下調整那除了這個之外其他的部分您的建議是什麼可能是怎麼樣是比較合理的 |
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589.7 |
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609.839 |
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其他的部分財政部也都以分別報有關相關的一個行政院第一個在生育補助的部分那行政院已經通案就每一台可以有10萬元的部分那另外像在伙食費的部分還有員工酬勞以及辦理員工福利信託等等我們也都有提相關的建議目前在人種會同相關機關在研議當中 |
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好那這樣是不是請財政部就這樣子的公國營的銀行這部分呢跟銀行這部分你們現在所提就是對於待遇的調整包括全面性的待遇調整跟本席做一個報告書面報告看直接做一個比較那我們看立法院怎麼樣可以做一個提升幫助到財政部這邊部分謝謝委員的支持我們提供相關的書面報告好謝謝劉書斌委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:08.577000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:10.002000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請央行楊總裁。 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:10.303000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:10.684000+08:00 |
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請央行楊總裁。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-10T11:07:18.827000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:19.087000+08:00 |
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劉委員早。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:20.068000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:20.248000+08:00 |
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總裁早。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:21.409000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:32.960000+08:00 |
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我們看到央行宣示115年新臺幣將全面改版，要導入ESG的理念，本席表示支持，希望能夠真正的落實，但是要從鈔券的材質進行通盤檢討。 |
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0.839 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:07:32.980000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:10.127000+08:00 |
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我國現在的紙鈔主要材質採純棉，耐摺，但是處在高溫潮溼的天氣，還有傳統的市場及夜市文化，我們的鈔券在民間的周轉率很高，而且因吸附汗水及油脂而污損、軟爛，所以臺幣的汰換率居高不下，頻繁回收、銷毀及重製造成很大的資源浪費，對於減碳其實是不利的。 |
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0.843 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:10.247000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:33.957000+08:00 |
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我們看到英國、澳洲及新加坡等國家的例子，他們的高流通面額紙鈔是採取防水、抗污還有壽命比較高的聚合物塑膠鈔券。 |
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0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:35.038000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:49.583000+08:00 |
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想請問總裁，新臺幣改版是國家大事，要真正做到綠色金融也是很重要的契機，是不是可以和您討論這次改版要採用的是什麼材質？ |
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0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
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2026-06-10T11:08:51.684000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:01.570000+08:00 |
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事實上我也可以回答，不過委員是不是允許由發行局的局長進行比較詳細的回答？ |
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0.853 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:02.630000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:05.572000+08:00 |
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好，重點是材質方面是否永續，請。 |
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0.769 |
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楊總裁金龍 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:05.572000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:08.094000+08:00 |
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好，我請鄧局長。 |
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1 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:08.574000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:08.874000+08:00 |
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鄧局長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:09.655000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:10.175000+08:00 |
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是，委員你好。 |
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0.6 |
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鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:10.175000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:25.028000+08:00 |
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您指的應該是聚合物的材質也就是塑膠鈔券，關於塑膠鈔券，第一，成本比較高。 |
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0.719 |
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鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:26.049000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:34.255000+08:00 |
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第二，它摺疊之後不容易回復原狀。 |
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0.857 |
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鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:34.255000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:45.123000+08:00 |
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相對於現在的棉質鈔券，因為國人使用鈔券比較有摺疊的習慣，棉質鈔券比較符合我們的國情。 |
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0.897 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:09:47.321000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:01.576000+08:00 |
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好，可是針對它的回收部分，是不是可以把舊的棉質材質還有聚合物的部分，或是你們還有各種更好的選項，折衷在它的使用度跟易污性這部分有一些報告的討論？ |
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0.836 |
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鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:02.797000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:08.666000+08:00 |
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是，我們會做深入的研究，基本上我們會使用更環保的材質。 |
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1 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:08.806000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-10T11:10:09.968000+08:00 |
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你們有別的方向選擇嗎？ |
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1 |
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鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:09.968000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:16.998000+08:00 |
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例如永續棉，現在歐元就是用永續棉，這個是非常環保的。 |
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0.913 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:17.839000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:19.900000+08:00 |
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你們的方向是另外一種質材嗎？ |
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0.769 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:19.900000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:21.781000+08:00 |
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還是繼續在棉質或是其他的永續的？ |
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0.867 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:22.681000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:24.822000+08:00 |
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包括成本，我是不是可以請教耐用度？ |
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0.8 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:25.082000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:48.671000+08:00 |
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剛才你說易折性還有環境的碳足跡跟後端的回收部分，請就財政跟環境效益做一個報告，就是未來可能的，就我剛剛說現在已經存在的，跟我剛才舉的例子──聚合物的部分，或是還有你們更先進的等等，能夠回復這幾個……在這三種的利益當中去兼顧，然後做一個報告給本席。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄧局長延達 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:48.771000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:49.211000+08:00 |
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是，可以。 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:50.612000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:51.692000+08:00 |
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3個月時間可以嗎？可以。 |
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1 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:52.272000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:53.693000+08:00 |
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OK，好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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1 |
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劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:54.133000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:54.653000+08:00 |
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請央行總裁。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:10:54.793000+08:00 |
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2026-06-10T11:11:11.639000+08:00 |
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我繼續再請教您，我們可以看到下一個資訊，今年在投資外國債券跟股票的成果方面非常豐碩，也漸漸變成我國國庫裡面一個很重要的盈餘所在。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
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2026-06-10T11:11:12.580000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-10T11:11:16.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
今年（115）年看到你們的非稅課收入3,816億當中，預計央行的非稅課盈餘就達到2,000億。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-10T11:11:16.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-10T11:11:33.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
但是現在有個問題想請教，國際間都知道央行最重要的目的，是要維持物價跟金融的穩定，那會不會因為國際情勢高度變遷還有風險環境，再遇到未來升息，然後央行的利息支出就要增多，導致盈餘大減？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-10T11:11:33.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-10T11:12:02.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
在盈餘減少的情況下，我想問的是在盈餘減少跟我們的貨幣穩定、物價穩定當中，央行會採取什麼樣的態度來因應？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-10T11:12:02.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-10T11:12:15.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我跟委員報告，委員提出這個問題是非常好的，但是我也要跟委員報告，事實上我們中央銀行法的第二條，我們的經營目標裡面就沒有繳庫這一項。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-10T11:12:22.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-10T11:12:50.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我們是金融穩定、物價穩定還有匯率穩定，在這種情況之下我們協助經濟成長，所以在我們的經營目標裡面從來都沒有提到要繳庫這件事，也就是不會因為我們為了繳庫然後犧牲我們的經營目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-10T11:12:51.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-10T11:12:57.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
從以前到現在都可以印證我們中央銀行的政策目標，我們都達到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-10T11:12:58.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:13.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
在我們政策目標達到的情況之下，因為我們也有外匯存底，外匯存底我們的經營原則是第一個要提高它的流動性、它的安全性，之後是善良管理人。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-10T11:13:13.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:25.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我們中央銀行是善良管理人的一個角色，儘量讓我們的盈餘能夠增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-10T11:13:26.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:27.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我們的經營目標裡面沒有繳庫這一項。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-10T11:13:27.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:29.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以我在這裡跟委員報告，很嚴肅地跟委員報告，絕對不會發生。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-10T11:13:39.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:46.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
好，我們知道現在財政上面除了因為經濟情況，證交稅的稅收有增加，但是整體看起來，因為我們現在還有很多政策，比如安心生小孩等，這種計畫看起來是大幅增加，我知道這部分可能要請教財政部，怎麼樣維持財務的穩定狀況，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-10T11:13:46.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-10T11:13:47.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
是，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:09.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:12.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，我必須要高度的贊成，就是中央銀行就維持著銀行的獨立性，非常棒。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊總裁金龍 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:12.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:12.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
對，我們絕對會的，按照委員的指示，我們絕對會的。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:13.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:13.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
好，謝謝，請回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:13.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:14.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
下一個問題想要請教的是財政部，請財政部莊部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:14.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:14.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
請莊部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:35.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:36.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-10T11:14:36.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-10T11:14:59.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
部長，我們知道您主管的是公營銀行，我們看到的是公營的銀行這邊，尤其是臺銀跟土銀早期都是臺大跟政大高材生的首選，但是今年它的考試錄取率升到18，但是只有2,000人去報考。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-10T11:15:00.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-10T11:15:26.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們希望能夠採取的是有優秀的人才進入我們的公營銀行當中，當然是有少子化影響，可是最重要是可以看到跟民營銀行的差距當中，年終獎金就是維持臺銀4.4個月，但是民營銀行動輒7、8個月起跳。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-10T11:15:27.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-10T11:15:37.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這種差距之下優秀人才的引進，面對這樣的公營銀行的人才荒，財政部長有什麼樣的解方來幫助公營銀行？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-10T11:15:38.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-10T11:15:43.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
是，謝謝委員對我們國營銀行的關照。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-10T11:15:44.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:00.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我想對於您剛剛講的4.4個月的績效獎金部分，這當年應該是立法院的一個決議，從4.6降為4.4，這個部分我們也希望能夠讓他們回復到4.6…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:01.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:03.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
如果這樣要修訂什麼法呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:03.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:05.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你如果這樣講就是我們立法院的決議是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:06.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:06.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
對，是不是當時是…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:06.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:07.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
如果要修訂…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:06.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:08.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
102年一個立法院的決議。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:13.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:16.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
它就是一個決議，但是它的法律效力是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:16.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:20.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
法律效力當然我們行政部門就是遵守。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:23.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:26.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們是不是會後提供給委員當時…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:26.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:36.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，我們知道立法院的決議如果是法律上面的規定，有這樣的一個法規要去遵守優先順序。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:37.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:43.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這部分我想4.4個月事實上應該是可以做一下調整，如果這是法律位階上面可以做一下調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:44.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:47.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
除了這個之外，其他的部分您的建議是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:48.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-10T11:16:48.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
怎麼樣是比較合理的？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-10T11:16:49.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:00.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
其他的部分財政部也都已分別報相關的行政院，第一個在生育補助的部分，行政院已經通案處理，每一胎可以有10萬元。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:01.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:09.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
另外，像在伙食費的部分，還有員工酬勞以及辦理員工福利信託等等，我們也都有提相關的建議，目前人總會同相關機關在研議當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:13.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:27.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，是不是請財政部就公國營銀行跟民營銀行這部分，你們現在所提對於待遇的調整，包括全面性的待遇調整跟本席做一個書面報告，看怎麼樣做個比較？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:27.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:31.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我們看立法院怎麼樣可以做一個提升，幫助到財政部這部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:32.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:33.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
好，謝謝委員的支持，我們提供相關的書面報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
劉委員書彬 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:33.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-10T11:17:33.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-10T11:17:33.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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謝謝劉書彬委員。 |
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0.571 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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下一位質詢委員，請王世堅委員質詢。 |
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0 |