| IVOD_ID |
169918 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169918 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-10T10:52:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-10T11:04:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/dee24285c0428ea5f908cf1071d70a4002c75a4b042dc3678c63d91a868a86b1d538382fbf97c6c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:52:19 - 11:04:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案」案。
【6月10日會議僅進行詢答】
【6月10日及11日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請我們副任市長副任市長委員好 張偉副任市長早我想今天你獨挑大樑那我想有幾個問題來請教就是說整個今天我們看這整個軍公教的一個待遇的一個調整條例以現在來看的話就變成說 |
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院版我看你們還沒有送審嘛還沒有送審那我想請教就是說你們這到底是有什麼自愛難省的地方嗎因為從2024年我看這個6月17號你們就喊請公交機關團體表達意見那到了10月29號 |
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法規你們也審議完略那也報警行政院就是說這個整個公教人員待遇調整的條例的一個草案裡面現在在野黨的版本也排審了那行政院這個地方我看起來好像還沒有去做積極的一個回應 |
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只有這個資訊台來請教你們說,你們的立場到底是怎樣?也就是說,行政院的一個立場,那你們版本呢,到現在沒有去做一個提出最主要的原因是怎麼樣?也沒有同意在野黨的版本,你們認為你們反對的理由到底會是什麼?不可以這樣一直演繹啊,因為畢竟在野黨的版本已經排審了,我想聽聽看你們具體的立場。 |
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跟委員報告我剛其實有稍微報告就是在在我們整個研議的過程其實我們也是參考一些先進民主國家的相關的做法那現在這個大概各先進國家 |
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都會給這個相關的利害關係人團體去表達意見的機會然後大部分的國家其實都是由專業的機關來組織這件事情然後有的是開審議會有的是透過一些意見的徵詢大家也可以提建議那最後的運作的機制因為它涉及國家的整體的資源的分配就是 |
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我們要好好照顧公園然後也要對整個國家資源的分配做一個總體的兼顧 |
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大概就是可以提意見可以提建議然後我們也會有相關的指標然後提到最後還是主政者必須要負起那個決定的責任現在大概多數的國家是往這個方向走那當然有一些國家是用比較細緻的或者是他鎖定一個像剛才大家一直在講日本他是明天新資去做一個比較大的標準那像台灣過去其實一直 |
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是在考慮實質購買率但是我們會考慮其他的也會考慮民間薪資也會考慮其他的因素大概是會有這樣的差異也有委員一直在提說是不是公式化現在我們看到應該說除了美國有一個 |
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有一個機制是你一定達到一定的指標一部分是政府可以直接按照指標去調但是還是有另外一軌是由委員會去提建議給總統然後讓總統再去做裁決所以現在看起來 |
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比較少用公司化的這個部分啦就是一個固定的然後讓這個必須要負責的行政院完全沒有去考量這個整體國家的這個資源的分配的那你會碰到一個問題你會碰到在野黨的版本進來以後這告別很現實的啊在野黨人數就比你還多啊就比執政黨還要多啊 |
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我相信我的意思就是說其實我要講的就是說你們那個對岸你們對岸白會去買嗎我們有跟這個行政院一直在報告說這個在立法院草野的委員都很關注這件事情然後我們也有密集在討論這是我們希望這個因為 |
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剛剛其實之前已經有報告,現在不管是軍人的待遇條例,教師的待遇條例,或者是公園的奉集法,或是加急集辦法,這個所謂奉集數額的這個責任的部分,其實在現行的法制上是劃給行政院的,因為它跟整個預算的編列是關聯的。那當然這件事情就是行政院的責任,所以我們以總署的立場,我們會建議要院辦進來。 |
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所以你這個結果我大略可以看到最後的結果會是些什麼啦但是我還是建議你們那些頒布那麼太過對岸這樣子我是覺得實在是兩黨的時間是比較慢的政治的一個環境那當然是現在來看的話就是草小野大嘛立法院裡面的多數裡面現在就是在野黨嘛 |
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那沒有看到行政院的版本 你到最後通過的就會是在野黨的版本那你告訴我要怎麼因應 這大家都很清楚啦這個其實你們要好好去做一個思考啦那第二個就是說 這一次賴總統宣布的18項的一個家庭支持這些措施我看外界也都得到很大的鼓舞 表達歡迎但以目前來看的話 你這些補助 你就很分散 |
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澳內政部 澳告部 澳衛福部 也有勞動部那現在對民眾來講的話他會幾個困境第一個就是說這個資訊 |
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我不一定找得到 我符合資格我想要找這個資訊 真麻煩 這第一個那第二個就是說 我不曉得我自己是否符合資格這是前提的問題嘛 你不曉得你有沒有符合資格或在什麼地方 就必須要打電話到公務機關去問那基層的公務人員 對他們來講的話也是很大的一個負擔那我在這個地方有一個建議 是不是 |
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你們這個地方我們人總這個地方也去跟速發部或者跨部會來做一個協調你們去建置一個家庭支持的一站式的一個平台比如說我用自然人憑證就可以去做一個登錄這資料怎麼樣去這個買data的部分就資料的一個串接然後自動資料的一個比對那主動列出申請的補助然後呢一件的一個申請跟這個整個導流的一個申辦 |
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這個部分你們有想到這個嗎?給民眾比較好的一個裏面就變成說把它納入一個跨部會的一個數位整合的一個規劃有這樣計劃嗎? |
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跟委員包括委員這個建議非常好那這個因為有18項那的確是跨部會合作的那在行政院這一端是由國發會來做主導那我們回去我們會協調國會來請蘇發部這個採用委員的意見來做一個規劃是一站式的服務我想這個對不管是民眾或者是軍工交通人 |
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都會是一個蠻好的幫助阿不 我覺得我做這個民眾 我覺得我在尋寶你知道嗎我知道政府有這個總統有宣布這麼多的政策行政院也通過說我就要這樣做就不去辯論到底是不是要法律授權的問題或者說這個整個幾副行政本來政府心力照顧老百姓都是應該的我站在民眾立場我就不跟你辯論那一些但是你至少讓我比較好處理嘛合理吧 |
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不是嗎?你總要來看我的資...我...我...我這要問夠薄嗎?還是熱衷薄有嗎?還是勞動部有嗎?我資格有好嗎?要到哪一個地方去找?我是覺得齁這個...婦人資產這個地方應該把... |
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我們回去處理 我們來協調國安會來處理這個問題來看部會 我覺得這個很重要我另外最後一個問題 我還要再來追問上次我有提過 就是公務人員這個這個有薪假跟家庭照顧假的一個檢討就是說有薪假的天數 是不是足夠你說四假的保溫七天家庭照顧假七天 身薪假的請假三天 |
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但是這個家庭照顧假跟身心調適假這個都是人事假做一個計算超過七天的部分才不給薪嘛這問題就是說你嫂子化了還要高齡化我看這次很多國家在離愁韓國他要改革你的嫂子女化的部分他就從公務人員機關裡面你只要選一個公家機關選一個三十多歲以下的你的工時減一天 |
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那公務人員帶頭去做那財政支持的部分當然有些國家很激進啦但至少公務人員帶頭的部分就說 你要生孩子嗎 嫂子女的話我就是要多鼓勵政府來做一個支持就是在投資國家 在投資這個未來那大家用嘴巴講 |
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民間企業碰到的是我的這個成本會增加那就從公務體系來公務體系你就寫一個 我減一點錢如果民間的到最後你也負責要去做一個統計上市櫃公司你要去統計你 |
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小孩子你讓他減工時這個政府再來做適度的一個補貼少子女化的解決當然是很大的一個問題但公務機關我們有沒有可能去做一個研議參考沒問題我們是 |
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韓國是全世界少子女化最嚴重的現在台灣撲一撲我們變成全世界最明顯少子女化我們就變成第一名公務機關的部分原來有這樣的一個演繹我不知道你的看法是什麼我認同那個委員的看法我們再來跟全區部來協調這個我覺得可以帶頭去做我覺得這個非常好 |
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我們經常也在評論過勞對於這一次剛好大家 |
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不得不對於整個少子女化政府要提出一個因應的一個對策就是說涉及到工時或者涉及到整個價的部分公務機關各個產業會去看看你公務機關的態度政府部門如果帶頭往前的話民間業者這個部分大家去做比較說我公務員也這樣 |
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勞動的部分勞工的部分也許我們可以來比照制度廠長在台灣我在看都是這樣在做前進所以這個我是覺得你可以好好來做這個研究啦可以齁你有沒有感覺韓國瑜在做我們看我覺得這點好的 |
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我們也可以 那個只是惡指 抑制啦抑制那個少子女化加速的這樣子下跌人口要平衡2.1 我們現在已經破億了你說要減下去不可能 但至少不要讓它至少那個少的速度喔不要讓它一直這樣急速 至少你要把它讓它止跌嘛 |
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721.716 |
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729.51 |
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那不是這樣說,我覺得不是一個好方法啦是,委員很好意跟我跟情緒部來研究真的好好研究一下啦,好謝謝 |