| IVOD_ID |
169865 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169865 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-08T10:22:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-08T10:36:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf4a05d5bc4f1da013a5b3444c52bddd67622fce35d9e13820bf4afc9f86a24375542754bc7705995ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:25 - 10:36:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長、內政部警政署署長、交通部、衛生福利部、海洋委員會海巡署、財政部關務署、教育部、數位發展部就「從源頭查緝到道路安全：我國毒品犯罪與毒駕防制政策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝那我們先請衛福部國健署好 請副組長 |
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好,那因為我們現在呢最重要是因為我們要 |
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在上個禮拜吧我們在院會的時候我們有提到說我們現在會把會修這個煙害防治法把持有電子煙這件事情納入行政法那因為我們現行其實是只有並沒有罰這個持有的部分那我想問就會有一個問題就是說現在我剛剛現在這個簡報上面的這三種要怎麼認定 |
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會有認定的問題因為第一線執法人員他要怎麼去認定這件事情那特別是說我們過去呢也沒有說不能持有嘛所以這個接下來我想第一個是認定的問題第二個是說 |
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因為過去沒有那他過去持有的那接下來該怎麼辦報告委員當然因為我們現在還要牽涉到修法系部的討論那原則上因為電子鹽本身在12年的時候鴛鴦法他就是違禁品他本來就是不該持有是沒錯但是因為當時沒有罰所以的確我們大家都非常清楚剛剛光看學生都有在持有了 |
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對 那但是因為過去沒有罰 現在要罰 這是一個問題然後另外一個就是說 到底像現在簡報上面寫的還有煙油 僅有空靈件 這些要怎麼認定嘛所以是不是可以請就這兩個部分來回答那我們靠近麥克風一點 聽得比較清楚不好意思 |
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如果是這樣的話就是基本上它如果是查獲學生手上持有的話應該是原則上應該是都是不行的如果是它僅有煙油或是空零件它應該都是算是電子煙的整個它就是它那個零件就是載具嘛那煙油煙彈它本身就是就是一個不能夠持有的整組的設備是都不應該持有的所以 |
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基本上聽起來就是我現在寫到的這個部分我們通通都罰就對了好 但是對 但是因為法律有一個不溯及既往的原則嘛對不對那該怎麼辦呢因為過去持有是不罰的嘛那你現在要罰對吧 這個我覺得這個因為我們新增人民的義務與處罰的範圍 |
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是所以這部分的話我覺得如果我們沒有去做應該這樣簡單來講就是說我們之前在槍炮彈製彈藥刀械條例的時候我們當時也有去講就是說可能模擬槍操作槍我們有給大家一點時間來去申報然後 |
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對 所以我覺得這個部分我們是不是也可以往這個方向來去研議呢因為畢竟過去真的沒有那再加上法律不溯及既往的原則我覺得這個還是要去來考量那再來第二個部分說我們個人持有跟商業持有的部分我覺得也是要來 |
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有一些配套措施啦因為個人持有相對比較簡單但是商業已經持有的部分你又該怎麼處理商業如果它涉及製造輸入當然那是已經違法嘛對不對對但是它持有的部分就它之前已經進口了一批 |
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帶了一瓶因為之前也有人搬家嘛對不對各種案件的形式來把它帶進來嘛如果是從輸入端的部分當然陸海空我們跟海巡署什麼都有財政部這邊都有合作那些大概都是盡量從上游端供應端就先攔截了啦 |
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對 那另外就是剛剛謝謝委員的提醒就是其實沒有錯就是我們可能要增加所謂的宣導期對 因為有就是有一些過去就持有的部分的確是沒有被罰的對 我覺得這部分可能要考慮一下好 那好 謝謝你喔那接下來我們請教育部 |
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哈囉 誰 委員好很低一點好了 低一點好 那徐特斯嘛 對不對好 那徐特斯我想請教一下就是說因為我們現在是有講到有這個唾液快篩嘛 對不對但是因為其實大家過去在詢問的時候呢就有考 當時就其實有提出來就是用藥液篩檢面對依托明指這種半衰期比較短的其實基本上是抓不到但是當時你們的回覆是說因為呢 |
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這個因為法規上當時只有尿篩執行的規定並沒有唾液快篩的一個規定所以如果我們現在要做唾液快篩的話你們接下來是不是就要來去修法呢因為看起來你們過去在這個尿檢的部分是因為讀回防治條例嘛33條之一沒有訂定嘛所以有法源依據嘛那你們現在要如何處理校園唾液快篩的法源依據呢 |
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跟委員報告就是確實是來自獨維條例所以目前是先建議法務部要修獨維條例然後增加拖曳快篩的這樣一個管道然後我們也會在我們的執行要點也會再增加相關的一個執行的作業所以你們是會另外制定一個要點嗎因為你們現在的要點是尿液篩檢及輔導作業要點你們是要在這個要點上面去做修正還是你們要新增一個要點 |
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跟委員報告我們會在這一個要點去修正就是增加就是不限尿液那接下來請一下法務部因為剛剛有提到就是說這還是要修讀委條例啦但是我看你們現在的說法上面我下面有看到這一個板你們要修這個讀委條例所以可不可以請部長回應一下我們有沒有要修讀委條例 |
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我們現在原例可以修那個獨尾條例33條他那個尿液現在是一個只有尿液而已所以這個部分的話我想問一下所以你們現在因為之前是說會修1853嘛對不對然後現在也是會修獨尾條例嘛對不對那還有什麼條還有什麼法案會在這一次一併來修整呢 |
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就是一個獨委條例跟那個以本部來講的話獨委條例跟那個刑法就我說這兩個嘛刑法好喔好喔了解那大概現在進度作業是什麼可以跟我們講一下目前那個跟委員報告現在整個一個那個全面因為因應這個獨家這個全面提升就是一個刑法的一個刑度還有那個義務沒收等等這些我們會在我們近日會送到行政院一個一個審查 |
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近日等於是說這一兩週對不對我想在本週內本週內嘛本週是這兩個剛剛講的這兩個法會一起送嗎因為這東西要配套不然你們九月怎麼上線啊 |
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讀委條例這份修法因為這是我們會盡快來處理那因為他那個那個獨家那部分我們這一周會送行法我知道因為你們之前一直在講行法但是因為教育部說九月就要上這個唾液篩檢那九月要塞你們要上那你們的時程上面呢彼此現在是有默契嗎彼此知道嗎 |
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所以你們大概什麼時候會把毒味調劑送進來我們盡快來研修那教育部你們這邊你們自己的尿液的這個輔導作業要點呢你們大概什麼時候會修完跟委員報告我們目前已經都在進行討論了那預計會在7月以前 |
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7月以前因為現在看起來你們是要在學校裡面執行嘛這個還要跟學校溝通還要跟各縣市這樣應該說你們要跟各縣市教育局溝通各縣市教育局要再跟學校溝通你9月要上線你7月之前一定要完成不然你應該是完全來不及是 |
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那我想問一下就是說因為基本上呢我們之前在憲法這個四大法官解釋裡面釋字第五三五號當時就有去講到說警察臨檢他有一個重要原則就是國家不能不分時間地點對象任意臨檢或是隨機檢查 |
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所以呢我想是不是在這一次你們在我看你們的說明是說你們是根據尿液一樣嘛就是有特定高風險的部分你們才會去做篩檢嘛對不對好那所以如果是這樣子的原則的話剛剛又聽到說是生教老師會來生教組長會做這件事情不過因為 |
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其實對於學校來說我想大家都非常清楚知道行政工作真的非常多所以剛剛其實林倩琦委員也有關心是說我們怎麼樣給學校第一線的支持這個部分我也希望剛剛有要求你們要一個報告這份報告也要提供給我因為我也想要知道我們到底如何的來去避免學校的工作負荷過大 |
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那再來一個部分最後一個問題想請教教育部就是說如果今天學生拒絕拖曳篩檢呢學生或家長反對的話那該怎麼辦 |
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跟委員報告就是如果像之前在讀委條例的一個規範是確實是如果已經納入特定人員名冊這一類的對象是其實是不能拒絕不過在教育部的一個作為我們還是會積極溝通可能請家長然後可能請我們相關可能跟老師還有跟家長同事的溝通那看看是不是能夠藉由這樣的一個方式能夠盡量能夠來配合 |
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好我想這部分還是要一個明確的流程啦要提供給學校因為不然我覺得就會變成是學校面對家長反對家長到時候又再去找1999找政治人物明代去關心的時候大家現場的壓力很大所以我覺得一個明確的做法這樣才能夠去保障老師跟家長在溝通的時候大家彼此的分際是清楚的好不好好謝謝那最後我想要請問一下速發部 |
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在你們的書面報告裡面有看到說你們有建立一個網路平台刊登或販售違法商品下架處理聯防平台然後從113年11月到115年的5月底已經召開了7次的會議處理了至少58項部會提案 |
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也有透過各部會提供關鍵資料平台自主掃描然後看起來我們也是有採訪了相關的平台我想問一下因為現在其實大部分的交易特別是學生的交易其實透過社群平台 |
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他已經不僅是透過電商所以我想問一下是說我們現在做的這個AI巡查有沒有針對社群平台的貼文廣告公開帳號短影的內容做審查因為我想大家應該都有看到這部分是有的嗎是 報告委員我們今年會開始來做這個部分的掃描什麼時候開始7月底以後會簽字完成 |
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7月底會建制完成那我想問一下因為我們過去在這個打詐的領域呢也有開發這個詐騙樣態分析和防詐雷達那把過往的詐騙案件整理成風險樣態再用AI模型去掃描網路廣告跟電商廣告 |
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好那過去呢在打詐的領域呢也不是平台自稱有做就好而是你們其實有詐欺防治計畫風險管理機制還有查驗記錄透明度報告所以你們也是可以抽查跟要求他們提供資料所以我想問一下針對於這次的毒品我們是不是也有做類似的可能像是什麼毒品與含毒電子菸暗語啊資料庫啊因為這個暗語是一直不停在變化這部分是有做類似的 |
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報告委員那個打炸部分是因為炸防條例有相關的一個法律依據那至於毒品的部分就要看相關的規定相關的法律有沒有相規定但是本部都可以配合來協助 |
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好意思就是說如果機關主管機關有相關的法律抒發部可以來配合就對了是那是不是抒發部也可以積極的來跟主管機關溝通這件事情呢好不好因為你們在現場就看到了這樣子的問題嘛我們是不是因為既然你們也成立了這個跨部會的這個溝通的協作平台嘛是不是也可以主動的來提出這樣子的問題呢是不是也可以可以我們都可以配合 |
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我是說我現在不是說你配合我希望你可以主動的去提醒他們可以嗎可以好那另外一個部分就是說如果同一個平台反覆的出現販售喪屍煙彈含毒煙彈那平台接貨主管機關通知之後並沒有立即下架我們現在是有權利要求平台限期改善的嗎報委你就看那個作用法有沒有這樣規定 |
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作用法有沒有這樣子的規定譬如說上詐騙的話他依照詐毀條例他是一定要下架如果沒有下架會被裁罰好所以這看起來是衛福部嗎對不對是衛福部那衛福部這個應該是食藥署吧對吧這個算食藥署嗎還是電子鹽應該是國健署那國健署呢我們現在是不是有 |
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目前我們其實跟網就是像剛剛委員說的社群媒體類還有一些是電商品來電商品來因為已經實名制所以進入沒有但是現在就在社交平台對那社群媒體的比如像Meta Family就IG FB那些的部分我們現在其實有頒布一個就是善良管理人的注意事項那其實他們的下架比例也是高只要我們有掃描到大概下架比例也是高達99.7對 |
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所以你們現在是已經可以要求他們平台限期改善了是嗎對兩個工作日內所以如果他沒有改善的話呢我們的處罰是什麼沒有改善的話我們也是有罰緩也是有行政罰緩也是會有行政罰緩就對了對OK好謝謝 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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謝謝。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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先請衛福部國健署。 |
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主席 |
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請副署長。你好。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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從你現在看到的這個簡報當中，我們就可以非常清楚的看到歷年國中學生或高中學生使用電子煙的狀況，這還是你們有掌握到的部分嘛，對不對？對。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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現在最重要的是，上禮拜我們在院會有提到現在會修菸害防制法，打算把持有電子煙這件事情納入行政罰，因為現行並沒有罰持有的部分，那就會有一個問題，現在這個簡報上面的這三種情形要怎麼認定？ |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:23:40.425000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:23:44.290000+08:00 |
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會有認定的問題，第一線執法人員要怎麼去認定這件事情？ |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:23:44.570000+08:00 |
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特別是我們過去也沒有說不能持有，所以第一個是認定的問題，第二個是因為過去沒有禁止，那過去就持有的，接下來該怎麼辦？ |
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魏副署長璽倫 |
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2026-06-08T10:23:59.584000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:10.775000+08:00 |
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報告委員，當然因為現在還牽涉到修法細部的討論，原則上電子煙在112年菸害防制法裡面就是違禁品，他本來就是不該持有。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:11.195000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:16.360000+08:00 |
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沒錯，但是因為當時沒有罰，所以的確大家都非常清楚，剛剛看學生都有在持有了嘛！是。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:17.701000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:20.965000+08:00 |
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但是因為過去沒有罰，現在要罰，這是一個問題。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:21.205000+08:00 |
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另外一個就是像現在簡報上面寫的，含有煙油、僅有空零件等，這些要怎麼認定？ |
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0.906 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:27.091000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:29.033000+08:00 |
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是不是請就這兩個部分來回答？ |
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| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:35.439000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:56.151000+08:00 |
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如果是查獲學生手上持有的話，原則上應該都是不行的，如果是含有煙油或是僅有空零件，這些應該都算是電子煙的……因為那個零件就是載具，煙油、煙彈本身就是不能夠持有的，就是整組設備都不應該持有。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:24:56.851000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:25:02.450000+08:00 |
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所以聽起來我現在寫的這些部分，我們統統都罰就對了？ |
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0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
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2026-06-08T10:25:02.450000+08:00 |
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1 |
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對，目前原則上是這樣。 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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但是因為法律有一個不溯及既往的原則，對不對？ |
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魏副署長璽倫 |
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2026-06-08T10:25:07.972000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-08T10:25:08.972000+08:00 |
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對，沒錯。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:07.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-08T10:25:08.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那該怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:08.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-08T10:25:09.592000+08:00 |
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因為過去持有是不罰的，但你現在要罰，對吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:09.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-08T10:25:38.564000+08:00 |
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因為我們要新增人民的義務與處罰的範圍，所以這部分的話，我覺得如果我們沒有去做……簡單來講，之前在制訂槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例的時候，我們當時也有去講，就是對於模擬槍、操作槍，我們有給大家一點時間去申報，因此，這個部分我們是不是也可以往這個方向來研議呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:39.465000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-08T10:25:44.308000+08:00 |
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畢竟過去真的沒有處罰，再加上法律不溯及既往的原則，我覺得這個還是要去考量。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:45.569000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-08T10:25:57.402000+08:00 |
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第二個部分，關於個人持有跟商業持有的部分，我覺得也要有一些配套措施，個人持有相對是比較簡單，但是商業已經持有的部分，你又該怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-08T10:25:58.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:00.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
商業的部分，如果他涉及製造、輸入，原則上我們是重罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:01.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:03.731000+08:00 |
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當然，那是已經違法嘛，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:03.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:12.058000+08:00 |
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但是他持有的部分，就是他之前已經進口了一批、帶了一批，因為之前也有人用搬家等各種案件形式把它帶進來。 |
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0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:12.958000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:24.682000+08:00 |
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如果是從輸入端的部分，當然陸、海、空，我們跟財政部都有合作，那些大概都是盡量從上游端、供應端就先攔截了。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:27.044000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:37.637000+08:00 |
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另外，剛剛謝謝委員的提醒，沒有錯，我們可能要增加所謂的宣導期，因為有一些過去持有的部分，的確是沒有被罰的。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:37.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:38.939000+08:00 |
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對，我覺得這部分可能要考量一下。謝謝。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:39.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:39.840000+08:00 |
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謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:40.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:41.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
接下來請教育部。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蔡司長宜靜 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:48.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-08T10:26:48.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-08T10:26:53.658000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:27:26.997000+08:00 |
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學特司，我想請教一下，我們現在有講到唾液快篩，但是大家過去在詢問的時候就有提出來，面對依托咪脂這種半衰期比較短的毒品，基本上用尿液篩檢是抓不到的，但是當時你們的回復是，因為當時法規上只有尿篩執行的規定，並沒有唾液快篩的規定，所以如果我們現在要做唾液快篩的話，你們接下來是不是就要去修法呢？ |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-08T10:27:27.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-08T10:27:40.783000+08:00 |
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因為看起來你們過去在尿檢的部分，是因為毒危防制條例第三十三條之一有訂定，所以有法源依據，你們現在要如何處理校園唾液快篩的法源依據呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡司長宜靜 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-08T10:27:41.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-08T10:27:57.833000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，確實是來自毒危條例，所以目前我們是建議法務部要修毒危條例，增加唾液快篩的管道，然後我們也會在我們的執行要點中增加相關執行的作業。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-08T10:27:57.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:01.235000+08:00 |
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所以你們是會另外制定一個要點嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:01.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:08.457000+08:00 |
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因為你們現在的要點是尿液篩檢及輔導作業要點，你們是要在這個要點上面去做修正，還是你們要新增一個要點？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡司長宜靜 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:08.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:14.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
跟委員報告，我們會在這個要點上去修正，就是增加不限尿液。了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:15.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:26.229000+08:00 |
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接下來請法務部，因為剛剛有提到還是要修毒危條例，但是我看你們現在的修法上，好像沒有看到你們要修毒危條例，所以請部長回應，你們有沒有要修毒危條例？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:30.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:37.677000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實我們現在研議可以修毒危條例第三十三條，因為現在只有尿液而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.514 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:37.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:38.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
對，沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:38.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:39.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
會增加一個唾液。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:37.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:44.301000+08:00 |
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所以這個部分，我想問一下，因為之前是說會修第一百八十五條之三，現在也是會修毒危條例，還有什麼法案會在這一次一併來修正呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.782 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:51.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:55.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
以本部來講，就是毒危條例跟刑法。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:55.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-08T10:28:57.927000+08:00 |
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就我說的這兩個嘛？好喔！了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-08T10:28:58.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:00.888000+08:00 |
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現在作業進度大概到哪裡，可不可以跟我們講一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.476 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:02.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:18.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
跟委員報告，為因應毒駕，我們要全面提高刑法的刑度以及義務沒收等等，這些我們近日會送去行政院審查。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:19.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:20.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
「近日」等於是這一、兩週，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:20.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:20.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以我想在本週內…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:20.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:21.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
本週內嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:21.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:22.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
本週是指剛剛講的這兩個法會一起送嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:22.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:22.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
因為這東西要有配套，不然你們9月怎麼上線啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:31.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:34.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
毒危條例部分的修法，我們會儘快來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:37.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:39.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
至於毒駕部分，我們這一週會送行政院。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:39.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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2026-06-08T10:29:51.704000+08:00 |
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刑法我知道，因為你們之前一直都在講刑法，但是因為教育部說9月就要上唾液篩檢，既然9月要上，你們在時程上面現在是有默契嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:51.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:52.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
彼此知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:52.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:53.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
教育部點頭，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:53.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:54.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
學特司還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-08T10:29:54.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-08T10:29:55.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
因為這個有經過討論過了。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:54.161000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:55.021000+08:00 |
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所以你們大概什麼時候會把毒危條例送進來？ |
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0.842 |
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鄭部長銘謙 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:55.021000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:55.521000+08:00 |
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我們儘快來研修。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:55.521000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:56.521000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:55.761000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:58.402000+08:00 |
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教育部的尿液篩檢輔導作業要點大概什麼時候會修完？ |
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0.913 |
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蔡司長宜靜 |
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2026-06-08T10:29:58.742000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:18.891000+08:00 |
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我們目前已經都在進行討論，預計會在7月以前。 |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:19.272000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:34.579000+08:00 |
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因為現在看起來你們是要在學校裡面執行，這個還要跟學校溝通，還要跟各縣市……應該說你們要跟各縣市教育局溝通，各縣市教育局要再跟學校溝通，9月要上線，7月之前一定要完成，不然應該是完全來不及。是。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:35.820000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:50.539000+08:00 |
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我想問一下，基本上，之前大法官解釋釋字第535號有講到，警察臨檢有一個重要原則，就是國家不能不分時間、地點、對象任意臨檢或是隨機檢查。 |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:30:56.565000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:01.169000+08:00 |
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我看你們這一次的說明是，你們是針對特定、高風險的部分，才會去做尿液篩檢，對不對？ |
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0.8 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:01.370000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:31.487000+08:00 |
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如果是這樣的原則，剛剛又聽到說是身教組長會做這件事情，不過對於學校來說，大家都非常清楚行政工作真的非常多，剛剛林倩綺委員也有關心怎麼樣給第一線學校的支持，這個部分剛剛有要求你們要給一份報告，這份報告也要提供給我，因為我也想要知道你們到底如何避免學校的工作負荷過大。 |
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0.944 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:33.771000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:41.904000+08:00 |
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想請教教育部最後一個問題，如果今天學生拒絕唾液篩檢，學生或家長反對的話，該怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.811 |
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蔡司長宜靜 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:43.684000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:31:47.447000+08:00 |
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像之前毒危條例的規範確實是如果已經納入特定人員名冊，這一類的對象其實不能拒絕，不過在教育部的作為，我們還是會積極溝通，可能請老師跟家長妥適溝通，看看是不是能夠藉由這樣的方式儘量來配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.942 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:32:07.367000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:32:29.374000+08:00 |
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我想這部分還是要提供給學校一個明確的流程，不然就會變成是學校面對家長反對，家長到時候又再找1999、找政治人物民代去關心，現場大家的壓力會很大，所以我覺得要有一個明確的做法，這樣才能夠保障老師跟家長在溝通的時候，彼此的分際是清楚的，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.897 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:32:30.014000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:32:30.674000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:32:30.814000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:08.611000+08:00 |
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最後我想要請問一下數發部，我在你們的書面報告裡面有看到，你們有建立一個「網路平台刊登或販售違法商品下架處理聯防平臺」，從113年11月到115年5月底已經召開了7次會議，處理了至少58項部會提案，也有透過各部會提供關鍵字，讓平臺自主掃描，也有裁罰相關平臺。 |
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0.934 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:08.711000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:38.888000+08:00 |
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我想問一下，因為現在大部分的交易其實是透過社群平臺，特別是學生的交易，已經不僅是透過電商，所以我想問一下，你們現在做的AI巡查有沒有針對社群平臺的貼文、廣告、公開帳號、短影的內容審查？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.88 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:39.248000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:44.132000+08:00 |
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因為我想大家應該都有看到，這部分是有的嗎？ |
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1 |
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施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:44.793000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:46.834000+08:00 |
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我們今年會開始來做這個部分的掃描。 |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:47.775000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:48.336000+08:00 |
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什麼時候要開始？ |
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0.857 |
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施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:49.577000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:50.698000+08:00 |
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7月底以後會建置完成。 |
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0.778 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:33:53.764000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:06.631000+08:00 |
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因為你們過去在打詐領域也有開發詐騙樣態分析和防詐雷達，把過往的詐騙案件整理成風險樣態，再用AI模型去掃描網路廣告跟電商廣告。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.983 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:09.293000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:20.921000+08:00 |
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過去在打詐領域也不是平臺自稱有做就好，而是你們其實有詐欺防制計畫、風險管理機制，還有查驗紀錄、透明度報告，所以你們也是可以抽查跟要求他們提供資料。 |
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0.97 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:21.362000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:34.031000+08:00 |
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我想問一下，這次針對毒品是不是也有做類似的，可能像是毒品與含毒電子煙暗語、資料庫，因為暗語一直不停的在變化，這部分有做類似的…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.93 |
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施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:36.520000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:45.616000+08:00 |
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打詐的部分是因為詐防條例有相關的法律依據；至於毒品的部分，就要看相關法律有沒有相關規定，但是本部都可以配合來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:47.395000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:52.117000+08:00 |
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意思就是如果主管機關有相關的法律，數發部可以來配合就對了？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:52.758000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:57.440000+08:00 |
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數發部是不是也可以積極跟主管機關溝通這件事情呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.87 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:58.220000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:58.300000+08:00 |
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好不好？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:34:58.440000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:08.845000+08:00 |
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因為你們在現場就看到這樣的問題，既然你們成立了跨部會的溝通協作平臺，是不是也可以主動提出這樣的問題呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:09.305000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:10.005000+08:00 |
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是不是也可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:10.225000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:11.226000+08:00 |
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可以，我們都可以配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:12.206000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:17.547000+08:00 |
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我現在不是說你配合，我希望你可以主動提醒他們，可以嗎？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-08T10:35:19.027000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:35.691000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分就是，如果同一個平臺反覆的出現販售喪屍煙彈、含毒煙彈，平臺接獲主管機關通知之後並沒有立即下架，你們現在有權力要求平臺限期改善嗎？ |
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0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:35.871000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:37.211000+08:00 |
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就看作用法有沒有這樣規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:37.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:40.314000+08:00 |
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所以是看…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:40.314000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:46.055000+08:00 |
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對，比如詐騙，依照詐危條例一定要下架，如果沒有下架會被裁罰。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:46.055000+08:00 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:49.236000+08:00 |
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好，所以這看起來是衛福部，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
施組長偉仁 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-08T10:35:49.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-08T10:35:50.096000+08:00 |
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是，衛福部。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-08T10:35:51.037000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-08T10:35:52.597000+08:00 |
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這個應該是食藥署，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:53.937000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-08T10:35:54.738000+08:00 |
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這個算食藥署嗎？還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
施組長偉仁 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:55.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-08T10:35:56.118000+08:00 |
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電子煙應該是國健署。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-06-08T10:35:56.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-08T10:35:56.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
國健署現在是不是有…… |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
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2026-06-08T10:36:03.959000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:11.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
目前就像剛剛委員說的，社群媒體類還有一些是電商平台，電商平臺因為已經實名制，所以幾乎沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:12.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:14.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
對，你們已經有了，但是現在就在社交平臺，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:14.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:27.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
對，社群媒體的部分，比如像Meta、IG、FB等等，我們現在其實有頒布善良管理人的注意事項，其實他們的下架比例也高，只要我們有掃描到，下架率高達99.7%。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:30.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:35.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
所以你們現在已經可以要求平臺限期改善，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:35.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:35.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
對，兩個工作日內。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:36.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:39.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
如果他沒有改善，處罰是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
魏副署長璽倫 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:39.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:43.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
沒有改善的話，有行政罰鍰。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:44.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:44.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
會有行政罰鍰就對了？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:44.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:44.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:45.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:47.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
謝謝張雅琳委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-06-08T10:36:47.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-06-08T10:36:59.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
在沈發惠委員質詢之前，我先作一下會議程序的宣告：稍後許宇甄委員詢答完畢之後，我們就休息5分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-06-08T10:37:00.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-06-08T10:37:02.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
接下來請沈委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |