| IVOD_ID |
169830 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169830 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-17 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-04T10:32:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-04T10:40:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1e7ee030b58e6bfe066de264de1ec50a8ee7e0de9923b3dc87431bb39d7cfed20bb9a68193f37aa45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:09 - 10:40:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長、交通部鐵道局局長及台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長就「5月25日高鐵班次嚴重誤點事件」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請這個董事長 石董事長來 新董事長總經理也一起好了 部長你就坐在那裡聽就好台鐵坐著認真聽 這要教大家有關的 |
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這個上次發生這個大delay,我也是確定啦,林俊憲也是確定啦,規定的就對了因為我們在車上啊,我們就關心發生什麼事嘛然後我們在車上,石董事長你要不要當時我們車上的廣播說什麼我想廣播應該只有講說他會delay,但是並沒有講delay多久好,那個是罐頭的 |
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每幾分鐘講的內容都一模一樣那變成我們坐在車上的人只能有外部資訊那你們外部資訊發布的速度也很慢因為我知道你們在乎完整的資訊所以第一時間包括你的網站你的APP或者是各式各樣你們並沒有很明確的告訴大家有狀況 |
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因為你們要一篇完整的論述可是邏輯上應該是很快告訴大家你們要研究怎麼去處理這件事情這個我們會檢討第二個這個案子發生是凌晨四點多有狀況 開始尋五點多請問你們最後決策的點是幾點 |
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我們從4點27分之後開始搶修所以確實是把管制的範圍不是我說你們班表調整的那個最後決策7點半7點半7點半車都發出來了嗎對我們已經發了部分的車子好那這個事情有沒有要調整 |
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跟委員報告 這個也是一個困難的抉擇因為我們是在將近七點的時候 也就是七點的時候我們終於搶通了雙線跟雙向部長 為什麼會困難的抉擇 為什麼因為要搶通雙線雙向 才能夠實施降載的營運否則就必須要停止那決策人是誰有我們這個EOC那他有什麼邏輯可以決策 |
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跟委員報告一下 基本上我們一開箱就以這個配置 憑經驗好了 我叫憑經驗嘛不是我聽我講 你是憑你的經驗 憑你的推理 憑你的判斷對不對那好 現在發生四點多那我請問一下 如果這事情發生在五點發生在六點 發生在凌晨三點發生在早上八點 發生在不同路段就發生在台北板橋 發生在南港台北而已 |
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你們的答案會不會不一樣會 不一樣會不一樣那這不一樣的劇本在哪裡基本上是我們看看鎖定的期間一個小時可以進去起班像以這個case來講那這個標準在哪裡這個標準已經形成手冊嗎沒有 那個要看你的每個那誰決定嘛就看董事長你知道你聽得懂我的意思嗎 |
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你不可以靠中經理靠資深副總大家用聰明你知道嗎我做簡單的解釋第一個啦這個行控上的為了安全一旦有異常事件他第一個會要求降速降速是降到5公里以下跟降到45公里以下結果就不一樣我現在問的就是說 |
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套炸凌晨一點發生在台北板橋凌晨一點發生在板橋台中發生在哪裡就每一個區段發生不同時間你要決策的時間也都不一樣嘛因為你有發車時間嘛你有從台中發的有從高雄發的對不對有從南港發的嘛每一個決策狀況都不一樣這個時候不能只開應變中心會議然後有一堆人坐在那裡說所以我們決定怎麼做不是這樣搞的啦 |
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這件事情你們一定要編好所有的劇本只要發生這個狀況一查表就是這個狀況後面所有跟的節奏都一樣這件事情董事長 |
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你必須把他很重視 你不能夠單單靠你的同仁啊每個人用每個人的經驗 各部門在那邊 運務部門也在那邊 到那邊說我現在車要怎麼調 你有車嗎 我們的站路能不能處理我們沒辦法處理我們有沒有接駁車 那接駁車怎麼聯絡 那整條路下去整個應變中心沒辦法處理啦 |
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跟委員報告 我們不是沒有劇本啦 但是我想我關於劇本是不是能夠更精密更詳細 這個我願意檢討好 這個檢討 我跟你講這個很重要 包括台鐵也是一樣這不可以說都靠應變中心 我知道你們有成立應變中心裡面每個人都是專家 因為每個人都已經營運高鐵那麼多的時間 各種狀況都遇過但是這一次的專業都台中苗栗這個題目啊 如果你交給一般的學者 他會給你一堆答案啦 |
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我第一時間遇到這個的時候我的想法是說那你既然是台中苗栗那你不可以開台北台中嗎你不可以開苗栗高雄嗎這樣一直對開不行嗎確實不行為什麼不行因為高鐵它其實是需要有這個基地跟整備站才能夠發車那我當天我可不可以台中高雄這樣對開可不可以台中高雄可以對開對嘛 |
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可以嘛是那我可不可以台北台中對開可是問題是台北新竹對開台北新竹對開沒有辦法為什麼因為新竹沒有我們這個整備的這個基地好那台中高雄可以 |
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台中台北可以但是問題是他對行車效率會更差會比你們現在後來編的效率差嗎會台中高雄對開喔台中高雄對開台中高雄的部分效率會高但是我們還是要考慮到長城旅客而且長城旅客是我們主要的客源那我現在講這些有在你們劇本裡面嗎有有在你們劇本裡面所以你們後來決定沒有要開台中高雄對開對 |
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這個都在你們劇本裡面那下一次再遇到類似類似的狀況在不同的區間你們都有辦法很快決策如果有在劇本裡頭如果有在劇本裡頭一查表一查就這種狀況接下來後續採取的策略都有決策的速度會很快跟委員報告我想最關鍵的一件事情是我們有六成的旅客事實上是在台中以北 |
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這個我了解所以台中跟台北之間的運行變成是我們所要的考量我相信你們你今天公開跟大家講你們有劇本所以接下來的角色並不會很困難因為劇本都有劇本都有任何區間在任何時間點查到有狀況查到查不到最後要做角色劇本一出現一查所有後面的配套全部都會出現對吧所以角色的時間會很快不會有困難啊 |
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對 我們會繼續深化會檢討那不會有困難嗎我們一定要不能有困難來應付那這次為什麼有困難其實不是有困難這次事實上是剛好在發車時間所以我們事實上搶修的過程是佔用了時間我們事實上是希望把它搶修完成讓它恢復正常營運是到七點半我們才確定雖然已經搶修到雙向了 |
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所以說但是必須要降載如果連雙項都不能搶修事實上7點半的決策會是停止好那請問董事長這一個決策的最高決策是你嗎最高決策是由總經理召集最後呈報到我這邊確定還要呈報你那你有在應變中心嗎有啊我在應變中心選主理不是啊我是說最後總經理決定之後還要報給你是那為什麼不是你決定呢 |
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因為我們應變中心的召集員在執行上的召集員是有總經理我是希望說接下來不管發生在哪一個時間點哪一個區間發生的狀況確定沒辦法排除了 |
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要做決策了 劇本一打開 所有後面配套都有了所有後面配套都有了 包括是不是要啟動接駁然後是不是每天有多少班次 商務艙怎麼處理是不是要全車自由坐 區間變成怎樣我相信你們做得到 但是請董事長再把公司這整套的劇本 跟後續處理的這些內容 |
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演練一下是演練一下嘗試演練一下讓這個同仁全部繃緊身心因為什麼時間點會發生這一種無法預期的錯誤這個可能都是要先預防的是 謝謝我們會先入檢討好 謝謝好 謝謝王一雙 |