| IVOD_ID |
169804 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169804 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T12:24:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:39:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad041253b50e1679208b151cf886063649796cbb79257defbd0e8ffab895d7d41794bf65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:24:21 - 12:39:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、交通部部長、經濟部部長就「我國測速照相設備設置標準、執行成效及調整不合理執法點位精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、法務部部長、交通部部長、教育部部長、衛生福利部部長、數位發展部部長、財政部關務署署長就「因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒駕案件飆升，如何強化執法量能及防制策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中央警察大學、消防署及所屬、移民署、空中勤務總隊部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款消防署及所屬、移民署、警政署及所屬部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金—新住民發展基金、警察消防海巡移民空勤人員及協勤民力安全基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金—在校學生獎學基金、劉竹琛先生警察子女獎學基金、誠園獎學基金。七、審查內政部函送財團法人臺灣省義勇人員安全濟助基金會、財團法人警察學術研究基金會、財團法人義勇消防人員安全濟助基金會等3家財團法人115年度預算書案。【警政署、消防署之部分預算另定期以秘密會議進行審查】【預算審查僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年6月15日(星期一)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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主席 本席先請我們交通部這個陳次長以及我們公路局的林副局長 |
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委員好次長還有副局長我今天非常沉重站在這裡剛剛有通過的臨時提案我不知道次長知不知道我想副局長您應該很清楚這個一節科技 |
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他這個承攬了交通部 協助了好幾個縣市的這個公路運輸 就客運長期發生臨時的拖班 任意的減班 停駛的這種情況次長我先請教您啊 現在次長應該是有公務車吧 |
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有公務車每天上下班應該是有公務車接送您吧是那我請教您您如果這個公務車他說不來就不來然後常常給您遲到你交通委員會或內政委員會他常常讓你九點半到你有可能容忍嗎你回答我應該是無法接受的無法接受那你們知道一節科技 |
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它不是昨天發生也不是今年才發生一年多了結果我們交通部完全沒有作為所以我們新竹縣的鄉親還有相關路線的各縣市的鄉親他等不到的不是公車他等不到的是沒有願意負責任的政府 |
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今天很多學生站在公車站牌下他都不知道車會不會來他要上學不知道車會不會來上班族也是不知道會不會遲到被扣薪水那很多的長輩站在站牌下他不知道他能不能趕上他的回診 |
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這時候我們交通部在做什麼我們交通部只會開會開會再開會這就是人民最憤怒的地方我們人民的生活被打亂但是官員呢一整天的工作只有把責任往後推一兩年了完全沒有解決所以 |
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這個一節的問題 主管機關早就知道 價值不足 班次異常也知道民眾大量的陳情 更知道營運風險持續存在可是問題是 一路惡化到今天 從113年 到114年 到現在115年 |
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所以這個答案只有一個有人失職而且不是一天的失職是長期的失職是系統性的失職也是整個監理體系的失職所以次長請教公路法第47條47條是寫假的嗎法律明明給了主管機關完整的工具限期改善 |
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你可以停止部分營業你可以停止全部營業你可以廢止執照結果交通部做了什麼法律給你手術刀你交通部只會用棉花棒人民看到的不是你的執法是你的縱容是你的放任次長請你回答我們現在一節科技的問題怎麼辦 |
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我想應該是感謝委員就這個問題提出這麼一個很嚴厲的一個質詢我想這樣的一個問題在站在交通部基於這個道路或者是汽車運輸業的植物管機關來講我們是無法容忍的所以這一部分呢無法容忍為什麼長期發生這個事所以我要跟委員報告六月初才剛又再次託班 |
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五月反映四月反映都沒有用而且一百一十四年就這個問題了一百一十五年還這樣所以本部會則由這個公路局確實去查明然後並依照剛才講的公路法47條或77條其實有很多的法令可以對這個業者予以處分那而且要針對這家業者可能要專案來督導所以 |
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市長也認同一定有人失職然後你們長期失職的結果就給人民來承擔這個痛苦的後果我想在督導面可能要做一些檢討那你們有沒有備援能力嘛譬如他駕駛臨時怎麼樣請駕他可以兩手一攤說我沒有我駕駛我缺駕駛 |
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那你們沒有備援的方案嗎還有這個廠商如果真的長期有問題你們沒有其他的考量嗎按照這個程序啊他早就該 |
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接受很多的懲罰甚至是不是應該要解聘了是我想跟委員報告在這個相關的法令或他們的督導裡頭都有這個可以找其他的業者來接替營運或代駛或者來協調其他客運業者可是交通部沒有任何作為啊 |
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都不斷的回覆給我們沒有接手業者缺乏駕駛人力然後不敢處罰違規業者因為沒有接管能力不敢讓違規業者退場最後違規業者變成大道不能倒人民變成不得不忍市長這個是我們法治國家這個是有為有守有能力政府的行為嗎 |
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真的不要再綁架人民了你不能讓業者綁架政府政府綁架人民啊 |
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站在交通主管機關的立場我們像依法行政而且依法來做相關的一個處置這是必要的所以我剛才在這裡一再的向委員說明了這個我會請公路總局會督導他希望他能夠落實今天最大的問題已經不是易潔科技這個業者是交通部因為 |
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交通部是主管機關業者違規那是業者的責任可是業者違規可以一年又一年一年又兩年那這是不是交通部的責任那讓人民在公車站牌下一次一次的落空一年一年的落空耶這個部分當然我們今天提出了臨時提案我們請問這個次長 |
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我們什麼時候可以最快的你們可不可以立即的按照我們今天提案的內容進行多久可以回覆給本委員會委員剛才提到的那樣要查處的情形或者要說明的情形我們會盡快的在這個三個月內給委員一個答覆好 沒關係三個月太久了吧 |
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而且這情形已經不是昨天發生的我們不是給委員說辦理的情形啦但是該要去請他要改善的要輔導的這個我們會立即來做處理 |
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那你們會不會追究失職責任這個就是我跟委員特別提到原則上我們會請公務局去檢討相關督導上有沒有責任如果有的話當然依相關的程序來做處理一定要追究我們請他們去檢討我們希望縮短兩個月好不好OK 沒問題好 那就兩個月最後 次長跟副局長請回很快的本席請內政部長好不好 很快那個劉部長 |
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部長 我們今天看到內政部的報告有提到獨駕刑法的移送件數 那這個移送件數數字爆炸性的成長那這個代表什麼 這個代表是獨駕犯罪是真的惡化還是警方導入拖曳快篩後過去抓不到的黑數浮現 是什麼 |
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兩者都不排除但是就我們所了解應該就是黑數慢慢浮現出來以後我們再做後續的這個動作的處理所以如果沒有強力打擊的話呢我相信他會慢慢減少好那我們比較關心的是獨駕肇事的件數有沒有下降獨駕致死致傷的案件有沒有下降累犯的比例有沒有下降 |
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還有這個依托米子佔獨駕案件的比例是多少我們各縣市的熱點在哪裡所以我們是不是可以請部長承諾我們能不能在一個月內提出獨駕黑數與查緝成效的分析報告 |
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內容至少包括我們分年分縣市分毒品種類分肇事和非肇事出犯與累犯以及攔查與事故後的查獲統計可以嗎報告委員我們內政部警政署在處理事情是實事求是 |
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曾經發生過的這個案件數目字要做比較好的分析報告我們一定會做報告但是未來如何做處理的話剛剛已經有提過行政院跨部會要做包括從這個行政處分、刑事處分、刑法上面甚至未來怎麼樣遏止全部都包含在內本刑事請你可不可以提出獨駕黑數與查緝成效的分析報告 |
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可能需要時間我們剛剛已經提過了我們是實事求是應該給的報告一定給但是我們沒有辦法像委員所說的馬上就一個答案出來我想這樣子反而不是很實際對啊 那我就問你多久可以給嗎 |
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你分年分縣市你不會現在才要做吧你過去應該有啊分年分縣市分毒品種類分造勢非造勢出販雷販你們一定報告委員我剛沒提過了有關於毒價也好或者是吸毒等等這些一共跨五個不同的部會那我們要收集這個資料所以我們會來處理半年 |
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剛好跟年度預算可以搭配跟委員報告一下我們年度預算到目前為止其實我們就是要用很多不同的經費要處理這一塊所以我們必須要有一段時間的做比較好的整理因為之後收集我們跟委員報告你不會現在才要收集你應該長期有吧 |
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這個部分 署長你可不可以說一下我剛剛跟委員報告過它是跨部會的那跨部會的重整資料的話我們願意來承擔但是沒有辦法那麼快有關毒品跨部會的整合是哪一位政委 |
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還是是直接行政院長或是副院長是誰負責跨部會的召集人跟毒品相關我們這個執政黨的領導很有問題 |
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所以不知道是誰針對我們現在這麼嚴重全民所有藍綠白的立委都關心的毒品是跨幾個部位現在目前是黎明熙你政委跟陳時中陳政委那毒品的這個整個政治是法務部最高檢高檢署在做一個跨部位的整合所謂的毒品整個整合所以是法務部整個整合都是法務部在做整合 |
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一個月內能不能提出獨駕黑樹與茶器成效的分析報告 |
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獨駕黑樹然後內容能夠包括至少分年分縣市讓我們了解肇事非肇事出犯和累犯你是攔查還是事故後的查獲統計委員這個部分的統計我們沒有所以應該是要政委跨部會的所以這個要所以你看我們的中央部會這樣零零落落沒有整合這個真的很讓全國人民失望那 |
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這個部分不是這樣子沒關係 剛剛部長內政部劉部長答應我半年那我們半年後看看我們行政院會在整個統合之下各部會會積極來處理這個事情不會有那種說我們對毒品這個部分其實各單位都已經用最大的力量來做了對啊 用了最大力量但是持續的惡化然後民眾痛苦 |
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其實跟委員報告 其實以前我們也負責做當檢察官的時候我也負責毒品查緝嘛事實在毒品查緝這個東西 其實像現在有些它的量子多可能它是因為我們警政署跟各單位裡面積極在查緝裡面它浮現出來的所以我們也相信經過在我們努力的積極查緝之下法令的配合之下 我也相信說將來那個地方會被我們壓制住的這個部分是我相信將來要多久 已經這麼多年 這麼多年只有惡化 |
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層出不窮 還有越來越慘我們真的希望您說的 我們盡快壓制住對 其實高鐵人署在茶具毒品這一塊上它的那個成效是蠻好的要這邊再詳細的數據我們再跟委員這邊做報告好 那個劉部長 我們就半年你剛剛說半年 我們就半年 |
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報告委員您剛所提的部分是統計數據上面怎麼做分析報告而不是現在行政院所強調的獨駕零容忍現在每個部會真的都非常認真但是未來的修法還是需要立法院的委員的幫忙當然當然這些歸這些但是本席想知道的那我們就請內政部半年後六個月後提出來好謝謝 |