| IVOD_ID |
169798 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169798 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T11:55:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:03:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad0412595c9d14b85b99114a8e069b60cc25a5fb79257defbd0e8fff3b9796bc518a7b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:10 - 12:03:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署單位預算。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部數位產業署單位預算。
四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算。
五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算。
六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。
【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一至六預算提案截止收件時間：6月10日下午4時】） |
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謝謝主席 請我們速發部林部長林部長部長早上我有開一個記者會就針對你們每一年都有一個所謂的活動會議影音記錄的標案連續四年都標給同一個工作室 同一個人 |
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那這個工作室洛斯影像工作室的負責人叫做簡孝化那他過去呢也參與過你們抒發部的一些工作特別是唐鳳這個部長還有政委我想請問一下抒發部裡面有人認識這位簡孝化先生嗎 |
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我認識啊認識好那請問他在述發部裡面的角色到底是什麼事實上剛才也有那個電視台的記者問我類似的就是委員要開記者會嘛我就解釋說其實那個這位簡先生他做的這個事情就跟這個記者都很類似的就是他們在那個收音還有那個錄影還有做那個直播後面的直播然後直播的後製不是不是好 |
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不是那個委員因為有時候有一些國外的那些會議那他希望我去參加或者是我們部內其他的那個次長或者是主任去參加但是我們沒有時間或者是沒有這個經費那個出國的經費包含國內的都2000多萬的經費還不夠好來再講然後我們這時候 |
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這時候就是會錄製一些製詞那我接觸到的部分是這個部分那就是我要那請問一下簡孝樺是不是你們速發部的員工不是不是但是你們都認識他因為他長期長期好所以所以他基本上應該是廠商對不對是就是標案的廠商 |
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那請問一下那過去在你們書發部尤其唐鳳的線上會議啊或者是這個媒體他在這個專題的平台裡面他可以自稱為說他是這個政委辦公室的人或者是說唐鳳辦公室的專案顧問所以我要請教一下 |
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他是嗎 就是你是辦公室的顧問跟你是政委辦公室的人跟你是標案的廠商的負責人這中間的分界到底在哪裡 |
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這個事情由於是當然是唐鳳部長的時候我還沒有來蘇發部所以請我們那個策略司司長說明一下我跟委員報告這個檢消化這個弱勢公司是我112年5月到蘇發部來認知這個標案就存在那當然是執行到年底之後到去年還有沒有存在 |
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今年還有沒有存在有所以你從111年來的時候就一直存在所以沒有錯連續幾年通通都標給這個洛斯影像工作室請問一下這樣的工作是只有我們台灣只有這家公司這家工作室能做嗎 |
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不是我要跟委員報告因為策略是我們公關在各部會裡面不管國會公關都有獨立的任務編組但是在說話部分其實它是一個科在負責所以我們大概是應實際業務需要所以去辦理的這個標案所以說 |
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整個的執行過程這標案有沒有公開招標有有有有公開招標但是非常神奇的是都是只有這一家工作室來得標是這樣嗎這個當然就是依照政府採購法我們去招標的結果當然就只有這一家廠商來投也是事實只有這一家廠商所以做這種會議記錄剪輯或者來這個部長沒有辦法參加的時候來訪問一下部長然後部長有一個影片所以我們全台灣 |
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只有這一家工作室能夠來標案會不會很神奇我會跟委員報告我們大概就是採公開招標方式那到底有多少廠商來參與投標那當然我們就是看廠商的意願所以這中間有取決於履歷的條件或者是我們招標的金額當然也會去限制的一些投標廠商 |
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我在之前抓到中選會連續幾年都包給三立我抓到我們的原委會連續數年大概都是五六年只包給民視他們的講法都跟你一樣都是採取公開招標但是只有他們來標我也沒有辦法就是只有標給他那另外因為你112年你112年就在我們庶發部負責這些相關的業務那請問一下他一直說他是 |
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鎮委辦公室的人你們沒有覺得很奇怪嗎明明知道他是廠商但他都一直對外自稱說是鎮委辦公室的人或是唐鳳辦公室的顧問你們沒有覺得很奇怪嗎我跟委員報告因為這個若是來承擔我們的標案我們就只針對履約的內容去處理 |
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至於他自稱什麼不在你的因為他對我本人他也沒有曾經跟我說過他是政委辦公室你這個到網路上到現在都還有喔他自稱唐破辦公室專案顧問說我是政委辦公室的笑話 |
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這都是網路公開的資訊你們都沒有看喔所以跟委員報告你們看到不會覺得奇怪不會 因為第一個我是112年5月以後所以請問一下他跟之前的唐鳳政委是不是交情很好 |
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這個可能要問他這個我就不是很清楚了所以你就不清楚了是是是所以你們看到他在網路上自稱是唐鳳辦公室的人也不覺得有什麼奇怪不是我跟委員報告因為他跟我簽的採購契約就是雙方嘛 |
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那我們就依照企業的內容去驗收去執行至於跟他對外聲稱什麼只要沒有影響到我這個標案的內容我們當然不會去過問我在這邊要特別指出因為我非常重視沒宣費的使用我們現在已經發現實際因為各部會那種過度集中於單一媒體或單一公司的情形非常非常的嚴重 |
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讓我們不解,我剛才若以部長講的他所做的所謂的會議記錄的這些影音我覺得台灣沒有上百也有上千吧工作室也好,公司也好各個各項的公關公司都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
412.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
436.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
可是為什麼術發部成立以來幾乎年年而且金額從原來的八十萬到了一百一四年已經增加到一百二十萬而且永遠都由這一家工作室來得標你說沒有貓膩 沒有奇怪我想大家很難取信於社會大眾所以我在這邊再度的要求不要每次都以所謂的公開招標為由 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
439.986 |
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453.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
因為這種連續好幾年都單一完全集中於單一公司 單一媒體每個都以所謂的公開招標為由然後其他公司通通不來標不奇怪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
455.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
479.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
因為其他公司都知道了你們幾乎都指定了謝謝委員的垂詢那大概這個一年80那剛剛委員講到120萬這個是大概18個月所以除起來大概還是一年是80這特別說明第二個委員大概有說明到說長年來都是單一個廠商來投標的這個部分我們就接受委員的建議我們回去會檢討謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
485.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
好不要再繼續都是單一廠商我覺得很難取信於社會大眾好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:16.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:16.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，請數發部林部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:16.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:17.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請林部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:17.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:18.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:17.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:22.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長，早上我有開一個記者會，針對你們每一年都有個活動會議影音紀錄的標案，連續4年都標給同一個工作室、同一個人。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:45.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:57.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
這個若思影像工作室的負責人叫做簡孝樺，他過去也參與過你們數發部的一些工作，特別是唐鳳部長及政委在任期間。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-06-03T11:55:58.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-06-03T11:55:59.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我想請問一下，數發部裡面有人認識這位簡孝樺先生嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:03.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:05.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
我認識啊。認識？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:05.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:10.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
好，那請問他在數發部裡面的角色到底是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:10.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:13.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
事實上剛才也有電視台的記者問我類似的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:13.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:28.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
就是因為委員要開記者會，我就解釋，其實這位簡先生做的事情就跟記者做的很類似，就是收音、錄影，還有後面的後製…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:28.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:29.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
直播，然後直播的後製。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:29.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:31.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
不是、不是、不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:31.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:46.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
委員，因為有時候有一些國外的會議希望我去參加，或者是我們部內其他的人員，包含次長或主秘去參加，但是我們沒有時間，或者是沒有經費，出國的經費包含國內的經費…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:46.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:46.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
都兩千多萬了，經費還不夠？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:46.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:47.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
好，來，再講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:47.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:48.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
再扯啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:47.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-03T11:56:58.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
然後我們這時候就是會錄製一些致詞，我接觸到是這個部分，那就是我要…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T11:56:58.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:03.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那請問一下，簡孝樺是不是你們數發部的員工？不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:04.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:06.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
不是，但是你們都認識他，因為他長期…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:06.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:07.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
因為是他幫我錄影的，我當然會認識。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:06.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:07.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
好，所以他基本上應該是廠商，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:07.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:07.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
就是標案的廠商。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:14.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:38.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
那請問一下，過去你們數發部、尤其唐鳳的線上會議，或者是在媒體專題的平台裡面，他可以自稱是政委辦公室的人，或者是唐鳳辦公室的專案顧問，所以我要請教一下，他是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:40.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:51.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
辦公室的顧問跟政委辦公室的人、跟標案的廠商負責人，這中間的分界到底在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:52.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-03T11:57:58.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
這個事情是發生在唐鳳部長的時候，我還沒有來數發部，所以請我們的策略司司長說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T11:57:58.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:09.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我跟委員報告，簡孝樺這個若思公司，在我112年5月到數發部任職時這個標案就存在，那當然是執行到年底之後…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:09.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:11.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
到去年還有沒有存在？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:12.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:13.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
今年還有沒有存在？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:15.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:19.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以你從111年來…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:19.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:20.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
112年的5月我…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:19.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:21.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
來的時候就一直存在？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:21.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:27.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
所以沒有錯，連續幾年統統都標給這個若思影像工作室。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:28.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:33.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
請問一下，這樣的工作我們臺灣只有這一家工作室能做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:34.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:44.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
不是，我要跟委員報告，因為我們策略司公關……在各部會裡面，不管國會公關，都有獨立的任務編組，但是在數發部很奇怪，是一個科在負責。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:44.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:52.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們大概是應實際業務需要，去辦理這個標案，所以整個執行過程…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:53.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:54.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
這個標案有沒有公開招標？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:54.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-03T11:58:55.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
有公開招標。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-03T11:58:55.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-03T11:59:02.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
有公開招標，但是非常神奇的是，都只有這一家工作室得標，是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-03T11:59:02.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-03T11:59:08.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
對，這個當然就是依照政府採購法，我們去招標的結果，當然就只有這一家廠商來投標，也是事實。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-03T11:59:08.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-03T11:59:08.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
只有這一家廠商？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-03T11:59:08.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-03T11:59:24.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以，這種會議紀錄、剪輯，或是部長沒有辦法參加會議的時候來訪問一下部長，讓部長有一個影片，我們全臺灣只有這一家工作室能夠來標，會不會很神奇？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-03T11:59:25.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-03T11:59:40.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
跟委員報告，我們大概就是採公開招標方式，到底有多少廠商來參與投標，當然我們就是看廠商的意願，這中間是取決於履約的條件或我們招標的金額，當然也會去限制一些投標廠商…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-03T11:59:42.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:00.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我在之前抓到中選會連續幾年都包給三立，我抓到我們的原委會連續五、六年只包給民視，他們的講法都跟你一樣，都是採取公開招標，但是只有他們來標，我也沒有辦法，就是只有標給他。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:01.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:16.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
另外，因為你112年就在數發部負責這些相關的業務，請問一下，他一直說他是政委辦公室的人，你們沒有覺得很奇怪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:16.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:24.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
明明知道他是廠商，但他都一直對外自稱是政委辦公室的人，或是唐鳳辦公室的顧問，你們沒有覺得很奇怪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:24.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:29.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我跟委員報告，因為這個若思來承攬我們的標案，我們就只針對履約內容去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:29.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:32.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
當然我會…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:32.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:34.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
至於他自稱什麼，不在你的…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:35.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:39.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
不是，因為他對我本人也不曾說過他是政委辦公室…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:40.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:41.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個部分現在網路上都還有！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:42.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:53.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
他自稱是唐鳳辦公室專案顧問，說他是這個政委辦公室的孝樺，這都是網路公開的資訊，你們都沒有看嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:53.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:54.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
所以跟委員報告，就是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:54.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:55.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你們看到不會覺得奇怪？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:56.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-03T12:00:57.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
不會，因為第一我……不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-03T12:00:58.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:00.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
因為我是112年5月以後…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:00.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:04.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以請問一下，他跟之前的唐鳳政委是不是交情很好？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:05.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:07.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這個可能要問他，我就不是很清楚了。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:08.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:10.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
所以你就不清楚了？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:10.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:15.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以你們看到他在網路上自稱是唐鳳辦公室的人，也不覺得有什麼奇怪？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:16.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:20.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
不是，我跟委員報告，因為他曾跟我們簽了採購契約，就是雙方嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:21.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:27.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我們就依照契約的內容去驗收、去執行；至於他對外聲稱什麼，只要沒有影響到我這個標案的內容，我們當然不會去過問。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:27.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:45.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我在這邊要特別指出，因為我非常重視媒宣費的使用，我們發現各部會那種過度集中於單一媒體或單一公司的情形，非常非常的嚴重，讓我們不解！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:47.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:51.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
如果以部長剛才講的，他所做的會議紀錄這些影音…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:51.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:52.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
那個不是會議紀錄。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:52.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-03T12:01:55.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
在臺灣沒有上千也有上百吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-03T12:01:56.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:00.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
工作室也好，公司也好，各項公關公司都可、都有！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:02.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:17.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
可是為什麼數發部成立以來，幾乎年年，而且金額從原來的80萬，到了114年已經增加到120萬，永遠都由這一家工作室得標？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:17.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:24.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你說沒有貓膩、沒有奇怪，我想都很難取信社會大眾。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:24.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:43.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以我在這邊再度要求，不要每次都以所謂的公開招標為由，因為這種連續好幾年都完全集中於單一公司、單一媒體，每次也都以所謂的公開招標為由，其他公司統統不來標，不奇怪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:45.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:48.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
因為其他公司都知道，你們幾乎都指定了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:48.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-03T12:02:51.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
謝謝委員的垂詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-03T12:02:51.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:00.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
這個大概一年80萬，剛剛委員講到120萬，大概18個月，除起來大概一年還是80萬，這部分特別說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:00.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:09.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
第二個委員有說明到，常年來都是單一個廠商來投標這個部分，我們接受委員的建議，回去會檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:09.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:09.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:10.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:15.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，不要再繼續都是單一廠商，我覺得很難取信社會大眾。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:15.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:17.388286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
謝謝委員。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:17.688286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:20.831143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
謝謝王鴻薇委員，謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:21.131143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:27.702571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
接下來我們請謝龍介委員發言，謝龍介、謝龍介委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-03T12:03:28.002571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:31.145429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
接下來請楊瓊瓔委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |