| IVOD_ID |
169794 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169794 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T12:09:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:21:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125d607c9b283dbde655efbe1c17d8a0199b79257defbd0e8ff52fbb683eb77f5d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:09:09 - 12:21:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：(6月3日上午9時起)
一、審查「性別平等工作法」修正草案等100案。
(一)委員范雲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員萬美玲等35人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員李彥秀等22人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員許智傑等25人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員吳宗憲等16人擬具「性別平等工作法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
二、審查「就業保險法」修正草案等88案。
(一)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員范雲等17人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員許宇甄等22人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「就業保險法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員林淑芬等23人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員涂權吉等16人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員王育敏等18人擬具「就業保險法部分條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
【綜合詢答，僅詢答】
【第一（一○○）案及第二（八十八）案，如經復議則不予審查】
(6月3日下午2時30分起)
(6月3日若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開)
一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。
二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。
【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下紅部長有請紅部長 |
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部長好部長 總統府最近公布了台灣人口對策新戰略這個對於台灣整體來講是一件非常重要的事情因為我們少子化因應談了好幾年大概就這一次有了具體的戰略方向出來這個算是執政黨做了一項對台灣非常 |
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有貢獻的事情可是呢戰略方向定了還是有一些問題要跟部長來做一下有關勞工的部分部分的事項跟部長做一下探討就在行政院所提的修法草案多數措施都是 |
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請領人數跟給付期間增加就是有關臺灣人口新戰略的部分我看涉及到你勞動部的部分大概有育兒留職津貼延長到9個月然後育兒假跟育兒留職挺薪延長到6歲產假、陪產假的延長等等總共有9項 |
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那在行政院所提的修法草案裡面多數措施都是勤領人數跟給付的期間增加也就是說可以預期日後的支出一定會增加那請教一下部長就是修法後上述的年度增加支出大概是多少你們 |
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其實我們目前提出來的計畫尤其跟勞動部有關的部分我們包括公務預算加上基金公務預算加基金目前是跟行政院爭取200億每年?每年要增加200億?我目前爭取200億 |
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因為財政收支劃分法也修正了那中央預算也大幅縮水那勞動部除了增加這200億以外你們怎麼確保其他的政務推動不受影響你懂我的意思嗎這部分我們當然有跟組總確認所以因為當然這幾年其實台灣包括GDP包括科技業的發展其實稅收上確實是有些斬貨 |
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所以我們在這些稅收上掌握我們也覺得包括整個執政的團隊行政人員也覺得應該要多讓這些科技的紅利用多用在勞工身上那我們其實是基於這樣子的想法跟念頭所以覺得說我們盡量在公運算裡面來去多做這樣的爭取 |
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這個請部長記得剛才講的話,我覺得你的觀念是很對,就是全民的紅利,其實我覺得弱勢的勞工真的優先享受我向來是反對什麼普發一萬、兩萬、三萬的,應該要把錢就是做事 |
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正義性的分配不是表面上的我們很希望現在真的是這個科技的紅利那能夠變成是勞工的富利啦這個勞工的富利是說其實有挹注而且這個挹注對勞工來說 |
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他又有能夠持續產生好處的效果比方說他協助了勞工在育兒上面的需求那這育兒上面的需求又能帶來台灣在整個社會發展上面的好處而不是只是花一次就沒了講到紅利我這邊插播一下就是部長勞動基金在四月份 |
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獲利了1.1兆,這個數據是對的嗎?是這個對於廣大的勞工來講,算是最少對於基金的水庫 |
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是一項很大的挹注一定有幫助雖然我們3月份也虧了3800億那當然基金的操作有賺有賠我看一下我們今年的公務預算撥補是1300億 |
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是不是?1300億那也就是說我們假如說除了剛剛部長講的經濟的紅利可以照顧到一般的勞工那我們基金的運作假如也可以參與整個股市的紅利 |
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那對於勞工來講是雙重的保障那股市呢有起有落股市投資有賺有賠我希望部長能夠記住一個原則就是過去很常在股市崩盤的時候 |
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基金互盤我希望部長能夠堅持一個原則假如說我們是看好它跌下來還會再往上漲那當然在基金運作上本來就應該要逢低買進可是不要有互盤的概念 |
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我一直很反對前投資人賺走了然後崩盤的時候罵政府這個非常的畸形根本說明我們基本上基金的操作都是由我們的運用級的專業操作那我覺得最重要的就是操作這專業是最重要的原則那各種的操作我們都希望因為這個基金是來自於勞工 |
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繳出來的 勞工拿出來的這其實很多都是勞工的錢所以要以勞工的利益為最優先的考慮我剛才講的呢就是說你們在保管跟運用勞工的基金唯一的政策目的就是保障勞工並不在保障股市的發展 |
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這個跟我們以基金投入股市獲利是兩件事我希望部長跟部裡面的所有相關人員要有這個概念我們等於說這一筆基金其實我們只是代管而已 |
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我們只是代管而已,我們不應該把它用在用在跟基金充裕勞工退休以後生活無關的政策的政策上是對嘛齁對欸這個這個 |
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我在這邊就是不怕死啦因為廣大的投資人大概過去幾次股市的起落就是一跌下來就希望政府的基金進去護盤我覺得這個也違背自由經濟的 |
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的本質啦所以請部長記得我們插播這一段講太久了我最後問一個問題這很重要很重要的插播這個確實很重要部長 |
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就業保險法修正第19條之3的立法說明有明確指出考量政府推動相關少子化對策措施可能有育兒留職停薪津貼的保險支出增加支出會增加那導致費率超過現行的保險費率這個問題你們會怎麼因應 |
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因為其實舊保還是一個社會保險那舊保的財務其實是來自於這個政府所定的費率然後繳交出來的所以其實舊保的支出也不能夠無限制的支出最核心的無限制支出可是當然就像今天大家 |
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我們也有很多委員其實對舊保基金的支出會有很多的期待那我們當然盡量的來去做某些考慮可是大家過了假設過了某些平衡費率的時候可能就有兩種選擇一種選擇是你要嘛就要提高費率那或者是可能就變成是要有其他的財源能夠挹注所以剛剛這個條文其實出於的就是它是一個德就是說你要嘛如果在費率檢討的時候變成是要 |
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調整費率或者是可以由其他的這個財源來去做綠注各位我請各位報告我們這一次的6加3的條文我們都會在兼顧我們救保基金的財務跟政府的財政的可負擔之下來之一目前沒有要朝著調整費率的方向來處理那我講一個觀念就是政府財政 |
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預注這個都是短期的而且這個是脫離保險整體概念的東西保險的整體概念就是收多少值多少這個才是正常的長久的方向當然短期間之內政府的裁員夠政府預注我並不反對 |
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可是呢,費率適當的調高,這個可能是,反而是讓保險可以永續發展存在的重要觀念。跟姚文說明,我等一下講一下你的意思,但費率是一個,但目前的確我們現在是沒有要調整費率的打算。我也沒有說一定要調。 |
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目前沒有那我們會盡力的來維持包括這個社會保險尤其就保基金的財務的狀況跟他的穩健跟他的健康這部分我們會盡力來維持那就目前就保整體的基金的財務狀況還是還上上還是還算是穩健的情況所以我們在這個穩健的情況下面去做各種去應用上面可能的評估 |
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那我也另外再講我的觀念就是說應該調整保險費率讓保險健全發展的時候其實我們也可以從比例分擔的部分就因為政府本來就有準備錢要挹注嘛政府現在負擔一成 |
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可以提高政府的負擔的比例雖然費率是提高了可是因為政府負擔的比例譬如說從一層調高到兩層三層那勞工跟僱主各相對應負擔的比例就低了這個不是結論只是說這個也是一個思考方向謝謝部長謝謝 |