| IVOD_ID |
169794 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169794 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T12:09:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:21:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125d607c9b283dbde655efbe1c17d8a0199b79257defbd0e8ff52fbb683eb77f5d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:09:09 - 12:21:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：(6月3日上午9時起)
一、審查「性別平等工作法」修正草案等100案。
(一)委員范雲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員萬美玲等35人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員李彥秀等22人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員許智傑等25人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員吳宗憲等16人擬具「性別平等工作法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
二、審查「就業保險法」修正草案等88案。
(一)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員范雲等17人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員許宇甄等22人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「就業保險法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員林淑芬等23人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員涂權吉等16人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員王育敏等18人擬具「就業保險法部分條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
【綜合詢答，僅詢答】
【第一（一○○）案及第二（八十八）案，如經復議則不予審查】
(6月3日下午2時30分起)
(6月3日若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開)
一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。
二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。
【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】） |
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陳司長美女 |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下紅部長有請紅部長 |
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部長好部長 總統府最近公布了台灣人口對策新戰略這個對於台灣整體來講是一件非常重要的事情因為我們少子化因應談了好幾年大概就這一次有了具體的戰略方向出來這個算是執政黨做了一項對台灣非常 |
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有貢獻的事情可是呢戰略方向定了還是有一些問題要跟部長來做一下有關勞工的部分部分的事項跟部長做一下探討就在行政院所提的修法草案多數措施都是 |
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請領人數跟給付期間增加就是有關臺灣人口新戰略的部分我看涉及到你勞動部的部分大概有育兒留職津貼延長到9個月然後育兒假跟育兒留職挺薪延長到6歲產假、陪產假的延長等等總共有9項 |
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那在行政院所提的修法草案裡面多數措施都是勤領人數跟給付的期間增加也就是說可以預期日後的支出一定會增加那請教一下部長就是修法後上述的年度增加支出大概是多少你們 |
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其實我們目前提出來的計畫尤其跟勞動部有關的部分我們包括公務預算加上基金公務預算加基金目前是跟行政院爭取200億每年?每年要增加200億?我目前爭取200億 |
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因為財政收支劃分法也修正了那中央預算也大幅縮水那勞動部除了增加這200億以外你們怎麼確保其他的政務推動不受影響你懂我的意思嗎這部分我們當然有跟組總確認所以因為當然這幾年其實台灣包括GDP包括科技業的發展其實稅收上確實是有些斬貨 |
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所以我們在這些稅收上掌握我們也覺得包括整個執政的團隊行政人員也覺得應該要多讓這些科技的紅利用多用在勞工身上那我們其實是基於這樣子的想法跟念頭所以覺得說我們盡量在公運算裡面來去多做這樣的爭取 |
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這個請部長記得剛才講的話,我覺得你的觀念是很對,就是全民的紅利,其實我覺得弱勢的勞工真的優先享受我向來是反對什麼普發一萬、兩萬、三萬的,應該要把錢就是做事 |
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正義性的分配不是表面上的我們很希望現在真的是這個科技的紅利那能夠變成是勞工的富利啦這個勞工的富利是說其實有挹注而且這個挹注對勞工來說 |
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他又有能夠持續產生好處的效果比方說他協助了勞工在育兒上面的需求那這育兒上面的需求又能帶來台灣在整個社會發展上面的好處而不是只是花一次就沒了講到紅利我這邊插播一下就是部長勞動基金在四月份 |
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獲利了1.1兆,這個數據是對的嗎?是這個對於廣大的勞工來講,算是最少對於基金的水庫 |
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是一項很大的挹注一定有幫助雖然我們3月份也虧了3800億那當然基金的操作有賺有賠我看一下我們今年的公務預算撥補是1300億 |
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是不是?1300億那也就是說我們假如說除了剛剛部長講的經濟的紅利可以照顧到一般的勞工那我們基金的運作假如也可以參與整個股市的紅利 |
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那對於勞工來講是雙重的保障那股市呢有起有落股市投資有賺有賠我希望部長能夠記住一個原則就是過去很常在股市崩盤的時候 |
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基金互盤我希望部長能夠堅持一個原則假如說我們是看好它跌下來還會再往上漲那當然在基金運作上本來就應該要逢低買進可是不要有互盤的概念 |
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我一直很反對前投資人賺走了然後崩盤的時候罵政府這個非常的畸形根本說明我們基本上基金的操作都是由我們的運用級的專業操作那我覺得最重要的就是操作這專業是最重要的原則那各種的操作我們都希望因為這個基金是來自於勞工 |
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繳出來的 勞工拿出來的這其實很多都是勞工的錢所以要以勞工的利益為最優先的考慮我剛才講的呢就是說你們在保管跟運用勞工的基金唯一的政策目的就是保障勞工並不在保障股市的發展 |
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這個跟我們以基金投入股市獲利是兩件事我希望部長跟部裡面的所有相關人員要有這個概念我們等於說這一筆基金其實我們只是代管而已 |
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我們只是代管而已,我們不應該把它用在用在跟基金充裕勞工退休以後生活無關的政策的政策上是對嘛齁對欸這個這個 |
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我在這邊就是不怕死啦因為廣大的投資人大概過去幾次股市的起落就是一跌下來就希望政府的基金進去護盤我覺得這個也違背自由經濟的 |
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的本質啦所以請部長記得我們插播這一段講太久了我最後問一個問題這很重要很重要的插播這個確實很重要部長 |
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就業保險法修正第19條之3的立法說明有明確指出考量政府推動相關少子化對策措施可能有育兒留職停薪津貼的保險支出增加支出會增加那導致費率超過現行的保險費率這個問題你們會怎麼因應 |
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因為其實舊保還是一個社會保險那舊保的財務其實是來自於這個政府所定的費率然後繳交出來的所以其實舊保的支出也不能夠無限制的支出最核心的無限制支出可是當然就像今天大家 |
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我們也有很多委員其實對舊保基金的支出會有很多的期待那我們當然盡量的來去做某些考慮可是大家過了假設過了某些平衡費率的時候可能就有兩種選擇一種選擇是你要嘛就要提高費率那或者是可能就變成是要有其他的財源能夠挹注所以剛剛這個條文其實出於的就是它是一個德就是說你要嘛如果在費率檢討的時候變成是要 |
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調整費率或者是可以由其他的這個財源來去做綠注各位我請各位報告我們這一次的6加3的條文我們都會在兼顧我們救保基金的財務跟政府的財政的可負擔之下來之一目前沒有要朝著調整費率的方向來處理那我講一個觀念就是政府財政 |
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預注這個都是短期的而且這個是脫離保險整體概念的東西保險的整體概念就是收多少值多少這個才是正常的長久的方向當然短期間之內政府的裁員夠政府預注我並不反對 |
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可是呢,費率適當的調高,這個可能是,反而是讓保險可以永續發展存在的重要觀念。跟姚文說明,我等一下講一下你的意思,但費率是一個,但目前的確我們現在是沒有要調整費率的打算。我也沒有說一定要調。 |
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目前沒有那我們會盡力的來維持包括這個社會保險尤其就保基金的財務的狀況跟他的穩健跟他的健康這部分我們會盡力來維持那就目前就保整體的基金的財務狀況還是還上上還是還算是穩健的情況所以我們在這個穩健的情況下面去做各種去應用上面可能的評估 |
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那我也另外再講我的觀念就是說應該調整保險費率讓保險健全發展的時候其實我們也可以從比例分擔的部分就因為政府本來就有準備錢要挹注嘛政府現在負擔一成 |
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可以提高政府的負擔的比例雖然費率是提高了可是因為政府負擔的比例譬如說從一層調高到兩層三層那勞工跟僱主各相對應負擔的比例就低了這個不是結論只是說這個也是一個思考方向謝謝部長謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，請洪部長。 |
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主席 |
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有請洪部長。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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楊委員好。 |
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部長好。 |
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總統府最近公布臺灣人口對策新戰略，這對於臺灣整體來講，是一件非常重要的事情，因為少子化因應談了好幾年，大概就這一次有具體的戰略方向出來，算是執政黨做了一項對臺灣非常有貢獻的事情。 |
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可是戰略方向定了，還是有一些問題，有關勞工部分的事項要跟部長做一下探討。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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行政院所提的修法草案，多數措施都是請領人數跟給付期間增加。 |
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有關臺灣人口新戰略，我看涉及到勞動部的大概有育兒留職津貼延長到9個月，育兒假跟育兒留職停薪延長到6歲，產假、陪產假延長等等，總共有9項。 |
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在行政院所提的修法草案裡，多數措施都是請領人數跟給付期間增加，也就是說，可以預期日後的支出一定會增加。 |
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請教部長，修法後，上述年度增加支出大概是多少，你們有沒有預估？ |
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洪部長申翰 |
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跟委員說明，目前提出來的計畫，尤其跟勞動部有關的部分，包括公務預算加上基金，目前我們是跟行政院爭取大概200億元。每年？對。 |
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每年要增加200億元。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-06-03T12:11:29.980000+08:00 |
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目前爭取200億元。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:35.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:51.610000+08:00 |
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因為財政收支劃分法也修正了，中央預算也大幅縮水，勞動部除了增加200億元以外，你們怎麼確保其他的政務推動不受影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:51.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
你懂我的意思吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.191000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:02.479000+08:00 |
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這個我們當然有跟主總確認，因為這幾年臺灣包括GDP、包括科技業的發展，稅收上確實是有些斬獲。對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:03.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:11.624000+08:00 |
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所以這些稅收上的斬獲，我們覺得，包括整個執政團隊，行政院也覺得應該要把這些科技紅利多用在勞工身上。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:13.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:18.868000+08:00 |
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基於這樣的想法跟念頭，我們盡量在公務預算裡多做爭取。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:22.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:26.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
好，請部長記得剛才講的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:26.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:33.698000+08:00 |
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我覺得你的觀念很對，就是全民的紅利真的要讓弱勢勞工優先享受。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:35.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:50.851000+08:00 |
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我向來反對什麼普發1萬、2萬、3萬的啦，應該要把錢做正義性的分配，不是表面上的均分。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:51.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:57.716000+08:00 |
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我們真的很希望現在科技的紅利能夠變成勞工的複利啦。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:58.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:06.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
這個勞工的複利其實是有挹注，而且這個挹注對勞工來說，他又有能夠持續產生好處的效果。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:06.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:17.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
比方說協助勞工在育兒的需求，育兒的需求又能帶來臺灣整個社會發展上的好處，而不只是發一次就沒了。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:18.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:26.207000+08:00 |
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講到紅利，我這邊插播一下，部長，勞動基金在4月份獲利了1.1兆元，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:26.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:27.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
這個數據是對的嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:27.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:43.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
對於廣大的勞工來講，至少對基金的水庫是一項很大的挹注。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:43.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:45.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
有幫助。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:45.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:56.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
一定有幫助，雖然3月份也虧了3,800億元，當然基金的操作有賺有賠。是。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:56.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:03.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我看今年的公務預算撥補是1,300億元，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:05.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:26.784000+08:00 |
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也就是說，除了剛剛部長講的，經濟的紅利可以照顧到一般的勞工，假如基金的運作也可以參與整個股市的紅利，對於勞工來講是雙重的保障。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:30.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:35.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
股市有起有落，股市投資有賺有賠。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:35.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:13.377000+08:00 |
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我希望部長能夠記住一個原則，過去很常在股市崩盤的時候基金護盤，我希望部長能夠堅持一個原則，假如看好它跌下來還會再往上漲，當然基金運作本來就應該逢低買進，可是不要有護盤的概念。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:14.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:23.455000+08:00 |
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我一直很反對錢被投資人賺走了，然後崩盤的時候罵政府，這個非常的畸形。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:24.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:37.283000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，基本上基金的操作都是由勞動基金運用局專業操作，我覺得專業是最重要的原則，各種的操作我們都希望如此。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:37.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:49.541000+08:00 |
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因為這個基金是來自勞工繳出來的，勞工拿出來的，很多都是勞工的錢，所以要以勞工的利益為最優先的考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:49.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:19.694000+08:00 |
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我剛才講的就是，你們保管跟運用勞工基金唯一的政策目的就是保障勞工，並不在保障股市的發展，這跟以基金投入股市獲利是兩件事，我希望部長跟部裡所有相關人員要有這個概念。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:21.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:37.333000+08:00 |
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等於這筆基金其實我們只是代管而已，不應該把它用在跟基金充裕、勞工退休以後生活無關的政策上。是。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:42.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:07.830000+08:00 |
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我就是不怕死啦，因為廣大的投資人大概在過去幾次股市起落時，一跌下來，就希望政府的基金進去護盤，我覺得這也違背自由經濟的本質啦，所以請部長記得。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:09.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:12.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
插播這一段講太久了，我最後問一個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:12.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:15.277000+08:00 |
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這很重要，這是很重要的插播。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:15.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:15.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
對，這個確實很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:16.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:45.709000+08:00 |
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部長，就業保險法修正第十九條之三的立法說明有明確指出，考量政府推動相關少子化對策措施，可能有育兒留職停薪津貼的保險支出增加，支出會增加，導致費率超過現行的保險費率。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:45.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:46.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這個問題你們會怎麼因應？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:51.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:54.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
因為就保還是一個社會保險。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:55.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:06.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
就保的財務是來自於政府所定的費率繳交出來的，所以其實就保的支出也不能夠無限制的支出。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:06.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:07.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對、對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:07.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:18.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
最核心的是不能無限制的支出，可是就像今天很多委員對就保基金的支出有很多的期待，我們當然盡量做某些考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:18.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:30.918000+08:00 |
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可是假設過了某些平衡費率的時候，可能就兩種選擇，一種選擇是提高費率，或者可能要有其他財源能夠挹注。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:33.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:46.236000+08:00 |
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剛剛這個條文其實處理的是「得」，就是你要麼在費率檢討的時候調整費率，或者可以由其他的財源來挹注。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:46.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-03T12:18:49.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這部分我請司長跟委員說明。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.154 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳司長美女 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-03T12:18:49.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:03.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
跟委員報告，我們這一次6+3的條文，都會在兼顧就保基金財務跟政府財政的可負擔下來支應，目前沒有要朝著調整費率的方向來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:04.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:14.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
喔，那我講一個觀念，就是政府財政挹注都是短期的，而且是脫離保險整體概念。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:17.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:22.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
保險的整體概念就是收多少支多少，這才是正常的、長久的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:25.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:29.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
當然短期間之內政府的財源夠，政府挹注，我並不反對。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:30.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:41.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
可是費率適當的調高，反而可能是讓保險可以永續發展、存在的重要觀念。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:42.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:49.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
跟楊委員說明，我了解楊委員的意思，當然費率是一個，目前我們的確沒有調整費率的打算。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.676 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:50.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-03T12:19:51.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我也沒有說一定要調。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-03T12:19:51.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-03T12:20:02.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
目前沒有要調，我們會盡力維持包括社會保險，尤其就保基金財務狀況的穩健跟健康，這部分會盡力維持。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-03T12:20:02.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-03T12:20:12.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
目前就保基金整體的財務狀況還算是穩健，所以我們是在這個穩健的情況下去做各種應用、可能的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-03T12:20:13.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-03T12:20:38.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我也另外再講我的觀念，應該調整保險費率，讓保險健全發展，其實也可以從比例分擔考量，因為政府本來就有準備錢要挹注嘛，政府現在負擔一成，可以提高政府負擔的比例。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-03T12:20:40.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-03T12:20:54.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
雖然費率是提高的，可是因為政府負擔的比例，譬如說從一成調高到兩成、三成，勞工跟雇主各相對應負擔的比例就低了。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-03T12:20:57.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-03T12:20:59.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個不是結論，只是說也是一個思考方向。了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-03T12:21:00.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-03T12:21:00.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
好，謝謝部長，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-03T12:21:00.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-03T12:21:03.424143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
好，謝謝楊曜委員的發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-03T12:21:03.724143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-03T12:21:06.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
接下來請黃秀芳委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-03T12:21:07.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-03T12:21:12.024143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
等黃秀芳委員質詢完畢之後，我們就休息。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |