| IVOD_ID |
169793 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169793 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T12:03:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T12:12:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125a7e1c2fb97d29fe0cf886063649796cbb79257defbd0e8ffd2a91ba8bd4818235ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:24 - 12:12:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、交通部部長、經濟部部長就「我國測速照相設備設置標準、執行成效及調整不合理執法點位精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、法務部部長、交通部部長、教育部部長、衛生福利部部長、數位發展部部長、財政部關務署署長就「因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒駕案件飆升，如何強化執法量能及防制策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中央警察大學、消防署及所屬、移民署、空中勤務總隊部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款消防署及所屬、移民署、警政署及所屬部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金—新住民發展基金、警察消防海巡移民空勤人員及協勤民力安全基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金—在校學生獎學基金、劉竹琛先生警察子女獎學基金、誠園獎學基金。七、審查內政部函送財團法人臺灣省義勇人員安全濟助基金會、財團法人警察學術研究基金會、財團法人義勇消防人員安全濟助基金會等3家財團法人115年度預算書案。【警政署、消防署之部分預算另定期以秘密會議進行審查】【預算審查僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年6月15日(星期一)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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好 謝謝主席那我們請警政署的張署長然後還有法務部的馮次長那今天司法院有代表來嗎沒有好 沒關係那我們先請張署長還有馮次長 |
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請教署長跟次長 今年4月立法院三讀通過刑事訴訟法然後把這個不能安全駕駛罪 含酒駕還有毒駕全面納入預防性的羈押的條款然後5月正式上路 高檢署也下令積極要申請預防性的羈押嚇阻毒販 |
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然後呢 我們的警察呢 也全面推動了這一個唾液的快篩實施呢 隨到隨開移送 擠壓但是呢 要成功擠壓呢法院 還有三個要件第一個 犯罪嫌疑重大第二個 有反覆實行同一犯罪之餘第三 有擠壓的必要我現在就講一個個案彰化瓦斯車獨駕那件事情我先問 這個檢察官提抗告了沒有 |
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這件事情引起大家的憤怒的原因在於說警察很認真在抓 警察官很認真在起訴到了法院那邊呢 法官怎麼講 他說第一個 |
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你們認為啦 簡簡單單認為說 他有吸毒啊 而且有這個前科啊 對不對而且呢 他職業具有高度的風險 因為他是在運送這個瓦斯桶啊所以呢 他有這個高度的再犯的風險但是呢 法官他說 以前有前科 不保證說未來一定會再做同樣的事情啊 |
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那所以呢他認為沒有反覆實施之餘啦第二個呢這個檢方主張呢他是自撞車禍而且呢現場已經有驗出了這個快篩的這個唾液是陽性的這屬於證明說這個是開車的時候受到毒品的影響那法官怎麼講法官說沒有啊 |
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這只能證明說體內有代謝物在最終的尿液精密定檢報告出爐之前沒有辦法憑快篩就直接推論駕駛已達不能安全駕駛的犯罪狀態他已經自撞了還 |
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法官還認為說他不能,他已經沒有說他不能安全駕駛那我就請問一下檢警努力抓,哇我們這個口號也很喊得也很大聲誰到誰開,移送羈押,然後到法院那邊就把你禮物包請回啦那現在遇到這種事情怎麼辦 |
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根委員報告 事實上來講我們監警的努力我們還是持續在會做那對於說法院如果認為說是無保請回的部分我們認為如果人家羈押的話我們就會提抗告我知道了 我是說那中間的落差你們現在羈押率是七成嘛 對不對根委員報告 如果是致死的部分我們目前十一件裡面生壓的是十件 準壓是九件那那個準壓的率是九十趴 |
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準壓90%對至死的部分至死的部分然後如果是預防性羈押的部分生壓30件準壓21件就七成嘛這個核准例是七成對啊我剛才就講就是說你預防性羈押是七成嘛那三成就是我剛才講的啊這個部分我們會努力因為就是說不是你們努力你們很努力的所以我剛才在問說有沒有司法院的代表嘛那現在就是說檢警在辦這個獨駕我們口號也喊得很大啊但是到法官那邊他就跟你講說沒有啊還沒有反復實施之餘啊 |
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所以你們當初送出去的 |
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證據還不夠嗎 還不夠充足嗎其實我們在預防性羈押這件事情上因為跟委員報告 唾液現在並沒有辦法說來作為一個那個判斷嘛那是未來將來我們的考量的部分但目前以預防性羈押的部分上的話這一塊上有一些法官他的判斷部分還沒有達到一致性那目前七成我們繼續努力嘛我們希望是說能夠怎麼樣去達到這一致性呢 有的 |
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預防性羈押成功有的就無保請回那中間的落差到底在哪裡這個彰化這個獨駕瓦斯車這件事情這個大概已經很大討論了它是獨駕自撞欸它還不是說臨檢欸那結果法官還認為說沒有達到不能安全開車這就是你們當初證據是怎麼送的讓法官認為說它還可以安全的開車它是自撞欸 |
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那委員我們這部分我們有充分的敘述理由去抗告啦我們相信說我們會努力做這個事情那中間的落差怎麼辦我認真說那中間的落差是人民在質疑目前大家對於直駕獨駕這件事情警政署警察在抓很努力然後呢這個檢察官很努力那結果到法院那邊 |
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這個是不是可能再去跟司法院這邊看怎麼樣的一個就是說把這個我們彼此之間的意見做一個共識那我再問啦就是說現在我們對於這個新興毒品這個定出這個濃度的標準現在的情況是怎麼樣因為現在只要是說你有達到這個標準就是當作這個抽象危險犯了對不對 |
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來做處理嘛那對於這個新興毒品目前的這個公告的標準我們有與時俱進在做處理嗎這署長回答還是次長回答那這個新興毒品如果是一通米子的話它的益值目前是50有一定的標準有要再做調整嗎應該會做調整因為它的衰退期很快所以它的益值應該會往下調 |
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是內政部在處理還是衛福部在處理衛福部 莊市長 |
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那馮市長先請回好了這個要去跟司法院再溝通一下啦有關這個實驗室的這個預值的調降這是由我們食藥署這邊跟實驗室這邊我們一起來找專家來討論那來研判說我們目前的各實驗室的機器是不是有辦法再調降啦那目前大概大致上就是說如果要達到這個部分大概只有一家實驗室必須要再投資設備這樣子 |
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所以會往調降這個方向做處理?是,是,是,在一個月之內我們會往這個沿逸一個月之內主席,我再問最後一個問題,市長在這邊就是說現在我們對於這個依托米子的這個前驅原料的管制處理方式怎麼樣?因為至少我知道就有兩種嘛一種是依托米子酸,一種是二氫基依托米子 |
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現在對於這個先驅原料我們的處理包委員,我們是管藥的部分,這個屬於毒品的部分可能是經濟部的這個部分來管但是誰在管?經濟部經濟部在管這個嗎?經濟部今天有代表來嗎? |
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我記得說這個先驅原料沒有在管理嗎?我報告一下啦,這個先驅原料現在目前是一個伊托米子酸跟肝胺酸乙酯那這些先驅原料就是有,現在是可以進口進來但是這個先驅原料我們在6月17號,讀審會就會把它列管了列管就是這個不能進口進來 |
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那他查得到嗎?我的意思是說不能進口但是查得到嗎?源頭會查得到啊,不管是在邊境或者是這些工廠我們都可以查得到啊都查得到?如果說從這個國外運進來也查得到?列管之後就不能進口就會查得到啊在關口海關那邊會查得到目前的一切查得出來嗎?查得出來,會查得到那個彭署長有在這裡嗎? |
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來來來 不好意思 我簡單請署長回答一下海關這邊這查得出來嗎 它這個先驅原料查得出來嗎那海關第一線查到也是要送那個法務部的化驗室去化驗才知道對 那如果說查得出來 這個是屬於先驅原料嗎查得出來嗎 不知道列管之後就查得出來列管之後查得出來所以你們6月17號之後會列管 它的先驅原料就對了是是好 OK 好 謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:27.755000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:27.995000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:29.777000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:36.763000+08:00 |
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請警政署張署長、法務部馮次長。 |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:36.903000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-06-03T12:03:40.867000+08:00 |
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今天司法院有代表來嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:41.648000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:43.089000+08:00 |
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好，沒關係，我們先請張署長及馮次長。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:43.109000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:43.129000+08:00 |
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請張署長、馮次長。 |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:03:49.401000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:18.971000+08:00 |
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請教署長跟次長，今年4月立法院三讀通過刑事訴訟法，把不能安全駕駛罪（含酒駕及毒駕）全面納入預防性羈押條款，5月正式上路；高檢署也下令要積極聲請預防性羈押，嚇阻毒犯；我們的警察也全面推動唾液快篩，實施隨到隨開、移送即押。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:20.512000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:31.579000+08:00 |
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但是要成功羈押的話，法院還有三個要件：第一個是犯罪嫌疑重大；第二個是有反覆實行同一犯罪之虞；第三是有羈押的必要。 |
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0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:32.580000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:38.324000+08:00 |
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我現在就講一個個案，關於彰化瓦斯車毒駕那件事情，我先問這個檢察官提抗告了沒？ |
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0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-06-03T12:04:38.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-06-03T12:04:43.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
報告委員，已經提了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:43.550000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:54.055000+08:00 |
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這件事情引起大家憤怒的原因就在於警察很認真在抓、檢察官很認真在起訴，到了法院那邊法官怎麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:04:54.315000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:05:17.870000+08:00 |
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第一個，檢警認為他有吸毒、有前科，而且他的職業具有高度的風險，因為他是在運送瓦斯桶，所以他有高度再犯的風險，但是法官說以前有前科不保證未來一定會再做同樣的事情，所以他認為沒有反覆實施之虞。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:05:18.870000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:05:34.696000+08:00 |
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第二個，檢方主張他是自撞車禍，而且現場唾液快篩驗出是陽性的，就足以證明這是開車的時候受到毒品的影響，那法官怎麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-03T12:05:34.696000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-03T12:05:35.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
法官說：沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T12:05:36.427000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:05:49.844000+08:00 |
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這只能證明體內有代謝物，在最終的尿液精密定檢報告出爐之前，沒有辦法憑快篩就直接推論駕駛已達不能安全駕駛的犯罪狀態。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T12:05:49.844000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:06:09.859000+08:00 |
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他已經自撞了，法官還認為無法推論他不能安全駕駛，我就請問一下，檢警努力抓，我們的口號喊得也很大聲：「隨到隨開、移送即押」，結果到了法院那邊卻是無保請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:10.839000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:06:11.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
現在遇到這種事情怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:14.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:25.717000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，事實上檢警還是會持續努力，對於法院無保請回的部分，我們認為如果仍然要羈押的話，我們就會提抗告…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:26.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:26.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:27.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:30.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我是說中間的落差，你們現在的羈押率是七成對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:30.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:38.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
跟委員報告，如果是致死的部分，目前11件裡面，聲押的是10件，准押是9件，准押率是90%…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:39.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:41.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
準押率90%？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:41.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:41.646000+08:00 |
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對於致死的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:42.047000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:42.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
好，這是致死的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:42.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:46.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
如果是預防性羈押的部分，聲押30件、准押21件，所以核准率是七成。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:46.430000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:06:46.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
就七成嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:48.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:50.052000+08:00 |
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我剛才就說預防性羈押是七成嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:50.653000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:51.793000+08:00 |
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其他三成就是我剛才講的啊 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:52.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T12:06:53.735000+08:00 |
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這個部分我們會努力，因為跟法院…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:54.295000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:06:59.078000+08:00 |
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不是你們努力的問題，你們已經很努力了，所以我剛才在問有沒有司法院的代表嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T12:06:59.639000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:07:06.343000+08:00 |
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現在就是檢警在辦毒駕，我們口號也喊得很大聲，但是到法官那邊他就跟你講說：沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:06.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:07.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
還沒有反覆實施之虞啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:07.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:08.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
這個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:08.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-03T12:07:09.965000+08:00 |
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你們唾液快篩驗出是陽性，但他說那有可能是殘留物，他還要等最終的尿液報告出來，那中間的落差怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:09.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:10.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
這才是人民在關心的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:10.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:11.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
委員，我們也會盡檢警的能力，就是把證據的部分以及要件的部分弄得更清楚一點給…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:09.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:32.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
所以你們當初送出去的證據還不夠充足嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:32.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:41.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
跟委員報告，在預防性羈押這件事情上，其實唾液現在並沒有辦法作為判斷，那是將來我們考量的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
馮次長成 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:42.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:51.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
目前以預防性羈押這個部分而言，有一些法官的判斷還沒有達到一致性，目前是七成，我們會繼續努力，我們希望能夠…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:51.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-03T12:07:53.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
怎麼樣達到一致性？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-03T12:07:53.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-03T12:08:01.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
有的預防性羈押成功、有的就無保請回，中間的落差到底在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-03T12:08:01.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-03T12:08:10.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
彰化毒駕瓦斯車這件事情引起大家很大的討論，他是獨駕自撞，他還不是踫到臨檢欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:10.755000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:20.240000+08:00 |
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結果法官還認為他沒有達到不能安全開車的狀態，你們當初證據是怎麼送的，竟然讓法官認為他還可以安全開車，他是自撞欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
馮次長成 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:21.508000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:26.991000+08:00 |
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報告委員，這部分我們有充分敘述理由去抗告，我們會努力做這件事情。 |
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0.897 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:28.272000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:29.513000+08:00 |
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那中間的落差怎麼辦？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:29.513000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:43.241000+08:00 |
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我的意思是說，中間的落差是人民在質疑對於毒駕這件事情，警察很努力在抓，檢察官也很努力，結果到法院那邊卻無保請回了。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
馮次長成 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:45.304000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:55.166000+08:00 |
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是不是我們再去跟司法院協調看看怎麼讓我們彼此之間的意見達成共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:08:55.166000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-03T12:09:05.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
那我再問，對於新興毒品訂出濃度的標準，現在的情況是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:05.449000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:10.783000+08:00 |
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因為現在只要是你有達到這個標準，就當作是抽象危險犯來做處理，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:11.643000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:20.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
對於新興毒品目前的公告標準，我們有與時俱進在做處理嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-03T12:09:20.086000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-03T12:09:21.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
署長要回答，還是次長要回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:23.006000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:29.348000+08:00 |
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新興毒品如果是依托咪酯的話，它的閾值目前是50，有一定的標準。 |
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0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:29.648000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:31.549000+08:00 |
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那有要再做調整嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:31.549000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:33.469000+08:00 |
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應該會做調整，因為它的衰退期很快。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:34.269000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:35.430000+08:00 |
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所以它的閾值應該會往下調，才不會喪失它那個時……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.478 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:35.430000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:36.430000+08:00 |
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因為它的衰退期很快。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:36.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:37.430000+08:00 |
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因為吸食依托咪酯大概在75分鐘之後就驗不出來了，所以它的閾值現在如果在50的話，應該太高。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:37.430000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:38.430000+08:00 |
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有關這個部分，我們可能就要建議衛福部把閾值做調降。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:37.413000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:38.234000+08:00 |
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這個是內政部在處理，還是衛福部在處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:38.314000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:38.434000+08:00 |
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衛福部。 |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:38.434000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:51.452500+08:00 |
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衛福部？對。 |
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0 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:09:51.452500+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:04.471000+08:00 |
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請衛福部莊次長。 |
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0.286 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:04.471000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:07.912000+08:00 |
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馮次長先請回好了，這個要去跟司法院再溝通一下啦！是。 |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:10.732000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:25.095000+08:00 |
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報告委員，有關實驗室的閾值調降部分，是由我們食藥署跟實驗室一起找專家來討論，以及來研判我們目前各實驗室的機器是不是有辦法再調降。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:25.915000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:32.097000+08:00 |
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目前如果要達到這個部分，大概只有一家實驗室必須要再投資設備。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:33.597000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:35.939000+08:00 |
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所以會往調降這個方向去做處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:36.279000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:38.742000+08:00 |
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是，在一個月之內我們會往這個研議。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:38.902000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:39.862000+08:00 |
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一個月之內？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-03T12:10:39.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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2026-06-03T12:10:41.544000+08:00 |
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主席，我再問最後一個問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:42.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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2026-06-03T12:10:50.692000+08:00 |
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就是現在我們對於依托咪酯前驅原料的管制處理方式怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-03T12:10:50.952000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:52.113000+08:00 |
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至少我知道就有兩種嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-03T12:10:52.733000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:56.176000+08:00 |
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一種是依托咪酯酸、一種是2-巰基依托咪酯。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:10:58.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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2026-06-03T12:11:02.943000+08:00 |
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現在對於先驅原料，我們的處理…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:03.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:05.985000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們是管藥的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:06.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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2026-06-03T12:11:10.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
這是屬於毒品的部分，可能是經濟部來管。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-06-03T12:11:11.009000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T12:11:11.309000+08:00 |
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那是誰在管？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:12.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
經濟部。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
經濟部？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
經濟部在管這個嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:11.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:13.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
經濟部今天有代表來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:20.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:22.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
署長，我的意思是，這個先驅原料沒有在管理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:22.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:23.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
委員，我報告一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:24.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:39.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
先驅原料目前是依托咪酯酸跟甘胺酸乙酯，這些先驅原料現在是可以進口進來，但是這個先驅原料我們在6月17號毒審會就會把它列管了。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:40.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:41.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
列管就是這個不能進口進來。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:43.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:44.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
那這個查得到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:44.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:46.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我的意思是，不能進口，但是查得到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:46.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:47.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
源頭會查得到啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:47.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
不管是在邊境或者是在工廠，我們都可以查得到啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.952 |
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李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
都查得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:52.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:53.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
對，都可以查得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:53.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:56.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
如果是從國外運進來，也查得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:56.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:57.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
查得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:56.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:58.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
列管之後就不能進口，就會查得到啊！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:58.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-06-03T12:11:59.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
但我的意思是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-06-03T12:11:58.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:01.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
在關口海關那邊會查得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:01.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:03.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
目前的一切查得出來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:03.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:04.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
查得出來，會查得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:04.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:04.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
彭署長有在這裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:09.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:10.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
不好意思，我簡單請署長回答一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:10.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:17.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
海關這邊，它這個先驅原料查得出來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
彭署長英偉 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:17.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:23.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
報告委員，海關第一線查到，也是要送法務部的化驗室去化驗才知道。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:23.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:27.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
那查得出來這個是屬於先驅原料嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:27.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:27.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
彭署長英偉 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:27.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:29.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
列管之後就查得出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:29.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:30.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
列管之後查得出來？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:30.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:33.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
所以你們6月17號之後會列管它的先驅原料就對了？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:34.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:34.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:34.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:35.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:35.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:40.402143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
跟委員會報告，我們現在先處理臨時提案。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:40.702143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-06-03T12:12:46.130714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
今天有委員徐欣瑩等提出臨時提案1案，請宣讀。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-06-03T12:12:46.430714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:09.002143+08:00 |
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有鑑於新竹縣多條公路客運路線由亦捷科際整合股份有限公司接手營運後，長期發生脫班、減班、停駛及駕駛人力不足等情事，嚴重影響學生就學、勞工通勤、長者就醫及偏鄉居民基本交通權益。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:09.302143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:31.587857+08:00 |
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相關問題自接手初期即已陸續浮現，主管機關亦早已掌握駕駛不足、班次異常及營運風險等訊息，卻長期以協調、開會及低度裁罰取代積極監理與有效處置，致使問題反覆發生，民怨持續累積。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:31.887857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-06-03T12:13:49.030714+08:00 |
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依《公路法》第47條規定，主管機關除得限期改善外，尚得採取停止部分營業、停止全部營業及廢止執照等措施，並明定應採取適當措施維持運輸不中斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-06-03T12:13:49.330714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:15.902143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
惟交通部及所屬公路主管機關長期以駕駛不足、業者難尋及接手困難等理由作為主要說明，卻未能建立有效之預警監測、備援接駛、退場接管及高風險業者監理制度，形成業者反覆違規、政府反覆開罰、人民反覆受害之惡性循環。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:16.202143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:31.345000+08:00 |
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今日問題已非單純業者經營不善，而是交通部、公路局及監理機關監理失能、風險管理失靈及公共運輸治理失敗之重大行政缺失。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:31.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:40.502143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
當主管機關早已掌握風險，問題卻持續惡化，已非個案意外，而是系統性失職。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:40.802143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-06-03T12:14:57.659286+08:00 |
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為保障人民交通權益、重建公共運輸信任及追究相關行政責任，爰提出本案，其應辦內容如下，請公路局查明及督導並將執行成果提出書面報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-06-03T12:14:57.959286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:10.816429+08:00 |
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一、要求交通部立即成立專案調查小組，全面清查亦捷公司接手營運以來所有違規、脫班、停駛及民眾申訴案件。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:11.116429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:35.402143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
二、要求交通部徹查公路局及新竹區監理所是否涉及監理怠惰、風險管理失靈及行政監督失職情事，並公布調查結果；對於多次違規卻未依法積極處置、疑有縱放少罰情形者，應一併追究相關行政及法律責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:35.702143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-06-03T12:15:51.702143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
三、要求交通部針對歷次改善會議、裁罰案件、督導作為及後續執行情形進行專案檢討，釐清是否存在明知風險卻未積極作為之失職責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-06-03T12:15:52.002143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:04.002143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
四、要求交通部對相關失職人員依法究責，必要時予以行政懲處，並將檢討結果函送立法院內政委員會。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:04.302143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:16.587857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
五、要求交通部提出本案政務檢討報告，說明交通部、公路局及相關主管人員之督導責任及具體改善措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
項目 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:16.887857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:34.030714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
六、要求交通部於三個月內提出「高風險客運業者退場機制」、「緊急接管機制」、「備援接駛制度」及「重大違規業者監理強化方案」，送立法院內政委員會備查。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
項目 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:34.330714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-06-03T12:16:58.616429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
七、要求交通部檢討現行《公路汽車客運業違反公路法第47條及第77條第1項事件裁量基準》，研議提高累犯及重大違規業者之處分強度，避免形成「違規成本低、人民成本高」之不合理現象，並於三個月內提出修正方案。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
項目 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-06-03T12:16:58.916429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:02.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
徐欣瑩 張智倫 廖先翔 許忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:02.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:06.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
徐委員有要補充說明嗎？沒有。沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:06.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:08.087857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
那交通部？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:08.387857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:09.530714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
沒有意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:09.830714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:11.259286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
沒有意見嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:11.559286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:14.987857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
是照修正通過，還是你直接改？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:15.287857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-06-03T12:17:16.430714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:16.730714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:17.730714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
簽名了。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:18.030714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:20.887857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
好，那就照修正內容通過。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:21.187857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:24.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
請問有無異議？沒有。沒有？ |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:24.345000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:25.345000+08:00 |
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好，通過。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-06-03T12:17:25.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:27.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
接下來繼續詢答。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:27.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
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2026-06-03T12:17:30.802143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
請洪孟楷委員發言質詢。 |
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0 |