| IVOD_ID |
169788 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169788 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T11:14:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T11:24:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125d7479efcaf5355b0cf886063649796cbb79257defbd0e8ff12974bf4722aa1b25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:02 - 11:24:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、交通部部長、經濟部部長就「我國測速照相設備設置標準、執行成效及調整不合理執法點位精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、法務部部長、交通部部長、教育部部長、衛生福利部部長、數位發展部部長、財政部關務署署長就「因應新興毒品氾濫導致毒駕案件飆升，如何強化執法量能及防制策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中央警察大學、消防署及所屬、移民署、空中勤務總隊部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款消防署及所屬、移民署、警政署及所屬部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金—新住民發展基金、警察消防海巡移民空勤人員及協勤民力安全基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金—在校學生獎學基金、劉竹琛先生警察子女獎學基金、誠園獎學基金。七、審查內政部函送財團法人臺灣省義勇人員安全濟助基金會、財團法人警察學術研究基金會、財團法人義勇消防人員安全濟助基金會等3家財團法人115年度預算書案。【警政署、消防署之部分預算另定期以秘密會議進行審查】【預算審查僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年6月15日(星期一)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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好 謝謝有請內政部劉部長 警政署張署長 海委會副主委周偉豪謝謝部長我想今天最重要就是針對這種新興的毒品這種伊托米子過去吸毒 |
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好像要很多工具啦,然後現在因為有這個加熱煙的關係那加熱煙內容物其實就是現在我們全...其實也不只台灣啦,全世界如臨大敵那怎麼樣,包含剛剛很多委員講的,要怎麼樣從源頭來處理源頭處理就跟這個海巡跟海委會有關嘛台灣有沒有辦法產出這個東西 |
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可以台灣有原料嗎?沒有原料,原料大概都是從國外進來的好,那國外進來他會空運還是海運?都有可能現在就這樣子,跟委員報告一下如果空運的話,航警這邊有沒有相關的教育訓練? |
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有,現在就這樣子,因為它的原料就是一多米子酸還有一些二硫酸,這一些有一些是目前沒有列管那我們在6月17號,那個華府的讀審會會把列為管制藥品,那就可以做查禁大家都很擔心啦,那個海委會 |
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海巡人員很辛苦但是到目前為止沒有查緝過相關的這些源頭對不對跟委員報告因為我們查的現在都是內陸內陸部那因為醫生說米子酸以前是內陸部沒有沒有我意思是說暗巡有沒有 |
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我們113人到現在已經查了56案 依托彌子的案子264公斤的依托彌子依托彌子 所以就是走由漁船進來嗎不是 陸路 都是陸地的都是陸路我們現在還沒有發現從漁船走是進來 |
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因為原來的依托米子酸是沒有劣管的它是可以合法進來的依托米子酸原料它是液體還是粉末它是一個化學的粉末那我們現在的海巡人員有辦法辨識這個化學粉末嗎 |
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因為6月17號才要開會把它列為四級毒品所以我們只要查到的話我們就我們有我們自己有實驗室可以去我們現在可以先把它在6月17以前可以如果看到這個東西的話可以先扣留嗎 |
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我們會用指導的技巧先把它扣留所以今天開始就要我們本來就是這樣做現在就有扣留嗎它只要是跟我們查獲的案件有相關的這些證物包括化學品我們都會把它扣留現在就有扣留嗎已經有扣留 本來就扣留現在上一次1月份查到的我們扣留230幾公斤的化學原料 |
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好,我們要從源頭啦,今天我們排的這個專案報告包含毒價但是我認為毒價跟酒價其實是一樣可惡但是最重要的是毒品一定要在社會上消失啊那這也是為什麼法務部為什麼矯正署現在在收容的這些裡面最多的樣態是什麼,是毒品 |
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那我們也希望毒品可以消失那怎麼樣消失就是要靠我們執法單位包含把源頭斷掉包含警政署要把這些相關的可能這些可能涉及的這些吸毒的人口把它斷掉現在太可怕過去你吸毒你知道這是毒品過去這些可能煙毒犯他知道是毒品現在正在台灣發生現在正在我們的很多 |
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有人錄影錄下來的這些吸毒的樣態其實他可能不知道那是毒品欸署長 |
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署長他可能不知道那是毒品那宣導的部分其實在去年度其實警政署的預算宣導的預算也有被刪除我們等一下今天雖然沒有審議預算但是今天是預算報告那我們希望內政部包含警政署把這一件工作當成最重要最重要的工作是的我先表達我會支持這個媒體宣傳的費用的預算署長我們還可以做什麼 |
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我覺得就是說這個要讓民眾知道說尤其就是現在盛行的衣托米紙他最主要是運用那個電子煙的這個工具來做吸食所以要讓民眾知道如果路上比如說我們的員警看到人家使用電子煙的話你會採取什麼方式要查看 |
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所以電子煙全部查過嗎?路上啊?對獨駕是不是?沒有他使用電子煙的話電子煙現在是管制的這個東西那現在目前持有的部分是還沒有處罰的規定那會不會已經要把他納入做處罰的規定因為那防治法要做處罰 |
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那在製造販賣或者是吸食有沒有可能電子菸的部分跟這個我們的拖曳快篩的部分就可以結合那相關的比例警政署要怎麼樣調整 |
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那電子煉的部分是在衛福部那地方在做管制那我們查的這個獨家的部分有一些他電子煉是沒有放在車那吸完之後才來開車所以兩個部分都要去做執行因為電子煉是加那個伊托米子 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
374.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
398.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
也不是點很多大概一兩滴而已那簡單來講這個伊東米子它叫做喪屍煙彈它很快就是會喪屍這個精神的情形大概十分鐘以內而且它很快就會退了大概是在75分鐘左右就會退了對所以75分鐘以後可能就驗不到了有可能有可能所以有時候就是說很明顯可以看得到如果說 |
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399.978 |
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428.375 |
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他這個喪屍的這些的這個狀態很容易可以辨別很容易可以辨別他是不是有沒有吸食這個乙酮米質可是還是很難防範啦我希望檢測署還是要有一套方法我們有這一個就是一個SOP的流程不管是在檢測觀察都有這個SOP的流程來做這樣的一個瞭解他是不是有沒有吸食毒米 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
428.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
444.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
好,請交通部請交通部時間稍微暫停一下,謝謝好,謝謝你支不支持獨駕馬上扣車 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
446.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
463.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
支持好那我們就朝這個方向來做獨駕有獨駕的這個行為或者是預防性的扣車跟酒駕一樣我們全力支持好不好是我們支持我們會朝這個方向來做修好那我們現在要修什麼如果要以道交條例35條的話獨駕如果署長那個先請張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
470.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
495.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
如果現在6月17號我們現在要討論嘛對不對那是對原料的部分好6月17以後現在開始啦不要說6月17現在開始如果有吸毒被抓到的能不能馬上扣他的駕照扣駕照現在就是人啦人的部分逮捕羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
497.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
501.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
車扣 扣駕照那未來如果說你依據什麼依據什麼扣駕照 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
504.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
526.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個是毒駕就扣駕照沒有駕我現在講的是吸毒喔那未來如果沒有開車抓到吸毒的部分會分為一級毒品二級毒品跟三級毒品四級毒品分級來做對於駕照的調控或註銷的相關規定交通部有在做這樣的一個處理好謝謝最後請劉部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
531.912 |
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549.408 |
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我們是不是可以朝這個方向如果有抓到吸食毒品的現在開始我們先取消他的駕照讓他不能上路對 非常謝謝委員其實在兩個禮拜前我也是按照這樣的方向我希望因為吸食毒品的當下他其實已經喪失自己的心神再讓他駕車的話反而更危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
551.75 |
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570.906 |
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所以不管是車或者是駕照我覺得都要施行這個扣或者是那個留的這個動作那有一部分呢是我們的警察警政同仁在第一線就可以處理那另外一部分的話呢我們還是要依賴這個道路交通處罰條例要修法那如果修法過的話我想我們警政同仁會馬上全面實行好謝謝劉部長來最後請交通部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
573.687 |
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596.193 |
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我跟委員報告一下剛才劉部長講的在修法的那個方向是我們未來一定會做的然後在修法之前剛才有一直特別提到如果只單純的吸毒沒有架的話那這一部分我們會修改我們的道路交通安全規則然後我們會在接獲這個吸食或試用毒品的這種通知了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
596.733 |
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613.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們就會通知該汽車駕駛人來做換照然後會加註附條件駕照的一個附條件那他如果沒有然後來換照如果他沒有來換照或做相關的讀引戒指以後我們是不發給他駕照的那這樣他就沒辦法繼續開車那他如果開車當然就有處罰條例21條的規定會予以處罰還有末路車輛是是是好 謝謝 謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:08.733000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:08.733000+08:00 |
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謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:08.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:15.738000+08:00 |
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有請內政部劉部長、警政署張署長、海委會副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:15.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:20.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
召委好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:20.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:24.523000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:24.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:51.210000+08:00 |
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我想今天最重要是針對這種新興毒品「依托咪酯」，過去吸毒好像要很多工具，現在因為有加熱菸的關係，加熱菸內容物其實現在我們……也不只有臺灣，全世界都如臨大敵，包含剛剛很多委員有講，要怎麼樣從源頭來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:51.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:55.253000+08:00 |
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源頭處理就跟海委會、海巡署有關嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-03T11:14:56.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-06-03T11:14:59.746000+08:00 |
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臺灣有沒有辦法產出這個東西？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:00.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:01.388000+08:00 |
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臺灣有原料嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:01.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:01.788000+08:00 |
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沒有原料。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:01.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:02.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
原料都從哪裡來？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:02.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:06.812000+08:00 |
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原料大概都是從國外進來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:09.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:12.457000+08:00 |
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如果是國外進來的，它會透過空運，還是海運？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:12.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:13.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
都有可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:13.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:14.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
都有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:14.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:15.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
應該是…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:12.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:12.957000+08:00 |
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對，都有可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:15.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:17.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
現在是這樣子的，跟委員報告一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:18.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:22.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
如果空運的話，針對航警有沒有做相關的教育訓練？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:24.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:43.962000+08:00 |
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因為它的原料，也就是「依托咪酯酸」，還有一些二硫酸，目前有一些是沒有列管，我們在6月17日法務部毒審會會把它列為管制藥品，就可以查禁。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:44.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:45.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
大家都很擔心啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:45.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:46.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
請海委會。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:46.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:50.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:50.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T11:15:57.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
海巡人員很辛苦，但是到目前為止沒有查緝過相關的這些源頭，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T11:15:57.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:03.892000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們現在查緝都是內陸的部分，因為依托咪酯酸，以前是沒有列管……沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:04.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:05.513000+08:00 |
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我意思是，岸巡有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:06.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:12.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我們從113年到現在已經查了56件的依托咪酯案件，有查獲264公斤的依托咪酯。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.586 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:13.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:16.506000+08:00 |
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所以是走漁船進來嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:16.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:18.048000+08:00 |
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不是，都是陸地的。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:18.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:18.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
都是陸路？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:19.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:22.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們現在還沒有發現從漁船走私進來，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:22.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:23.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
為什麼沒有發現？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:22.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:27.516000+08:00 |
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原來的依托咪酯酸是沒有列管的，它是可以合法進來的。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:29.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:33.619000+08:00 |
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原料依托咪酯酸是液體還是粉末？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:33.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:36.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
它是一個化學的粉末。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:38.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:40.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
現在的海巡人員有辦法辨識這個化學粉末嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:42.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:49.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
因為6月17日才要開會，把它列為四級毒品，所以只要查到的話，我們自己有實驗室可以去檢測。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:51.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:55.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
在6月17日以前，如果看到這個東西的話，可以先扣留嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:56.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-06-03T11:16:59.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我們會用執法的技巧先把它扣留，在17日通過以後公告…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-06-03T11:16:59.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:01.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以現在開始就要。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:02.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:03.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我們本來就是這樣做，我們現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:03.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:04.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
現在就有扣留嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:04.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:10.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
它只要跟我們查獲案件有相關的這些證物，包括化學品，都會先把它扣留。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:11.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:11.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
現在就有扣留嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:11.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:14.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
已經有扣留，本來就有扣留。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:14.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:15.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
扣留多少了？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:15.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:20.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
上一次在1月份查到的，我們扣留兩百三十幾公斤的化學原料。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:21.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:23.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我們要從源頭啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:23.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:35.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我們今天排這個專案報告，包含毒駕，但是我認為毒駕跟酒駕其實是一樣可惡，但最重要的是，毒品一定要在社會上消失。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:37.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:44.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
現在在法務部矯正署、在收容裡收容最多的樣態是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:44.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:45.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
是毒品。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:46.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-06-03T11:17:49.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我們也希望毒品可以消失，要怎麼樣消失？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-06-03T11:17:50.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:01.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
就是要靠我們執法單位，包含切斷毒品源頭，包含警政署要把這些相關可能涉及的吸毒人口斷掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:02.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:20.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
現在太可怕了，過去你吸毒，你知道這是毒品，過去這些煙毒犯知道它是毒品，現在正在臺灣發生，現在有人錄影錄下來的這些吸毒樣態，其實他可能不知道那是毒品。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:23.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:31.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
署長，他們可能不知道那是毒品，針對宣導的部分，其實在去年度警政署宣導的預算也有被刪除。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:32.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:44.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們等一下……今天雖然沒有審議預算，是做預算報告，我們希望內政部包含警政署，把這一件工作當成最重要、最重要的工作。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:44.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:48.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我先表達我會支持媒體宣傳費用的預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:49.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-06-03T11:18:51.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
署長，你們還可以做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-06-03T11:18:53.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:07.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我覺得就是要讓民眾知道……尤其現在盛行的依托咪酯，最主要是應用電子煙這個工具來吸食，所以要讓民眾知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:09.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:14.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
電子煙要全面……比如說，員警如果在路上看到人家使用電子煙，會採取什麼方式？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.656 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:15.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:15.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
要查扣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:20.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以電子煙全部查扣嗎？路上？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:20.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:21.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
毒駕是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:21.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:24.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
沒有，他使用電子煙的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:24.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:43.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
電子煙現在是管制品，目前持有的部分還沒有處罰的規定，但是衛福部已經要把它納入菸害防制法的處罰規定，在製造、販賣或者是吸食…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:43.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:44.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
有沒有可能啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:45.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:51.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
有沒有可能電子煙的部分跟唾液快篩的部分可以結合？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.652 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:51.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-06-03T11:19:53.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
相關的比例，警政署要怎麼樣調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-06-03T11:19:55.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:17.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
電子煙的部分是衛福部在管制，我們查的是毒駕部分，有一些是電子煙沒有放在車上，他是吸完才來開車，所以兩個部分都要去執行，因為電子煙是加依托咪酯，也不是點很多，大概點一、兩滴而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.823 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:19.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:26.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
簡單來講，依托咪酯叫做喪屍煙彈，很快就會讓人有喪失精神的情形，大概在10分鐘以內。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:26.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:27.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
而且它很快就驗不到了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.154 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:27.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:31.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
它很快就會退了，大概是在75分鐘左右就會退了。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:32.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:34.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
對，所以75分鐘以後可能就驗不到了，包括唾液快篩…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:34.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:49.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
有可能、有可能，所以就是很明顯可以看得到，精神喪失的狀態很容易可以辨別、很容易可以辨別是不是有吸食依托咪酯。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:52.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:54.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
可是還是很難防範啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:54.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-06-03T11:20:56.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我希望警政署還是要有一套方法，除了…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-06-03T11:20:57.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-06-03T11:21:10.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我們有一個SOP流程，不管是在檢測、觀察，都有SOP流程來了解他是不是有吸食毒品。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-06-03T11:21:12.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-06-03T11:21:12.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
請交通部。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-06-03T11:21:15.432000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:24.765000+08:00 |
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時間稍微暫停一下，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:24.765000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:24.765000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0.333 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:25.106000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:28.177000+08:00 |
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你支不支持毒駕馬上扣車？支持。 |
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0.923 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:28.938000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:31.019000+08:00 |
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好，我們就朝這個方向來做。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:32.821000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:38.605000+08:00 |
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有毒駕的行為或者是預防性的扣車，跟酒駕一樣，我們全力支持，好不好？ |
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0.966 |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:39.205000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:41.927000+08:00 |
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是，我們支持，我們會朝這個方向來修法。 |
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0.938 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:42.127000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:43.788000+08:00 |
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那現在要修什麼？ |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:44.349000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:45.349000+08:00 |
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以道交條例第三十五條的話，毒駕如果……先請張署長。 |
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0.762 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:54.516000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:57.138000+08:00 |
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6月17日要討論嘛，對不對？ |
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0.889 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:57.138000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:58.138000+08:00 |
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如果6月17日以後…… |
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0 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:21:57.138000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:00.300000+08:00 |
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那是先驅原料……是對原料的部分。 |
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0.615 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:01.821000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:05.523000+08:00 |
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好，6月17日以後……現在開始啦，不要說6月17日！ |
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0.867 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:05.903000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:10.826000+08:00 |
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現在開始，如果吸毒被抓到，能不能馬上扣他的駕照？ |
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1 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:12.367000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:12.868000+08:00 |
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扣駕照。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:12.868000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:13.868000+08:00 |
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扣駕照？ |
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0 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:13.868000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:14.868000+08:00 |
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扣駕照。 |
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0 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:13.468000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:21.819000+08:00 |
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現在就是人的部分逮捕、羈押，扣車、扣駕照，未來如果交通部有再研議…… |
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0.714 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:22.800000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:23.160000+08:00 |
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依據什麼扣駕照？ |
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1 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:26.806000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:27.546000+08:00 |
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毒駕就扣駕照啊！就是…… |
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0.667 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:29.728000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:31.510000+08:00 |
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沒有駕、沒有駕，我現在講的是吸毒喔！ |
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0.8 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:31.510000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:33.311000+08:00 |
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抓到吸毒喔！ |
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0 |
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張署長榮興 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:33.311000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:48.084000+08:00 |
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未來如果被抓到吸毒而沒有開車，就吸毒的部分，會分為一級毒品、二級毒品、三級毒品、四級毒品分級來做，對於駕照的註銷或吊扣的相關規定，交通部有在做處理。 |
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0.848 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:48.384000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:48.664000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:48.664000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:48.984000+08:00 |
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最後請劉部長。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:53.912000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:55.614000+08:00 |
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我們是不是可以朝這個方向？ |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:22:56.474000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:02.260000+08:00 |
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如果抓到吸食毒品的，現在開始，我們先取消他的駕照，讓他不能上路。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:03.040000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:03.901000+08:00 |
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對，非常謝謝委員。 |
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1 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:03.901000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:11.408000+08:00 |
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其實在兩個禮拜前，我也是按照這樣的方向，因為吸食毒品的當下，他其實已經喪失自己的心神，再讓他駕車的話反而更危險。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:13.750000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:32.026000+08:00 |
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所以，不管是車或者是駕照，我覺得都要施行扣或留的動作，有一部分是我們的警政同仁在第一線就可以處理，另外一部分還是要依賴道路交通管理處罰條例的修法，如果修法通過的話，我們警政同仁會馬上全面實行。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.955 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:32.346000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:32.526000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝劉部長。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:32.526000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:32.906000+08:00 |
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最後請交通部次長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:35.687000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:40.788000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，剛才劉部長講的修法方向是我們未來一定會做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:41.289000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:50.411000+08:00 |
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在修法之前，剛才有一直特別提到，如果只是單純的吸毒而沒有駕駛行為的話，這一部分我們會修改道路交通安全規則。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:23:52.291000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:13.224000+08:00 |
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在接獲吸食或施用毒品的通報後，我們就會通知該汽車駕駛人來換照，會在駕照加註條件，如果他沒有來換照或進行相關的毒癮戒治，之後我們是不會發給駕照的，他也就沒辦法繼續開車。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:13.304000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:14.164000+08:00 |
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他如果開車，當然就會依處罰條例第二十一條的規定予以處罰。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:14.164000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:15.065000+08:00 |
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還有沒入車輛。是。謝謝。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:15.565000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T11:24:19.279286+08:00 |
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下一位請王鴻薇委員發言質詢。 |
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0 |