| IVOD_ID |
169784 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169784 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T11:32:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T11:44:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125da3d71ba5fe7ebcb5efbe1c17d8a019977c83729728f4ea830a324e446e41dda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:12 - 11:44:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：(6月3日上午9時起)
一、審查「性別平等工作法」修正草案等100案。
(一)委員范雲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員萬美玲等35人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員李彥秀等22人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員許智傑等25人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員吳宗憲等16人擬具「性別平等工作法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
二、審查「就業保險法」修正草案等88案。
(一)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員范雲等17人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員許宇甄等22人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「就業保險法第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員林淑芬等23人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員涂權吉等16人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員王育敏等18人擬具「就業保險法部分條文修正草案」案。
......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)
【綜合詢答，僅詢答】
【第一（一○○）案及第二（八十八）案，如經復議則不予審查】
(6月3日下午2時30分起)
(6月3日若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開)
一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。
二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。
【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,祝主席高票當選 |
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我問你,現在大家都在銷購票、AI、晶片全部參與就業在高科技有多少從業人口?我看一百萬大概一百萬左右,九十到一百萬然後傳統產業千萬萬?當然比較多 |
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那現在這裡的高科技,大家這樣幼小小的,年紀都幾百萬五百、六百、七百、八百 |
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現在很多我們的醫生都不敢做,我們兩個同學都七八八半,要在這裡...我跟妳報告喔,志願醫師他要值班,然後在高科技也要值班,都一樣,但是他值班,他有五百、四百的年薪,他值班一個月十來萬,尤其PGY的都是十萬上下,在台大醫院的PGY九萬塊而已, |
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在彩通華人醫院可以拿到十二、十三萬差很多有關於心理不平衡現在年輕人不像你想的那樣所以這個是很麻煩的事那整個產業失衡那這邊一千多萬都低薪所以你今天在說平等化、性別,都是低薪造成我也有提兩個案 |
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要雙清都請滿才能延長三個月請滿六個月 |
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停滿六個月 要請滿 要請滿六個月所以爸爸媽媽都要六個月 六個月 對啊你如果這個可以簽三個月 才可以多三個月啊這三個月你是多多少 用他投保薪資多多少一樣喔 一樣是八成 八成啊你現在投保薪資現在連的上限到四萬五千多嘛所以我們要把它打開 你就把它調去十萬就好啦 |
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市長你有反對嗎第一個這個投保薪資的上限他會牽涉到因為他除了睡暈留庭給付以外他其實也會是失業給付 |
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他也是會是失業給付的計算的基礎所以我們的確也會需要考慮比方說假如像委員說的達到10萬那六成的失業給付算起來的話他一個月可以拿6萬那他拿6萬是比很多在工作的人還多也就是失業的人可能會拿的比工作的人還多因為現在很多人他的薪資是高於這個4萬多塊嘛 |
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所以投保薪資都高薪低報嘛所以委員我們是覺得4萬多的確這個上限應該要打開可是上限開到哪裡其實會有好幾個因素需要考慮這個我知道啦你現在遷移法動全生投保的部隊那麼龐大怕你打不掉嘛我告訴你現在醫生組織醫師 |
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他一個月 投保 健保 你知道健保被人欺負多少呢 健保是用以前是18萬 現在搞不好更多 市長市長 現在是用多少投保 |
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就是說醫生去投保用健保給他求情,5.25%那是很恐怖的,現在你這邊他每個月都要錄檢討,錄到他要退休,都死了 |
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那四萬幾塊 八百塊 都只剩兩萬幾塊 這差距太大在美國 美國醫師 他如果繳的社保很高他退休之後 他一個月可以領18萬台幣 |
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18萬台幣,也不算多啦,18萬台幣所以如果回到台灣,繼續這個職業,他們如果超過18萬,美國會把他踢走如果要查就要把他踢走所以現在回到台灣,都希望可以兼職,兼職,不要要顧著做這都是技巧啦我現在要講的就是,你現在這個薪資4萬6千多 |
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四五八零零四五八零零你現在想應該有我們應該可以到五萬五萬不是十萬啦齁目標啦 目標十萬啦齁五萬啦 五萬啊所以你要八成還是六成八成因為流停是八成就是說你講津貼喔 津貼是津貼因為流停今天是八成啊現在又過來就是那個 |
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產價是全額8週變12週那4個月那4週是自由決定還是強制各位說明其實是強制12週但是這個孕產媽媽她可以自己決定要不要提前消假她自己決定她可以決定然後雇主不得拒絕 |
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當然啊 趕快回來職場比較好啊有些 因為各個孕產的媽媽她很多身體的狀況會不一樣有一些她需要比較長的恢復期有一些可能覺得她其實身體恢復差不多如果在有專業醫生的確認之下她可以提前回到職場有些她會說她不想要在家裡綁這麼久也有這樣的聲音所以我們這次在設計上面有一個給她自己選擇的選擇選擇權但是雇主 她選擇了 雇主是不可以拒絕的好 |
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所以你現在是兩筆錢都有付就對了?產價是產價,運營流停是運營流停,運營流停是八成,他的投保薪是八成產價是他那四周他的勞工的薪資,前面的八周過去是企業付目前就是企業付,目前八周的產價的薪資就是企業付 |
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那現在是多的這四週他的薪資 請的這個勞工的薪資是由政府來付就是投保薪資的主權不是 他原本的薪資他不是投保薪資產價並不是放在社會保險裡面的他原來的薪資啊對 他原本的薪資你還要10萬你有10萬嗎我們現在就是要就是我們這個薪資的部分我們全國的薪資100%就是要付啊這樣就有差距出來了 |
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所以前8週是僱主要付錢你們不付嘛那後面多出來的4週是你們付他請多少你就付多少僱主付完以後可以來跟我們請您補貼 |
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插額就對了不是插額就是內四周的四周缺額的補貼雇主來申請你不給雇主還是對就是雇主他先把這個薪資給付給這個員工然後他可以來跟我們申請說這個四周的薪資那由政府來補貼好那第二個剛剛講的津貼今天你說三個月那我的提案是提12個月 |
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你說要拿去三個月,你就要他們爸爸媽媽都請六個月過了,待會可以去請一天,這樣嗎?對你不說這樣很麻煩跟文說明,這裡面有個非常非常重要的考量,今天如果我不設任何前提,就把 |
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暈流停的津貼期間給延長的時候很有可能造成的狀況是會大部分都是由女性來請這個照顧責任又集中在女性身上所以我們這一次在制度的設計很重要的一個一個用意就是要鼓勵男性來請這是為什麼我們要兩個爸爸媽媽都請滿六個月才有多的 |
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三个月的原因就是为了这个制度而现在在各个国家在设计育儿友善的职场制度里面都非常强调要更大程度的设计让爸爸来请的幼婴而不是直接我就把6个月变12个月18个月如果这样的话你可以想象 |
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大部分很有可能在職場上面就都是女性必須承擔這個照顧的任務這可能會讓性別不平等的狀況加劇這是我們設計的誘因那最後再回到我剛剛第一個就是說這個產業失衡那這些高所得人都拉高我們的GDP拉高我們的個人平均所得但是這些傳統產業是沒有享受到 |
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你做勞工最高領導人,你有什麼想法要彌補一下因為就差太多了,一天的證交稅可以收到五十幾億,嚇死人 |
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其實現在整個執政的團隊也是非常非常大的成高的程度在考慮我們怎麼用科技業的紅利所得到的國家的稅收來去協助這個更多廣大的基層勞工所以這一次為什麼我們會提出我們現在很多的方案其實我們認為 |
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很多企業如果他負擔的部分我們政府可以幫忙出尤其是對這個中小企業我們可以幫忙出其實某個部分我們就是把科技業他繳稅帶來的紅利希望能夠變成是全民的富利或者是這科技的紅利變成全民或勞工的富利啦所以我們用這個方式來希望來補貼更多育兒友善可能會多出來的支出也讓企業更願意配合 |
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我那天看到美國Amazon就是亞馬遜的老闆就是光頭那個他說貝佐斯嘛齊一個老婆很漂亮那個他說美國的護士年薪是七萬五千塊美金他說年薪七萬五千塊以下的人不用講帥我覺得他很棒啊 |
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我跟他 半夜爬起來跟他拍手齁希望我 表示說美國的護士一年是捏七百五美金一年兩百幾萬所以我們台灣的 大家的薪水都太低了嘛他說七百五千塊年薪以下的人不用繳稅那這樣的話我們在座的很多人都不用繳稅啊你說這是貝佐士的主張嗎對 |
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他說這些營利事業所得稅跟個人所得稅要大幅的增加這樣才是公平公正啦我覺得這樣是對的所以普通人往這個方向來努力啦 |