| IVOD_ID |
169756 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169756 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T10:16:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T10:23:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad0412564700a6055551ab11daf08b7e9b1ad74585712d3831fe5f021b00f39ec1a9b485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:10 - 10:23:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、 繼續審查：
(一) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「土石採取法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員黃仁等36人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等19人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員許智傑等31人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、 審查：
(十一) 行政院函請審議「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 本院委員林倩綺等17人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十四) 本院委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十五) 本院委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十六) 本院委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(第十五及第十六案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【6月3日及6月4日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們有請呂毅林委員質詢謝謝主席 請待次長你要不要先喝口水你先喝口水沒關係好 委員早安次長你先喝口水吧好 謝謝我慢慢來問 |
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次長在去年9月的時候爆發了這個美濃大峽谷這個案子就是不肖業者就是盜採殺死我們沒有強力的那個法我們有法但是我們沒有辦法去嚇阻所以我們才會朝野共識下再修了這個提出土石採石法在這土石採石法第36條裡面有未經許可的話最高法源是1000萬然後有盈利的話 |
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行為最高到五千萬到五年以下的有期徒刑那也要機關如果它有設備的話或者是車輛的話我們也會沒收在這個上面我們朝野都有共識啦經濟部也非常的重視但是本期看來比較務實實在的一個問題就是說因為它造成這個爛財造成了這個大峽谷式的這個大坑洞要把它復原起來那這個違法的這個行為人 |
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他如果沒辦法去恢復的話那我們的機關地方剛剛有提到了就是我們地方政府的話就可以去幫忙他把它復原然後這個費用的話衍生出來這個費用我們再請行為人來負擔這個費用但是行為人在案發時候就開始就脫產然後就跑路了 |
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未來這個衍生出來的這個費用啊地方政府也沒辦法跟他索取的話那最後買單還是我們全民來買單所以我們經濟部這邊有沒有相應的這個機制來讓行為人來付出應有的代價 |
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第一個要遏止這個情形發生事先一定要掌握像我們國家也有服衛的衛星上去它的解析度非常高可以在現行的機制之下早日發現但是委員確實點到一個問題因為我們現行的規定在未修法之前因為我們這個法規只有行政法沒有刑法所以當我們發生事實的時候需要檢察官來幫忙或是法務單位來幫忙它只能用竊盜 |
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他也脫產了他竊盜可是當我們修法的時候其實共同實施的犯罪人他都有這個必須要去所以你現在沒有去檢討討論這個問題嗎我們在所謂的處罰的部分我剛剛已經在報告了不管是地主駕駛或是業者甚至背後教說背後出資者只要犯罪事實偵辦到哪邊他必然要付出相對的代價 |
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市長我說他當然付出代價但是他脫產了沒有財產了又跑路了那未來這個所有衍生出來的任何費用都是我們所有的民眾來買單啊納稅人來買單啊所以你們討論一個機制出來好不好這個 |
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未來我們會透過COP 因為他沒辦法復原嘛那就由機關來做代為復原的工作對不對那這些費用的話都要違法的行為人來負責啊這法官也一定會這樣子判都沒有問題但是沒有辦法讓執行他負責他就已經脫產了 |
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這之前面向上面我會依照委員的指導跟相關部會來討論討論一下要因應著這個機制出來好不好接下來我想請問一下我們有九條斷層的這個地質敏感區域的劃分還未公佈 |
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因為我們在台灣是位處於歐亞這個板塊跟菲律賓海這個板塊的交界是全球地震活動最頻繁的地區之一所以我們台灣有36條那其他的已經陸陸續續公布了從103年陸陸續續全部都公布了還有9條還沒有公布是什麼原因 |
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委員所說明的這個土剛剛左邊這個部分剛好很多都是在都市地區都市地區更要趕快公佈啊你第一次看看有困難嗎不是 它有一個困難是它被事後人為的行為改變地形人為的行為是什麼行為就是建築 |
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所以這就是本席要提的重點要請你們趕快做的是產業跟民眾要正確的掌握這個我們地質的資料才不會影響他們生命財產的安全是不是這樣子所以這九條這麼危險市長都說這個九條就是在市區都會區都會區更重要啊開房子的話挖地基挖得更深啊更危險啊所以你們是不是可以趕快公布出來 |
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這個部分地礦中心每年都有一個計畫在做為什麼甚至9條沒有公布因為這裡面有涉及到 你要判定它是不是所謂的地址領域已經10年了不是叫你馬上公布 給你10年的時間 |
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而且一個都會區這麼危險 你的範圍區域要怎麼蓋房子 包圍 事實上這些除了剛剛次長講的我們要顧慮到有一些新的開發行為之外那另外 我們也要找專家學者 收集科學數據去討論我知道 我是說已經給你們十年的時間了 為什麼還沒有公布出來 |
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這個我們每年都有規劃一條兩條在做新市鎮的收據你們去規劃這個區塊的話一條你要花多久的時間這個 |
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這個都要好幾年好幾年 是所以這九條你們可不可以先趕快的來處理呢我們都有在陸續規劃市長講的都是最危險的都會去我們會請地況中心依照委員的指導看看怎麼樣跟學者來檢討因為你要確定一個地方有斷層他必須要從古老的地質跟地層的結構來做這些都已經確定是有斷層的地方 |
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所以要把你區劃生範圍出來安全的範圍出來要怎麼樣去開發產業到開發的時候要怎麼樣去注意這個安全危險性在哪裡都要去掌握才能夠防範那目前為止的話我們經濟部在配合不管是相關的開發或是大型的建設只要涉及到區劃地方中心也提供專業的意見比如說是環評的部分地方中心會提供所以請盡快好不好尤其是9條 |
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非常危險 都在渡會好 謝謝 謝謝委員知道 |