| IVOD_ID |
169753 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169753 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-03T10:06:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-03T10:16:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad04125dd0005f9392c265f1daf08b7e9b1ad74585712d3831fe5f031f66945a42017395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:21 - 10:16:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、 繼續審查：
(一) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「土石採取法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員黃仁等36人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等19人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員許智傑等31人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、 審查：
(十一) 行政院函請審議「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 本院委員林倩綺等17人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十四) 本院委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十五) 本院委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十六) 本院委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(第十五及第十六案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【6月3日及6月4日二天一次會】） |
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我們有請這個謝玉鳳委員好 謝謝主席 我想請賴市長好 我們請賴市長好 委員好 |
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市長早安我想請教一下就是現在AMD跟Nmedia都計畫在台灣就是說大量的投入那回答也表達說每年對台的採購會1500億那但是他也在 |
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就是暗示說台灣的電力有可能不足喔那我們過去說我們在2034年之前會累積10.2G的燃氣電廠喔那所以在2034年之前半導體還有所有的Data Center的供電都是無餘的嗎請問一下 |
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我們不但是如此我們定常的會去針對未來這個電力的供需可靠度去做一個檢討除了我們工部門之外我們邀請學者專家以今年為例的話我們今年就有四個機組可以上來 |
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你說燃氣的部分嗎對 新增加的電力就5.2GW我們知道半導體的發展突飛猛進所以我們經濟部也擬定了所有的配套的措施針對半導體產業的輔導的部分不管是用研發創新供應鏈這個當然不是委員所諮詢的但是這個經濟部也在做對於所謂的基本條件基礎設施水跟電 |
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的這個部分我們也盤點出來說他的挑戰是如何我們需要如何去應處比如說以電力為例的話除了這10.2G的燃氣機組之外你還有沒有其他的備案那因為他現在回答還不是R1-100的會員嘛那所以他需要電力穩定是優於綠電那我們的綠電目標呢我們的綠電目標有沒有辦法達成 |
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所以这个是我们要提倡二次能源转型的重点所以绿电的部分我们在多元绿电的发展我们除了今年现在已经并网的离岸风电4.67GW之外我们在2030我们更有信心可以达到10GW因为我们在今年3月27也公布了3-3的一个零选 |
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除此之外在離岸風電的一個風場不管是浮動式的風場各式的風場其他的這個綠能比如說太陽能光電太陽能光電的話我們現在併網的是差不多是有15.76左右那地熱的部分也是所以這些都要做深度節能也要做 |
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那所以綠電 你的意思是綠電還會增加當然會增加是 那我是說會不會按照你的目標嘛有沒有辦法按照你的目標達成嗎我們現在基本上我們繼續逐日逐月的再去做現在有沒有辦法超前 達成還超前我們希望朝著這個目標來努力我們積極在努力之中 |
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好那就除了這個部分以外還有這些就是說當輝達跟超微在台灣設廠那個供應鏈的短鏈已經有這樣子的趨勢那物流呢我們對於這些高耗能跟高時效的物流籌備的圓區那在書配店的規劃上面是不是有一些優先擴充的擴容的方案呢有嗎 |
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所以在電網的部分其實台電一直在加速的進行強韌的電網的工作除此之外我們現在去年所推出的除冷或是自發自用我們也希望說未來這個園區透過除冷跟自發自用包括綠電 |
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的這個建立它可以避免說因為它的開發來影響其他周邊的這個需求那除此之外的話對於基礎建設不管是我們的長期的電力的這個需求我們也希望說這一些的這個發展可以就近我們在電源端可以對我們的電網是更加的穩定的所以我們現在有擬定了相關的這個策略比如說以NVIDIA |
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進駐在北市科的部分其實台電很早的就提醒了台北市政府說這個部分可能要儘早在原來的這個土地裡面預留這些方案那我們也跟市政府共同的協調 協調出 |
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它不是電不夠的問題它未來的發展也不能只看它2030它要看它未來長遠的長遠的可能要增加到也許到200多MW左右所以變電所是需要的變電所的土地跟建構的這個形式大家都有共識我們就趕快來 |
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除了台北市以外啦我相信其他縣市也會需要相同的發展因為如果供應鏈的短鏈已經促成的時候就是相關的這個需求一定是與日俱增啊你也是必須要就是說 |
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考量到區域的這個產發署從產業端去來推估說我們的這個算力的需求那能源署從供應端對於電力可靠度和長遠的這個電力的發展我們有相當的疲憊甚至在能源署在最近提出來這個法規的部分包括使用能源的使用效率這些都會搭配起來因為它的用電很多當然我們希望它盡量能解電 |
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367.387 |
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所以這個法規的這個部分對 還有就是說因應這樣子的電網韌性的問題那會做一些調整那我剛還聽到就是說我們未來會發展就是微電網這樣子的一個型態那也希望說在就是說強化電網韌性的時候也希望說對於社區或者是民生的用電那是不是能增強這樣子微電網的相關的就是說就是這樣子的優化的情況 |
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會讓就是說社區在這個電網優化的情況下會導致於就是民生用電的有可能常常遇到就是不足的情況那我相信微電網應該可以調整這樣子的情況是謝謝 我很關心 |
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不論是AI的發展 民眾生活 提升任性的部分除了台電公司的努力之外 我們也期待地方政府的協助因為這個部分需要中央跟地方一起來合作不管是包括土地的變更 還有包括使用行為人因為我們過去在建立微電網徵詢的過程裡面 我們發現說 |
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因為人事的更迭 可能有一些人就不支持舉例來講 因為我們現在建立在學校當校長改換的時候 就不會支持但是縣市所長若是有跟委員一樣的來支持我們的電力的建設的時候這個方向就會鞏固住了在我們的框架之下就可以來建立我們所謂的強韌的電網 |
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好那最後不好意思稍微我再一個問題就是土石採取法的這個今天的相關修法那未來行政院把那個限期整復的職權由得改成因那這其實雖然說展現我們政府的決心但是我們也必須考量地方政府在財政跟量能不足的情況下導致廠子沒有辦法在黃金時間內能夠完整修復 |
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那所以本次你們你們的行政院的版本以及經濟部的版本是強化環境恢復嗎那所以除了要求地方執法外是不是有配套的相關的跨部會的協助機制或者是專案啊你才能夠協助就是地方政府處理這種高難度的這個就是帶旅行整複的作業是不是這個 |
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第一個謝謝委員關心因為我們現在對於所謂的盜亂財的部分我們希望說趕快希望把它恢復阿佛市說你照地方政府的量現在也不足對那委員就點出那個問題所在為什麼說沒有辦法去整復因為所謂的整復的規範不一農業發展條例裡面有相關的規定但是我們這一次藉由這次的修法把整復的規定然後未來我們經濟部地方中心會跟 |
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中央各部會來去訂定所有適合的原來附存的土壤之外適合整戶的土壤進來那這樣子裝法專用對於整戶是有幫助的 |
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對你應該要協助地方政府嘛因為他們畢竟沒有相當的人力來做這樣子的那個那你如果就是說你如果希望他們把統一標準把它定起來然後你又把德改成英的時候那是不是也應該要就是說有更好更完整的配套好不好好謝謝 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-06-03T10:06:22.029000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:23.330000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我想請賴次長。 |
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0.9 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:23.330000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:23.670000+08:00 |
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好，我們請賴次長。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-06-03T10:06:23.950000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:36.793000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:47.113000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:06:47.273000+08:00 |
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次長早安。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-06-03T10:06:47.913000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:07:10.794000+08:00 |
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我想請教一下，現在AMD跟NVIDIA都計畫在臺灣大量投入，輝達也表達每年對臺的採購會達1,500億，但是他也暗示臺灣的電力有可能不足。 |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-06-03T10:07:11.694000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:07:28.845000+08:00 |
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過去我們說在2034年之前會累積10.2 GW的燃氣電廠，所以在2034年之前，半導體還有所有Data Center的供電都是無虞的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.923 |
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賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-06-03T10:07:31.066000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-06-03T10:07:46.946000+08:00 |
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對，不但是如此，我們定常會針對未來電力供需可靠度做檢討，除了我們公部門之外，我們也邀請學者專家，以今年為例，我們今年就有四個機組可以上來…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-06-03T10:07:47.929000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-06-03T10:07:49.429000+08:00 |
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你說燃氣的部分嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:07:49.429000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:08:07.615000+08:00 |
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對，新增加的電力就有5.2 GW，我們知道半導體的發展突飛猛進，所以我們經濟部也擬定了所有的配套措施，針對半導體產業的輔導部分，我們也研發創新供應鏈。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.939 |
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賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:07.615000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:08:11.616000+08:00 |
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這個當然不是委員所質詢的，但是這個部分經濟部也在做。 |
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0.875 |
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賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:12.317000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:08:23.500000+08:00 |
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對於所謂的基本條件、基礎設施，也就是水跟電的部分，我們也盤點出來它的挑戰是如何，我們需要如何去應處。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:23.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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2026-06-03T10:08:25.080000+08:00 |
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比如以電力為例的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:25.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-06-03T10:08:29.782000+08:00 |
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對，除了這10.2 GW的燃氣機組之外，你還有沒有其他的備案？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:30.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-06-03T10:08:39.624000+08:00 |
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因為現在輝達還不是RE100的會員，所以他需要電力穩定是優於綠電，那我們的綠電目標呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:39.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-06-03T10:08:41.445000+08:00 |
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我們的綠電目標有沒有辦法達成？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-06-03T10:08:43.234000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:09:22.864000+08:00 |
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所以這是我們要提倡二次能源轉型的重點，綠電能的部分，我們在多元綠電的發展，除了今年已經併網了離岸風電4.67 GW之外，我們在2030年更有信心可以達到10 GW，我們在今年3月27日也公布了3-3期的遴選；除此之外，離岸風電的風場，不管是浮動式的風場、各式的風場，其他的綠能，比如太陽能光電，我們現在併網了差不多有15.76左右，地熱的部分也是。 |
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0.806 |
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賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:23.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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2026-06-03T10:09:26.766000+08:00 |
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所以這些都要做，深度節能也要做，以今年為例…… |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:28.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:31.030000+08:00 |
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所以你的意思是綠電還會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:31.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:32.391000+08:00 |
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當然會增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:32.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:35.373000+08:00 |
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是，我是說會不會按照你的目標？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:35.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:37.255000+08:00 |
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有沒有辦法按照你的目標達成？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:39.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:42.779000+08:00 |
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基本上我們是逐日、逐月地去做…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:43.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:44.541000+08:00 |
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過去是落後嘛，現在有沒有辦法達成甚至超前？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:44.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:46.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
你這樣的意思是有辦法超前嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.154 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:46.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:47.723000+08:00 |
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我們希望朝著這個目標來努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:47.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:48.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
你現在的意思是有沒有辦法超前？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:47.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-06-03T10:09:48.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我們積極在努力之中。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-06-03T10:09:54.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-06-03T10:10:08.332000+08:00 |
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好，除了這個部分以外，當輝達跟超微在臺灣設廠，已經有供應鏈短鏈的趨勢，那物流呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-06-03T10:10:08.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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2026-06-03T10:10:23.315000+08:00 |
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我們對於這些高耗能跟高時效的物流籌備的園區，在輸配電的規劃上面是不是有一些優先擴容的方案？有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-06-03T10:10:24.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-06-03T10:10:48.161000+08:00 |
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在電網的部分，其實台電一直在加速進行強韌電網的工作，除此之外，我們在去年推出儲能或是自發自用，我們也希望未來這個園區透過儲能跟自發自用，包括綠電的建立，可以避免因為它的開發而影響到其他周邊的需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.923 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:10:48.941000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:11:44.297000+08:00 |
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除此之外，對於基礎建設，包括我們的長期電力需求，我們也希望這些發展可以就近在電源端讓我們的電網更加穩定，所以我們現在有擬定了相關策略，比如NVIDIA進駐北士科的部分，其實台電很早就提醒臺北市政府可能要儘早在原來的土地裡面預留這一些方案，我們也跟市政府共同協調，因為它不是電不夠的問題，且未來的發展也不能只看到2030，要看未來更長遠的，長遠的可能要增加到也許兩百多MW左右，所以變電所是需要的，變電所的土地跟建構的形式大家都有共識，我們就趕快來處理。 |
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0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:11:44.857000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:03.652000+08:00 |
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除了臺北市以外，我相信其他縣市也會需要相同的發展，因為如果供應鏈的短鏈已經促成的時候，相關的需求一定是與日俱增，你也必須要考量到區域的…… |
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1 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:05.493000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:24.445000+08:00 |
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對，產發署從產業端來推估我們算力的需求，能源署從供應端對電力可靠度做長遠的電力發展我們有相當的準備，甚至能源署在最近提出的法規部分，包括能源的使用效率，這些都會搭配起來。 |
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0.937 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:24.445000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:30.628000+08:00 |
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因為它的用電很多，當然我們也希望它儘量能節電，所以這個法規的部分我們都已經鋪陳了。 |
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0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:31.528000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:41.770000+08:00 |
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對，還有就是說，因應這樣的電網韌性問題會做一些調整，我剛才聽到的是我們未來會發展微電網的型態嘛……對。 |
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0.911 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:41.910000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:53.033000+08:00 |
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也希望在強化電網韌性的時候，對於社區或者是民生用電方面是不是也能增強微電網的相關優化…… |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:56.014000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:56.014000+08:00 |
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絕對會這樣。 |
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0.4 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:12:59.155000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:13.468000+08:00 |
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不會讓社區在電網優化的情況下，導致民生用電可能常遇到不足的情況，我相信微電網應該可以調整這樣的情況吧？ |
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0.958 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:13.468000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:34.594000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝委員關心，不論是AI的發展或是民眾的生活，提升韌性的部分，除了台電公司的努力之外，我們也期待地方政府的協助啦，因為這個部分需要中央跟地方一起來合作，包括土地的變更，還包括使用行為人。 |
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0.907 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:35.194000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:43.718000+08:00 |
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我們過去在建立微電網的徵詢過程裡面，我們發現因為人事的更迭，可能有一些人就會不支持。 |
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0.949 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:44.439000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:51.005000+08:00 |
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舉例來講，比如說我們現在建立在學校，當校長改換的時候，這個就不會支持。 |
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0.839 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:13:51.225000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:05.241000+08:00 |
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但是縣市首長若是有跟委員一樣的來支持我們的電力建設的時候，這個方向就會鞏固住了，在我們的框架之下就可以建立所謂強韌的電網。好。 |
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0.983 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:06.482000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:34.621000+08:00 |
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不好意思，召委，我再問一個問題，就是有關今天審查的土石採取法，未來行政院把限期整復的職權由「得」改成「應」，雖然展現了我們政府的決心，但是我們也必須考量地方政府在財政跟量能不足的情況下，導致場址沒有辦法在黃金時間內能夠完整修復。 |
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0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:35.981000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:51.146000+08:00 |
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本次你們行政院以及經濟部的版本是強化環境恢復嘛，所以除了要求地方執法外，是不是有配套的、相關的、跨部會的協助機制或者是專案？ |
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0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:14:51.926000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:01.028000+08:00 |
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這樣才能夠協助地方政府處理這種高難度、代履行的整復作業，是不是？ |
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0.793 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:03.964000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:13.586000+08:00 |
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第一個，謝謝委員關心，因為我們現在對於所謂盜濫採的部分，我們希望趕快把它回復，回復的話…… |
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0.821 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:14.126000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:16.387000+08:00 |
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對，不過你知道地方政府的量能現在也不足嘛！ |
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0.632 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:16.867000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:20.787000+08:00 |
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對，委員點出了問題所在，為什麼沒有辦法去整復？ |
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0.95 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:20.787000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:44.888000+08:00 |
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因為所謂整復的規範不一啦，農業發展條例裡面有相關的規定，但是我們藉由這次的修法，就整復的規定，未來我們經濟部地礦中心會跟中央各部會去訂定所有適合的……原來復存的土壤之外，適合整復的土壤進來，這樣子專法專用，對於整復是有幫助的。 |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:45.617000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:55.241000+08:00 |
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對，你應該要協助地方政府，因為他們畢竟沒有相當的人力來做這樣的……你如果希望他們…… |
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1 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:55.241000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:56.962000+08:00 |
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把統一標準訂定起來。 |
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0.889 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-06-03T10:15:56.962000+08:00 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:04.164000+08:00 |
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對，然後你又把「得」改成「應」的時候，是不是也應該要有更好、更完整的配套，好不好？ |
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0.906 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:04.664000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:07.806857+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員指導，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0.273 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:08.106857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:10.106857+08:00 |
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謝謝謝衣鳯委員。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:10.406857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-06-03T10:16:13.835429+08:00 |
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接下來有請呂玉玲委員質詢。 |
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0 |