| IVOD_ID |
169702 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169702 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T11:37:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T11:55:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c367db9e75495239b25981455702707f530b77815697e441d1b48ec77dcdb8ffec4c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:03 - 11:55:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
(一)委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「國民體育法第二條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員葉元之等18人擬具「國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員游顥等16人擬具「國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員林楚茵等16人擬具「國民體育法第二條、第三條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員羅智強等16人擬具「國民體育法第二條、第三條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國民體育法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員陳秀寳等21人擬具「國民體育法第二條、第三條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
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請尋答主席好 麻煩請次長有請次長 |
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市長好請問一下今天那個李洋部長是為什麼沒來因為我們不願辦我們一級高階主管的共事營一階主管共事營所以他去了你不去這樣子因為你要來那但是他就可以不用來 |
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就是因為在不允許業務分工我覺得運動部好像每次常常部長都部長都常不來我不知道為什麼常常都部長好像很久來一次運動部好像通常都是次長代表李洋部長好像因為這個業務平時就是我在不是啊一般那其他委員會是不是也部長都不用來就找那個相關負責的次長就好了嘛所以是不是主席下次是不是可以多一點機會請部長來跟大家 |
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跟大家互動啦 好不好 書記多一點 對啊好像運動部特別都是次長代表我們要見到部長都蠻困難的這個會期部長有來過啦 業務報告對啊 就很少來嘛就相較於其他委員會部會的首長因為今天是排審部分條文啦所以有通往一樣啦 其他的委員會如果是審條文也通往都是都是部長啦 主委那我們會來 |
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未來按照葉元之委員的訴求建議啦建議啦對我們會來盡量爭取因為畢竟次長不是部長啦是對啊我們還是希望多多不是說次長不好啦不是對不是那個意思我了解但是我們更希望看到部長對對對因為其他委員會通常像今天衛黃委員會開會衛福部長就有來啊 |
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他們也是在討論施治政的條例也沒有說因為是條例所以就請施治政的次長來也沒有部長也都來我相信每個部會的首長都很忙但不知道為什麼運動部部長就特別忙來的機會就比較少我也不懂那次長跟你請教一下我記得好像我在別的委員會也有跟你討論到體育班的問題我不知道你記不記得 |
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那這個前幾天剛好有一個前也算是民進黨裡面的閣員張景森也看了監察院的報告之後也希望說趕快廢除體育班那監察院有指出一個問題就是體育班這個事情到底是屬於運動部還是教育部呢這兩個就踢皮球然後我看運動部的回應是說還會繼續找教育部來討論就是怎麼樣也不會自己做決定了就是要找教育部來討論 |
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那教育部可能又說因為這個牽涉到運動要找運動部反正不知道現在到底是怎麼樣那時候我跟妳建議我記得我有跟妳建議過幾件事第一個事情是 |
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第一個因為我們的體育班他們有的要去比賽他的賽事就太密集了沒有一個可以休息的節奏所以讓那些學生們不斷在練習不斷在練習第一個增加受傷的可能嘛受傷也沒有一個有機會休息的空間然後第二個就是影響到他學習所以確實就是有一些數據顯示他們在某部分的學歷是比一般的學生比較差一點點 |
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所以可能才會有這個訴求啦所以要把運動班是不是體育班把它廢掉把它回歸到一般的學習班級然後那其實假設今天你可以解決那個賽制的問題或者是你可以兼顧到學生學習的話體育班要不要廢其實還可以再討論可是在體育班還沒有廢之前我剛提到的那些問題到底上次跟你提好像也半年了吧 |
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你那時候好像也說你知道這個問題不知道你記不記得我們曾經有這個對話記得嗎那經過半年的到底進展是如何這半年以來我們其實真的是持續的跟教育部在做溝通因為體育班本身它是在學校裡所以教育部對這件事情它是 |
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它是應該是在教育上面它是主管機關我們運動部現階段扮演的角色我們跟教育部有共識就是有關於體育班的教學跟師資跟課程這一切都是教育部主責有關於訓練上面的資源外加的資源上面這個由運動部來主責 |
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這是在兩個現階段在體育班的分工上面有一個初步的共識但是因為體育班不是那麼單純說我廢或純的問題他有非常多的意見那上次跟您提到的賽期也就是運動季節這件事情他需要長時間來做因為 |
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未來的兩年的比賽都已經規劃了等於是你又把問題我們又再重複了一遍嘛我現在的跟你溝通的重點是我們都知道問題在哪裡可是沒有進展啊 |
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如果說你認為體育班這東西要不要廢還很久而且要教育部來處理你們運動部只是密切聯繫好像這個是跟你們比較不是組織單位那你也要大聲講出來嘛請教育部快一點啊對不對然後第二個如果說今天體育班沒有辦法廢而我們也發現說因為賽季的安排會造成一些問題那賽季你就要趕快去溝通啊不能說可能半年了再半年再半年我可能明年後年我們來問你 |
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你還是說這個不是那麼快不是那麼快那這個議題根本大家都在空談所以東西要有進度而且你也認同這個有問題會造成學生問題你不能說小一學生加入體育班然後有問題搞不好他畢業你都還沒處理好我們這不能接受 |
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所以你是不是可以定一個期程出來問到底什麼時候針對這件事情會有一個比較明確的做法或者是做個調整你自己理想的時間是什麼時候我很抱歉我沒辦法在這邊跟我委員報告說我下個月就一定要做不可能的事情因為這牽涉到學生賽制跟社會賽制 |
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我們不是第一次來問這個問題如果第一次你聽到這個議題你說很抱歉我覺得我可以接受啦但這個議題已經很久了我知道已經很久如果每一次都問都是這種答案就代表你們沒有在做你們就是在拖我們有持續的在討論這件事那什麼時候 |
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如果說是新的議題我也不會這樣為難如果今天我拋一個新的議題大家沒聽過都可以研議一下是不是兩個月三個月後給我們一個報告通常都是這樣但這個議題大家已經講很久了然後你還講說我沒辦法給個時程那就代表你根本沒有決心要做這個事啊 |
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你們如果有決心做這個事的話一定會有個其成出來啊還是說你只是這個是一個話題反正大家討論完就沒事了這個我沒有辦法接受我沒有辦法接受所以我希望部長來嘛因為次長也覺得我沒有受到部長的授權啊我怎麼可以隨便講呢對不對那如果次長來回答問題都是這樣的態度的話那其實這樣的對談有什麼意義咧所以什麼時間什麼時間 |
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會有一個進展我們現在在做的是一個體育班的一個轉型計畫真的是一年一年慢慢的走一年一年慢慢的走所以明年會走到怎麼樣 |
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現階段我們是大量的在收集外部的一些意見還在收集當中收集意見要收集幾年應該是在下個月就可以完成第一個階段的收集意見所以還有第二個階段的收集意見因為對象不一樣然後什麼時候會完成第二階段的收集意見不知道 |
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跟委員報告因為我們現在上半年度已經針對我們已經辦了三場的座談會就是針對你直接跟我講你比如說你有收集意見階段嘛你有溝通階段你有什麼階段你有什麼階段你的期程是什麼時候要完成這件事情不用把一直在講流程什麼時候要完成這件事情嘛因為這大家講很久了嘛可以容許我們回去整理完之後給你一個書面報告好嗎 |
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又要 那這個又不是新的東西 為什麼每次都這樣子是因為部長沒來嗎你們是都對啊 次長如果說每次來都不能夠回答問題然後你又 然後那這樣子又又沒有一個什麼答案啊那下次是不是主席還是請部長來一下 拜託一下那次長都這樣子回答問題啊 |
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因為轉型計劃是今年才開始你有計劃嘛 那你計劃就有時程嘛你就跟我講你的時程到什麼時候嘛我們長期的轉型計劃會做到三四年三四年所以三四 你這個監察院糾正體育班這個東西三四年你可以把它完成就對了是不是這個意思目前是這樣子規劃那三四年可以達到怎麼樣轉型 |
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我們會先從國小這個地方開始做起也就是說我們認為小孩子不應該太好了好了我這邊講別的議題那個主席我很快的建議幾件事第一個有一些這個足球界的這個家長建議說是不是可以運動部輔導足協建立一個台灣青年的這個足球球員的登錄系統 |
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這個現在足協它是有一個登錄系統有報名的系統但是沒有培育的履歷那可是國外呢通通都有履歷它的這些履歷呢數位履歷包括比如說身份啊它的專屬ID基本資料所屬球隊或轉隊紀錄等等或一些比賽的數據比如說出賽的紀錄啊它的進球的助攻啊守門的數據等等 |
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還有就是記錄一些他的健康與成長好像他可能受傷的記錄啊或體能的數據啊身高體重的成長曲線等等那這是為什麼呢這是因為國外都有這個東西那很多這個喜歡踢足球他甚至他想要在足球這邊發光發熱的我們的小朋友啊 |
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他們當然國外比較有機會嘛所以他們就大概在18歲可能就會出國可是其他的國家因為有這個數位履歷所以他們未來的教練或者他們要比賽的的一些單位都很快知道他們過去的的一些數據所以很容易就接軌但我們因為沒有所以可能他們別的教練要重新測試測試時間要花得比較長也會然後可能也會讓他們錯失一些比較好的發展機會那所以這個部分有沒有可能 |
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這個運動員的履歷這件事情是我們正在發展當中我們現階段正在開發的是棒球的我們依照美國大聯盟的那個標準就是有一個Program叫做Pret Baseball它對於運動員的基本能力棒球的一些素質都有清楚的一個系統台灣正在建構這樣的一個系統足球接下來我在講足球你要扯到棒球去我知道我的意思是說系統要一個一個來 |
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那足球我們可以來做這樣的補充為什麼系統要一個個來所以你們是同一批人先做棒球然後做完棒球再做足球我們需要先把model建立好之後後續才會比較好做沒有啦你這是不同的協會嘛棒前跟足前是不同的單位為什麼要做一個系統還要棒球做完再做足球我們在資訊開發上面需要先做一個先行我們把那個做出來之後後面的就會快了 |
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我是不懂說這個技術是怎麼樣是高科技是怎麼樣的高科技國外都有啊我們還要自己研發喔大圓模型喔要做不做的問題而已啊這個東西國外通通都有了這又不是什麼了不起的新技術還要說我們棒球先測試看看測試OK我再去應用在足球上面怎麼會這樣回答問題呢這個當中還有非常多各自保護的問題我們曾經試過有些人就不願意被測 |
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不是我們單方面說你來玩球而已國外就可以啊我們就是寸步難行哎呀你們要做一件事情啊都有一百個方法啦不願意做一千個理由啦那所以你現在是要等到棒球做完之後你再做是不是我們可以開始來規劃那所以棒球就沒有個資的問題了一樣一樣都有所以我非常的困難那什麼事情運動部成立之後就變得好困難喔運動部新的單位然後做什麼都一堆困難 |
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其他國外就沒有困難我們就很有困難所以你現在意思是怎麼樣等到棒球測試會不會成功才要做羽球我們會開始的研議足球因為其實建立運動員的好了 沒關係我把這個民眾的反應提供給你啦但是你今天的回應大家都看到運動部這種態度啦再一個就是羽協的選舉很激烈理事長選舉很激烈兩邊都有人在檢舉 |
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有一個是前理事長陳俊朗就說有很多人頭的會員忽然增加然後開會率也很低這個市長知道這事嗎知道那怎麼這個有沒有問題現階段我們已經要求那個協會提供所有會員的資料我們要去比對會員的部分是不是誠如現在指控上面這些現象 |
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那如果有的話會怎麼處理如果有違法我們當然會依據人團法的辦法來做處置所以是之後假設處置完之後會改選是不是再重新改選有問題的話所以根據內政部那地方會來知道我們做這樣的事情然後最後還有一個我們這個全協亞運選拔也有一個爭議本來我們的選訓會有決定偵測女子75公斤的量級 |
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然後後來到了去年底的時候,名古屋亞育營這次確認說有這個量級之後,忽然間到了今年的4月,我們的拳鞋取消了75公斤的量級,結果造成我們這邊的選手,他本來因為拳鞋有這個量級,他就去參加了,後來又莫名其妙取消了,就影響到他的權益,這部分次長知道嗎?我知道那怎麼處理? |
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沒有 事實上是這樣子的要進入到培訓他必須要取得資格原本協會規劃要參加這個比賽所以他有那樣的量級可是經過一段時間這位選手或我們台灣的這個量級的選手並沒有達到培訓的資格因此才沒有而不是我們一開始說你明明有資格我不讓你去不是這個樣子的那上次有提到另外那個有一個帕奧的問題帕奧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
911.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
936.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
有游泳的選手李玉樹對那他後來因為帕奧的協會的問題影響到他的權益後來那時候運動部說要去查現在查他怎麼樣了目前帕總已經給我們一些資料那我們對他的回覆並不是很滿意持續的在讓他持續又過了好久了這個事情有好幾個月了運動部怎麼好啦主席站起來了你可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
937.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
967.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
市長你的回答的態度我覺得這很蠻憨的真的非常蠻憨就是什麼事情都不積極然後問的都是要再演繹好幾個月怎麼樣像剛剛講那個怕運的選手的事情那個時候新聞曝光運動部第一時間趕快回然後現在經過了幾個月又不了了之然後現在問就是說我們不滿意不滿意所以要慢慢來明年後年大後年再解決是不是你什麼時候要把這個問題解決給社會大眾一個答案皓如你知道多久嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
968.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
988.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
什麼時候我是不是請我們試營師的同仁來回答這問題好嗎報告委員 那個報告的部分那個因為他現在最新的一個修正的部分已經送到我們室裡面這邊來所以應該在近期近期我們應該 近期是什麼時候那個拖那麼久了應該在 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
990.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1018.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
一至兩個月之內還要一至兩個月那個時候新聞出來你們第一天就說要處理了結果隔了那麼多個月然後還沒有一個給社會大眾一個交代因為我們在四月份的時候太誇張了吧我今天沒有問的話搞不好到明年後年才會出來欸不會不會不會不是因為太久了嘛因為有一些我們講什麼事情都要這樣拖都要這麼久主席會不會才試一下請他們快一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1019.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1033.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好今天就葉元之委員所關切的各事項如果沒有辦法來得及回覆希望提供書面資料希望多久內 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1036.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1058.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我剛剛講那個就是游泳的怕運的爭議好幾個月前的事嘛那個社會很關注嘛運動部立刻就說他要處理嘛就隔了這麼多個月我問他他又講說他又講說我們不滿意慢慢來然後可能一兩個月就答案就一直在拖啊那業人之為人是不是沒有我希望他們快一點給社會大眾交代啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1059.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1085.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
然後剛剛講體育班也是說什麼搞到什麼三年四年五年去每個事情都是牛年馬月運動部次長我們有辦法在一週內提供比較詳細的規劃啟程一個月嗎一個月可以接受嗎我不能接受啊特別是剛剛講那個怕暈選手這個事情我不能接受那就兩週好不好兩週兩週內提供結果要出來嘛是已經在四十做一個釐清了 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1086.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1093.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
已經事實跟一些需要需要事實跟需要修正的問題那你離線那麼久嗎謝謝的確還蠻複雜的兩週了好謝謝好謝謝葉人志委員的資訊 |