| IVOD_ID |
169687 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169687 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T09:45:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T09:54:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c3676f8edf3b803a08ed5a53471ac56e363077815697e441d1b419487d3a63137ed25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:00 - 09:54:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款客家委員會及所屬部分。四、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會115年度預算書案。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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主席 各位同仁 我們有請客委會股主委我客語我岳母在罵我的時候我聽得懂但是我不會講所以容我用這個國語來跟你做質詢 |
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我看你們的預算裡面很多是補助各地方的客委會那因為我們立法院執行不到所以我只能透過您去督導然後查核看他們補助是否有實效台北市客委會在客家主題公園每年都會辦藝名祭 藝名夜那我們可以看到藝名祭的重頭戲 |
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就是很多客家的鄉親會挑擔然後採接此何以故啊這是什麼意涵他要告訴我們什麼主委您知道嗎 |
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在現在在新竹移民廟的時間有連莊現在傳統就帶領我們台北市變成一個活動的中心此言差矣這個移民祭最主要從新埔移民廟這是清代林爽文事件林爽文最後一戰在竹戰 也就是新竹 |
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就像朱一貴最後一站在南科基地這兩地都有一名廟而當時清軍應該是以客家人當先鋒所以林爽文到現在死無葬身之地也不知道埋哪裡但是客家鄉親犧牲非常的多犧牲非常的多用牛車要載回家鄉頭混 |
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峨眉、山灣、新埔結果當地在新埔有地主願意捐地來做藝名廟但是這個對彝族的家屬要祭拜是非常辛苦的一件事情所以當時做了一個民間藝名也的神話說 |
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藝民也希望在新埔就地安葬那這個是要說服這些遺族啊也就是說你的哥哥 你的兒子葬身在新竹 葬在新埔你要從頭分挑蛋來祭拜這是很大的負擔但是如果是藝民也決定的 大家就接受所以呢 |
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後來到了藝民祭的時候投問人也挑蛋三彎人也挑蛋峨眉人也挑蛋新埔人也挑蛋都在馬路相逢變成挑蛋的活動這才是真正的歷史也就是我們藝民祭要告訴我們後人族群融合的重要性或者敏克不和敏克被受到挑撥 |
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兩邊都非常的受到嚴重的後果其實這個這個意義啊我可以受台灣史的挑戰可以受台灣史的挑戰結果我們台北市客家委員會對這個意涵卻沒有落實連主委您今天跟本席報告也是一個膚淺的表面公務所以我個人認為如果您不贊同我的講法 |
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可以來挑戰看看這是我們台北市客家委員會在我們中央的客家委員會督導之下錢花下去了但是意涵沒有出來那這個錢不是白花嗎主委如何來解釋是否可以督導他們去做一個客家藝名記他的歷史的研究來推翻我這個講法 |
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如果可以推翻的話 我會非常的高興我想不需要推翻啦 想對於歷史的認識有不同的角度啦再來就因爲石頭會館特別是來到台北市 都會區那要怎麼把過去300年前的歷史把它當今 當代大概250年 |
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大概當代有辦法展現而且是共同參與不分族群的共同參與的一個象徵也確實是不容易啦活動有活動本身的想要訴求的對象、方法跟結果閩客河是清朝最怕的也就是現在對岸最怕台灣閩客河所以他一定會挑撥 |
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所以我們必須要藉由我們的歷史告訴我們敏克河這好處所以我取客家人為妻我親身去體驗去實現在陳永華再生的時候他跟劉國軒是客家將軍敏克河康熙根本打不下台灣直到陳永華去世那麼我們現在公平來看台南市政府的客家委員會 |
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受到我們櫃會的補助以後它的績效如何根據台南市政府的客家委員會的資料現在台南地區客家人比例最高的17.9在永康我認為這有可能因為客家人很勤奮讀書所以到永康很多工業區上班但是在清代地圖印了一個HACA英國人做的 |
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英國人做的台灣地圖裡面印的一個Hakka district也就白河、南溪、玉井現在它的數字南溪是6.83南溪有東西煙我們接受東西煙是客家地名我可以確信玉井6.18那也可以接受白河 |
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竟然只有2.79在台南各區倒數第11白河有客庄內客庄內很大喔在現在白河的旁邊一個很大的社區他的宗教我去看的確是非媽祖啊 北極全天上帝客庄內那個村莊很大白河那邊還有這個少安厝 |
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少安厝 海豐 看地名就知道是客家人白河 它的人比例只有2.79 只有800人隆起0人 最後一個主委您覺得台南市客委會這樣的一個研究有把您的錢好好的運用 |
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像台南市的裝潢跟一般的客家裝很不一樣那它運用的對象比較多是促進族群間的認識跟理解主委我們要恢復客語白河地區20%到25%的人口是客家人從地名就知道根據台南現時代所做的白河的政治 |
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的研究百分之二十到二十五是客家人我們要恢復客語這裡是最需要恢復的不是嗎在恢復客語之前首先是要認同啦我想應該是沒有認同他們是很認同白河我們不敢講說他們當地的居民不認同客家的語言文化而是我們政府沒有做到所以我們台南的客委會人口調查都這麼離譜 |
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那那個錢沒有下去 貴會有沒有督導有沒有評估如果那個錢下去沒有督導沒有評估那本席在這裡質詢你就浪費時間了不是嗎因為這個錢是間接到各地的地方委員會所以我個人認為我身為一個客家人的社長 |
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我對客家人的文化語言非常的重視我們也希望透過客委會能夠積極的去督導各地的客委會能夠盡到他們的職責謝謝主委 |