| IVOD_ID |
169680 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169680 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T10:18:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T10:32:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c367b2d50322510b7d537a79f49b44e074565064cfc36d565837828aaad9c287f22f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:33 - 10:32:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、國民黨黨團擬具「失智症基本法草案」案。
二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「失智症基本法草案」案。
三、委員林月琴等19人擬具「失智症基本法草案」案。
【僅詢答】【第三案如經復議則不予審查】） |
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主席好 我們請部長有請市長 部長好 教練早部長好今天與會有很多單位我先請教一下在座各位誰接觸過失智症的患者或者是陪伴過失智症的家庭有沒有都有啦那我想問 |
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有人說啦就是說失智患者是全家人的病那大家都知道一個家裡如果有一個失智症的患者的時候全家人都是非常忙碌的那我看到我們卓院長昨天在講說失智症基本療法僅針對一個症狀這樣符合社會需要嗎那部長你可以回答嗎你可以回答這個院長講的對不對 |
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這個我比較不清楚因為這個院長指的應該不是指前後有一點斷章取義啦那應該只是說這個我必須要講一個連失智症是國家級風險都還搞不清楚搞不清楚把無數的家庭的崩潰輕描淡寫成單一症狀的行政首長不僅完全沒有執政的風範更沒有資格談什麼長照3.0 |
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應該不是這樣因為在我們長照3.0這個也是抱怨核定的那裡面呢在長照3.0裡面你們自己委託國家衛生研究院進行的調查報告數據顯示我們私自人口呈現階梯式的暴增啊2025年我們有37萬名患者2031年 |
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會增加到49.1萬那21年後可能會衝到76.8萬那台灣的失智人口是以每天36人的可怕速度在成長這代表這20年來我們的社會照護體系醫療支出及千千萬萬的家庭的照顧壓力都將面臨這個非常嚴峻的這個挑戰那結果我們行政院長卻用媒體說這種傲慢無知的言詞把自己 |
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關在行政計畫的象牙塔裡面完全看不到這場即將到來的人口海嘯政府的冷漠才是我們這個社會最大的失智那回到你們的報告行政院報告說行政院會推這個長照推動小組結合財政部、教育部、勞動部、經濟部、衛福部、國發會、退府會、園民會、客委會 |
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等9個機關副手長可是我看到你們衛福部說的報告確實失智鎮綱領3.0結合了12個部會那你們說現有的機制很完整可是我看到的是行政院跟衛福部連跨部會的名單都不一樣到底是9個機關還是12個機關我們長照3.0裡面的失智鎮綱領的專章是有12個部會那行政院為什麼講9個勒 |
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那個是之前2.0的時候是大概10個部會所以你們現在還沒有同步就對了沒有 那個是不同時期你跟行政院還沒有接收到訊號應該是不同階段因為現階段是12個部會對啊 因為你們連參與部會的名單都還不一致怎麼說全這已經清楚了那今天審查私自證基本療法行政院這份報告態度很明確那位常常3.0已經處理了那行政院院長推動 |
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行政院這個長照推動小組在另外基本法這個基本法會重複分散行政量能衛福部的意思是可以演繹但目前有國家計畫家既有法律雙軌如果另一專法要避免標籤化並先做跨部會的與中央的協調部長你真的認為不需要這個施政基本療法嗎還是你們還沒準備好所以認為不需要 |
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應該是說我們現在進入到3.0是今年開始又擴大的那個跨部會的合作方案所以現在3.0今年才是3.0的第一年那我們也正式進入到施治鎮防治綱領的3.0所以應該我們是認為讓我們在 |
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因為我看到你們現在不是有完整的制度只是把失智症拆散分別塞進長照法老夫法 生權法 精神衛生法裡面但沒有一部 |
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法律是以失智者與家庭照顧為核心的一個法律正常的法治國家裡面通常都是基本法定方向計畫負責執行兩個本來就是上下位階的關係沒有衝突嘛對不對 |
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其實那個現在講法是很奇怪他說已經有長照3.0所以不用基本法這個邏輯很奇怪應該是這樣子講跟委員說明我們有其他的作用法在支持失智症者的相關的需要那進一步的當然我們現在有一些法像在我們報告裡面特有到老扶法精神衛生法這些 |
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其實都有含納到我們市市長的需要當然如果要更全面一點就是去檢視到各其他相關法律這個就像你知道就像我們做我們平常在做防災防震演習但不會因為說消防局平常有在做就不用這個災害救這個防救法對不對 |
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日本韓國本來也有生長法老人福利制度長照制度但他們最後還是另立失智政的專法就是因為失智政跨越老人生長醫療長照金融交通司法等不同制度所以才需要一個一部法律來統整國家的責任部長認同嗎 |
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應該這麼講,各國的考量跟法律制度當然都有所不同啦,所以就從...因為你報告裡面提到100%沒有開始推動。當然有自然,但是也有其他的國家,它也是很高齡化,像歐洲很多國家都高齡化程度也都不會比我們低,但是他們也是按照他們現有的法律去推動,也沒有這個失智證基本法。 |
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102年的時候跨部會推動施治症防護照顧的政策也就是1.0那當初單獨把施治症拉出來做一個防治照護的政策原因是什麼 |
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其實我們有很多計畫也都是因為這個問題很嚴重所以我們就會有一個然後那個世界衛生組織也好或者是聯合國也好他如果有提出相關的這些目標或什麼我們都會有這些像施政計畫當年的政府很有遠見嘛知道施政不等於一般長照所以我覺得部長你要加快腳步了好不好 |
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好 我們一定加快腳步那我再問一下警政署現在在擴大這個毒價的查緝送檢驗的檢體一定增加那衛福部作為濫用藥物的檢驗體系認證機構新興毒品監測與醫療通報主管機關目前全國後端的檢驗能量一天有多少可以完成多少 |
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檢驗的量能檢驗的量能是應該是足夠啦但是詳細的數字我再提供給委員好那只是說我剛剛也有提到說因為隨著這個新興毒品的發展也很迅速那檢驗的方法也是在跟上開發所以我們會來重新來找相關的部會跟這個專家來討論把這個檢驗的方法跟它的標準那個那個預值來做一些調整 |
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我看你衛福部115年2月的資料顯示非廟宇檢體中這個伊托米子已經是第三名了單月764件佔12.6%那115年一到2月就已經有3768件驗出了那114年全年則高達2萬多件這代表伊托米子已經不是零星個案而是毒品市場裡的主流那現在問題是 |
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我們最近在炒這個毒價嘛那快篩完之後還要驗尿才能當最後依據可是醫推免醫止代謝快嘛你剛剛有講說部長有講說要這個採檢的方式要改變就是那個因為他的半衰期比較短所以他那個標準可能要他尿液濃度可能很快的下降所以現在毒價案件有沒有要求幾個小時內要完成採尿或者超過 |
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多久的時間內一定要把它這個進行做採檢好像沒有特別我們要再確認一下所以你們我覺得這個都是問題啦我也希望你把它列入你們要改的這個部分另外我有在想到就是現在它這個伊托米子它們獨家的部分它們使用的是電子煙對不對電子煙的機器就是那個載具對它的載具嘛對不對那 |
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我想問部長 你們有可能會核准電子菸嗎沒有 現在在菸害防止法裡面是如果不會 現在我這樣講就是說我們要杜絕這種事情發生 是不是考慮從載具這邊直接就下手了你現在罰則低啊 對不對 你不能提高嗎如果你罰則提高的時候 大家都不敢拿了嘛 |
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你這樣子你會讓基層的這個檢驗量能減少很多啦因為他還要去分辨他到底是抽電子一樣還是裡面加了移投明子 |
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因為我們現在對於那個販賣這個非法的電子煙就是我們在煙壓防治法裡面叫類煙品反正你不會准類煙品這個罰則是到500萬嘛到500萬那是最高嘛可是你一般都不會罰最高啊對不對你最低是不是能夠提高讓這些業者他不敢賣嘛對不對 持有的人不敢拿嘛 |
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是不是又能減少一部分因為吸毒的人他都有一個僥倖的心態啦沒有抓到就不算嘛反正你們不會收我身啊但如果發現這些東西他就是違法是不是就直接處理對不對這樣也可以減少我們這個後面的壓力 |
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對 就是說現在我們在上次修煙害防治法的時候有一個漏洞就是對持有我們現在是對吸的是會罰嘛但是對持有沒有處分對 它持有它只是電子煙啊其實你也不能罰它什麼但是這個東西如果你修法把它改成你持有就不能罰持有就沒路啦沒路還要 |
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要罰重一點吧對你要罰款吧可以可以對不對你當然罰款罰重一點他都不敢拿我們盡速把這個修法把它送入到這個大院來做這個討論因為現在警察在執勤的時候他是用快篩對不對現在快篩的準確度多少 |
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春秋現在就比較高啦 比較快啦 所以他才會這個件數明顯的上升因為現在的方式有快篩了啦 以前用唾液會比較快我覺得這事情非常嚴重 不想請你這邊要加快腳步好不好這個東西你可能多一天就少一個遺憾 好不好另外再最後一個 |
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你們115年就是今年編8000萬要買無人機嘛那其中1500萬是委辦費這是要請他幹什麼操作因為無人機需要有操控中心不是隨便 操控中心是1500萬委託他操控因為我們的無人機啊還必須要有操作人員然後要設定航廓這些所以他這一家這個操控中心他只負責操控不負責這個無人機的採購 |
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還是怎麼樣應該採購是另外的預算那個跟他沒有關係主要是我看你變成6500萬是要買啊對也就是說他們不負責採購嗎不會不會對那是用這個部分是怎麼樣他是未來用委託還是用招標 |
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呃詳細的部分我想再提供給呃這個主要主要主要是要操控啦對啊因為你你沒有買了八六千五百萬的無人機嘛對不對你買了當然你這個是未來是未來假如說有有偏鄉用藥偏鄉偏鄉用藥送藥對不對那除了這個之外你還有其他用途嗎 |
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我們主要有三個發展模式在一個是送藥無人機送藥到偏鄉或者是這個就是你們惠服組單一的企劃還是跟各部會都有合作這個部分是我們的那另外還有其他的那第二個呢是還有院紀監 |
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對你可以跟其他消防啊什麼消防警政署啊或者是消防署啊這些來合作因為我不希望說你買的各部會都買了一堆他們自己用自己的平時都放在那邊不用對不對你應該要增加這個使用率而且達到他的最最大的效能吧會 |
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因為我們還有幾個點這個各個縣市不一樣或同時來發展這樣好 謝謝部長好 謝謝謝謝邱正軍委員的諮詢現在請王育民委員諮詢 |