| IVOD_ID |
169678 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169678 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T10:29:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T10:42:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c3676966263f857bab66486a38586931bd155064cfc36d565837741abac731c48f905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:01 - 10:42:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於立法院主管收支部分。
【預算提案於5月26日中午12時截止收件】
【5月25日、27日及28日三天一次會】） |
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是 我先做個情緒宣告 待會在中委員諮詢完畢之後我們中間休息五分鐘然後之後再開始今天的預算審查謝謝主席 有請我們立法院的周萬來周秘書長好 麻煩周秘書長總務處處長還有 還有處長 |
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這個我們立法院的大管家好這必須請你來這實在是大家都很寒冷引領期判看你能不能在委員會好不容易就等到你來了但是有幾個問題也要來請教 |
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對於立法院、對於秘書處這個地方其實大家都對你很客氣但是有幾個議題其實我覺得本席也覺得應該好好來把它解決掉尤其是碰到助理的問題就是說立法院我們說這是最高民意的一個殿堂除了要讓 |
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這些委員有更好的一個問政 相關的一個環境以外其實那個組成 立法院現在的阻力 都是最重要的我記得 我記得當時 我們一八十四年的時候 我們有做到一些 |
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我記得上一次我也提出來質詢然後我們在針對機車的問題在114年度總預算的主決議裡面 |
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車牌的辨識系統的部分 你看一下 要增加機車的辨識第二 機車專屬的出入道那時候 二萬一你們就順便答覆 現行系統可以來調整但是助理工會有疑慮 因為機車不該下去中心道路 需要再溝通 |
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未來再試經費條件來設專屬的一個車道但是問題點是在這裡 |
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因為你做秘書長 你比較不會他關心到車的事情太多嘛 陣地上的事情還要多 還要煩事啊但這一些對助理來講 我覺得非常重要啦因為他那裡 日本人要問政 就沒有這裡的助理群 就真的沒那麼多嘛他們這裡的基本的一個需求 你不給他開關也不行所以你說喔 機車位不足 這屬於失敗你去有空 秘書長你去看委員的車的旁邊那裡喔 差不多就放機車嘛 |
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大家在那裡賀威 大家在那裡摸菜 抽垃圾 趕快來 趕快看有沒有威那機車的不足啊 這個我們這個是一個事實啊 怎麼去處理啊立法院 你們到底有沒有去調查說 全院裡面 機車 |
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通勤的 接管的 數量才有多少 必須你們去調查我們只想開支應處理問題 基本的數據你們到底有去做調查嗎我問我裡面的助理 人家說你也沒來調查 |
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這個要啦 不然都是虛硬故事而已啦你這個大管家 我對你算很客氣的啦但是這個問題 現在說出來之後不是說你要做不是啦 你就發脾氣就可以了他就把你給逮 說你這是在做什麼我跟莊委員報告啦 |
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因為你那天諮詢以後我自己親自有下去看我真的有親自下去看找處長去整個去盤聯過啦其實因為這個你也知道這一個是舊的立法院啦他們所給我的是說他們規劃才100多的機車位啦所以不夠那因為為什麼他說講那個助理工會原因因為底下那是汽車的 |
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那你知道處理當然希望就直接在底下比較方便嘛所以直接就到底下來了這是一個問題啦所以我也把它當成一個問題那你剛才講的那個這都長期存在的問題啦我們現在就是說要怎麼改管是 我知道是喔 你也不能說你知道你說你叫你那總務處的或是他下面你說我叫做大管家你這裡來 趕快幫他做做完之後 他再繼續做做完之後你滾蛋 |
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你如果這個態度稍微改變一下之後,會有機會做出來的成果就會不一樣啦我對你們什麼總務處、對你們什麼,我也不在乎麻煩你們的,我不知道你們是誰啦你們想的人都另外一回事啦,但是本來這個就是你們該去做的事情啦我們也有做關係的,譬如說,你們如果去問主理公會的意見啦 |
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但是也有很多助理在說 工會裡面是老屁股啊它未必可以代表整個助理真正的一個需求啊但重點就是說 你立法院如果說我們不先解決停車的問題趕快去創上面辨識系統啦 或是要做機車專屬道啊就不好 現在要做的 但是你被本末倒置啦 |
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就說我需求你沒做出來你自己要做這個我不認為你這不應該做我也認為該做但問題是基本的需求你沒有去解決啦所以我是期待說必須要你這個好好地處理問題很小但是真的該做另外第二個就是說你日本人現在有做一個就是說強化車道的方法我們一百十三年一百十四年這些我都問過的問題就是說 |
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那扯下去後不要勒慘啦但成效看起來就是從助理那邊聽起來幾個辦公室問起來是說沒看到效果啦你一百十五年就今年的預算書裡面你就沒看到相關預算的編列啦你可能想說這預算可能不太大啦所以你就沒去衝啦但是呢就是說這裡你要怎麼去做一個改善 |
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應該是總務處處長我給他建議我給他建議我說明的說明比較看不到成效你能騎自動車嗎你騎兩台你就知道你要怎麼處理我都問你 你要叫立法院怎麼改變 |
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秘書是要讓他倒下酒 總務處要讓他倒下酒你說叫總務處處長把他站在桌上 站兩天他就知道要怎麼做了不是這樣說 來 處長來回答秘書長 這個大總管不要你來 你來等會兒說 比較大聲 等會兒再說話跟那個小妹都不是這個意思 來 |
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謝謝委員 為全體的夥伴來關心這個安全問題這個安全問題這兩年陸續一直有提案所以本來我們去年都在估它都是要重鋪車道第一個經費高 第二個要全部封閉那可行性比較低後來我們前一陣子也找到一種新的工法可能比較便宜的方式可以做我們已經廠商做了 我們最近就會把它鋪設 |
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那這個車道在前 這兩年我們都有做那種奈米塗層也確實有防滑效果那這一次我們會用另外一種工程去加強希望能把它改善 以上報告 |
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真的要去改善,你只要捨一天你就知道,你都不知道要叫喪,你都不知道,沒辦法,就在日本做人家的助理,現在現狀就是這樣而已,自己稍微去就好但是我要講的是說,立法院的助理,他可能,各研究室的助理,他的心態這樣算不錯嗎? |
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不是要自己去抗議 說李文貴秘書主席在做什麼李文貴在抗議行政委員都很厲害 對不對 大家都很厲害我們李文貴在要求別人 感到別人也很厲害立法院的秘書書 我說實在話全中華民國最不受到監督的一個地方就在立法院秘書書這大總管你要很清楚 |
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大家當作自己人 大家的事情都多 對你們都手下留情不然你們這些公務機關 公務人員 你們這裡如果當作一般行政部門你以為我們這裡可以洗洗到英文 我不給你騙所以大家是認為 啊那祕書處嘛我們自己都立法委員 也是立法院的成員之一嘛對你們特別客氣嘛 但是你們這種行政效率喔 |
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要說就說不完,我不會騙你,你只要整個縮小,改建對某些採購有的沒的,電腦有的沒的,當然那些有的是,必須你那時候要來啦但是看到這樣的一個效率,改觀問題太多,不好啦,這個真的我看機車這一題,眼睛看得見的總務處處長,有辦法嗎? |
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昨天已經跟助理說明 怎麼做 做到什麼程度 我們都有說明不是啦 不是只有說明 要有效果出來這不是只有我辦公室的人在騎機車而已啦這是每年下一個委員 人家的辦公室下一個助理我們立法院的組成裡面 雖然是立委 研究室的助理 其實剛剛很重要的一個 |
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最後一個問題要來請教我們大總管 |
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要叫你來,其實是很突顯的問題,要不然叫你來是要衝阿威,就不太嚴格但是,好不容易來,我就要請教,立法院的簽證部門,我看延宕也很久了,都要朝野協商,要見請召開 |
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這個問題是出在你一定的態度啦你一定的態度,你一定,如果韓國瑜這個人太沒型,你知道嗎你如果說一個比較好的話,他會教你的藝術啦他如果沒藝術的話,問題就出在你了,你知道嗎 |
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就是說你沒有把它當成一件事啦也許你考量的是社會的一個氛圍啦你考量的是說 喔這錢放下去花這麼多 社會不一定會接受這個我都懂 你知道嗎但是一種是你應該做的事情 要去做吧 |
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應該召開就召開嘛 也兩年後這樣是不是這樣說 秘書長謝謝 這個讓我一點點時間跟你報告來來來來其實我在這邊剛才有人問到啦其實我一直都在立法院啦其實這次來對這一個議題我是會相當關心啦非常關心 所以特別 |
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也招了有一位參事 也是這邊的專業啦其實我也跟蔡七郎委員 昨天有跟他報告過就是這個點啦 這個地點很難打開啦因為第十一屆 第十一屆你在嘛啊沒關係嘛 別跟你們 別跟你們說什麼嘛你既然列為草野協商的議題 你就把它交開嘛 |
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我現在的一個狀況是這樣我是希望說這一屆裡面能夠把它地點先定能夠定點當然有前置桌一定要做一些評估原來有六個在那圓山因為我也知道你在場 |
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院長有稍微提到他有想對園山有他有的想法那當然這一個參事是有提到一個就地改建的一個方案在那我想說那整個跟院長報告的比較完整以後我是希望能夠在協商裡面能夠夠黨能成立像第十屆有一個委員會來推動 |
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你連一個影子都沒有啊你跟他回答 跟他講 建請召開黨團協商室 議決程序跟地點以後來辦理規劃案進途了 他就跟他講問而已嘛這一點我是非常在意啦是 你也沒有一四人都做秘書長 |
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有這個機會 你無中生有 這個其實也是一大貢獻考量到社會對民脂民膏沒辦法接受什麼什麼 這個都可以考量嘛 |
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天啊 乾啊 都亂了做一個事情之後 大家都把你打破了那不可能啊那常常都是幾十年後以後你才會看到說哎喲 董妮你看看 那個韓國瑜 那個光頭院長跟那個大總管 那個周恩來他又 兩項不解釋 這兩項又對 |
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其實全世界各國的國會,大家都有去考察啦,我們台灣的國會比較幸運,不會看到啦,這真的是重點啦,那其他我看 |
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預算的順帶 今天跟你討論一下但我認為啊 秘書長你要把它當成重要的一件事情啦好不好謝謝 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:29:15.516000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:29:18.678000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請我們立法院周萬來秘書長，還有總務處處長。 |
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主席 |
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麻煩周秘書長，還有處長。 |
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周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:29:19.419000+08:00 |
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1 |
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莊委員好。 |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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我們立法院的大管家好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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秘書長你來，大家實在都很歡迎，引領期盼看你能不能來委員會，好不容易就等到你來了，但是有幾個問題也要來請教，對立法院、對我們秘書處，在這個地方，其實大家對你都很客氣，但是有幾個議題，本席也覺得應該好好把它解決掉，尤其是碰到助理的問題，我們說立法院是最高的民意殿堂，除了要讓委員有更好的問政環境以外，其實有關立法院的組成，這些助理才是最重要的。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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記得114年的時候我們有做一些決議，這些決議說什麼呢？ |
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0.545 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:30:20.079000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:30:52.750000+08:00 |
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決議就是在說機車道的部分，我不知道說完之後立法院到底有沒有去做，我記得上一次我也提出來質詢，然後針對機車的問題，在114年度總預算的主決議裡面有說到車牌辨識系統的部分，你去看一下，就是要增加機車的辨識。 |
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0.604 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:30:52.750000+08:00 |
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第二個是機車專屬的出入道。 |
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0.833 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:30:58.575000+08:00 |
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那時候立法院就書面答復說現行系統可以來調整，但是助理工會有疑慮，認為機車不該下去中興大樓，需要再溝通，第二個是未來再視經費條件來設專屬的車道。 |
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0.758 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:11.468000+08:00 |
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但是問題的點其實就在這裡，秘書長，因為你當秘書長，你比較不會去關心這些事情，因為事情太多了，政治性的事情也很多，煩都煩死了，但這些對助理來講，我覺得非常重要，因為立法院的問政如果沒有這些助理群真的就沒辦法，他們這些基本的需求你沒幫他們解決也不行。 |
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0.634 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:37.398000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:38.058000+08:00 |
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機車位不足這是事實吧？ |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:38.758000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:53.270000+08:00 |
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秘書長有空的話可以去看，委員車子旁邊差不多都在放機車，大家想停車就跟摸彩或抽樂透一樣，早點來可以先看有沒有位置，機車位不足這是一個事實，怎麼去處理？ |
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0.588 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:31:53.470000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:12.481000+08:00 |
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立法院有沒有調查全院裡面騎機車的通勤職員數量差不多有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:12.861000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:16.507000+08:00 |
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秘書長你應該去調查，我們只想花錢去處理問題，但是基本的數據你們到底有去做過調查嗎？ |
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0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-28T10:32:16.507000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:27.954000+08:00 |
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我問我立法院裡面的助理，人家也說你沒來調查，這個要啦！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:28.374000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:30.415000+08:00 |
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不然都是虛應故事而已啦！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:31.016000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:34.297000+08:00 |
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你這個大管家，我對你算是很客氣，但這個問題確實真的說出來之後，不是說叫你要做…… |
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0.829 |
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周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:34.297000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:35.297000+08:00 |
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謝謝，因為…… |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:34.477000+08:00 |
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不是啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:34.637000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:37.018000+08:00 |
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你就發脾氣就可以了，你就跟你下面的人說你們這是在做什麼…… |
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0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:37.018000+08:00 |
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我跟莊委員報告，因為你那天質詢以後，我自己有親自下去看，我真的有親自下去看，也找處長去整個盤點過。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:32:52.943000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:07.167000+08:00 |
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其實你也知道，這是一個舊的立法院，他們所給我的是他們的規劃才一百多個機車位，所以不夠，那為什麼會講到助理工會？ |
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0.86 |
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周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:07.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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2026-05-28T10:33:16.933000+08:00 |
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原因是因為底下那是汽車的，那你知道助理當然希望直接停在底下比較方便，所以直接就到底下來，這是一個問題啦！是啦！ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:16.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:17.933000+08:00 |
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我知道就是說…… |
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0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:17.854000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:18.034000+08:00 |
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你剛才講的那個…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:18.034000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:18.414000+08:00 |
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這都是長期存在的問題啦！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:18.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:19.414000+08:00 |
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對，我理解。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:18.735000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:19.315000+08:00 |
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我們現在就是說要怎麼解決啦！ |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:19.435000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:19.695000+08:00 |
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是，我知道。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:20.336000+08:00 |
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你也不能說你知道，比如你叫你們總務處的或是下面的人，你可以跟他們講你是大管家，你們趕快來幫我做，做好之後官就繼續當，做不好就滾蛋，你如果把態度稍微改變一下，底下的人做出來的成果就會不一樣啦！ |
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0.678 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:41.995000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:33:44.556000+08:00 |
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我對你們總務處什麼的也不曾麻煩過，我也不知道你們是誰，你們是誰的人都是另外一回事，但是本來這個就是你們該去做的事情，我們也有做決議耶！ |
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0.79 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-28T10:33:44.676000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:34:17.029000+08:00 |
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比如說你們如果有去問助理工會的意見……但是也有很多助理來講，工會裡面有一些是老屁股，他未必可以代表整個助理真正的需求，但重點就是，立法院如果不先解決停車的問題，只去做什麼辨識系統或是機車專屬道，那都是沒用的。 |
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0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-28T10:34:17.329000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:34:31.126000+08:00 |
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這些雖然應該做，但是你本末倒置，就是我的需求你沒做出來，你只做了那些而已，我不認為那些不應該做，我也認為該做，但問題是基本的需求你沒有去解決，所以我是期待秘書長能好好處理，問題很小，但是真的該做。 |
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0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:34:31.146000+08:00 |
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另外，第二個是立法院現在有做強化車道的防滑，113年、114年我都有問過這個問題，就是車子下去之後不要滑倒，但成效看起來就是……從助理那邊聽起來，幾個辦公室問起來都說沒看到效果。 |
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0.811 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:03.426000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:25.741000+08:00 |
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在今年（115年）的預算書裡面，沒有看到相關預算的編列，你們可能想說這個預算不太大，所以你們就沒去做，但是這些你要怎麼去做改善，應該是總務處處長，我給你建議…… |
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周秘書長萬來 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:25.741000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:26.741000+08:00 |
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請總務處長稍微簡單說明一下。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:25.901000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:26.622000+08:00 |
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說明比較看不到成效，你會騎摩托車嗎？ |
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0.812 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:26.622000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:27.502000+08:00 |
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你去騎2次你就知道了，你就知道要怎麼處理了，我都問助理說你要叫立法院怎麼改變？ |
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0.714 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:45.144000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:45.304000+08:00 |
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秘書處要怎麼幫忙？ |
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0.375 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:45.544000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:45.544000+08:00 |
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總務處要怎麼幫忙？ |
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0.5 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:45.604000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:46.705000+08:00 |
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他說叫總務處處長自己來騎摩托車2次就知道該怎麼做了，是不是這樣說？ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:46.705000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:46.725000+08:00 |
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處長來回答。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:46.805000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:35:48.586000+08:00 |
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秘書長這個大總管先不要來，等一下我講話大聲一點又說我在罵你，我就不是這個意思。 |
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0.583 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:01.371000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:16.326000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員為全體夥伴來關心這個安全問題，這個安全問題這兩年陸續一直有人提案，所以本來我們前年、去年都在估，它都是要重鋪車道，第一個是經費高，第二個要全部封閉，可行性比較低。 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:16.747000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:24.234000+08:00 |
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後來我們前一陣子找到一種新的工法，可以用比較便宜的方式來做，我們已經請廠商做了，最近就會把它鋪設。 |
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0.911 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:26.316000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:35.083000+08:00 |
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車道在這兩年我們都有做奈米塗層，也確實有防滑效果，那這一次我們會用另外一種工程去加強，希望能把它改善。 |
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1 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:35.783000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:36.044000+08:00 |
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以上報告。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:36.044000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:40.210000+08:00 |
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你就是沒有把它當做自己的事情。有啦！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:40.210000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:44.376000+08:00 |
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真的，我沒騙你，沒有改善啦！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:44.376000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:51.299000+08:00 |
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真的要去改善，你摔一次就知道……你都不知道要罵誰，就沒辦法啊！ |
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0.769 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:51.519000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:55.941000+08:00 |
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在立法院當人家的助理，現在現狀就是這樣，自己小心一點就好。 |
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0.692 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:36:56.982000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:12.128000+08:00 |
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但是我要講的是，做立法院的助理，他可能是當研究室的助理，他這個心態還算是不錯了，也沒有拿牌子去跟你抗議說立法院秘書處是在做什麼。 |
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0.644 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:12.568000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:15.429000+08:00 |
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立法院在抗議行政院都很厲害，對不對？ |
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0.75 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:15.429000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:15.889000+08:00 |
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大家都很厲害啦！ |
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0.857 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:17.389000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:18.910000+08:00 |
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立法院在要求別人、監督別人也很厲害啦！ |
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0.647 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:20.170000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:36.780000+08:00 |
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立法院秘書處是……我說實在話，全中華民國最不受到監督的一個地方就在立法院秘書處，大總管你要很清楚，大家都當作自己人，大家的事情都很多，對你們都手下留情，不然你們這些公務機關的公務人員，你們如果是一般行政部門，立法院這些委員會把你「洗甲金爍爍」，我沒有騙你，大家是認為就秘書處嘛！ |
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0.79 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:36.800000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:37.641000+08:00 |
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我們自己都是立法委員，也是立法院的成員之一，對你們特別客氣嘛！ |
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0.964 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:37.661000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:55.733000+08:00 |
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但是你們這種行政效率，要講講不完，我沒騙你啦！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:37:56.814000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:08.479000+08:00 |
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光是一個宿舍改建，對一些採購有的沒的、電梯有的沒的，當然有一些當時秘書長你還沒有來，但是看到這樣的效率、解決問題的態度，不好啦！ |
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0.614 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:09.320000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:12.281000+08:00 |
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我看機車這一題，眼睛看得見的，總務處處長，有辦法嗎？ |
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1 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:17.107000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.228000+08:00 |
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我們昨天已經跟助理說明怎麼做，做到什麼程度，我們都有說明過了。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.248000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.308000+08:00 |
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不是啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.408000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.568000+08:00 |
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不是只有說明……有啦！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.568000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:19.568000+08:00 |
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我們都要發包了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.648000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.748000+08:00 |
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要有效果出來。 |
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1 |
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廖處長烱志 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.748000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:19.748000+08:00 |
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要發包了。 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:18.748000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:19.148000+08:00 |
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這不只是我辦公室的人在騎機車而已啦！ |
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0.941 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:19.168000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:21.569000+08:00 |
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這是立法院那麼多委員辦公室的助理，就是立法院的組成裡面雖然是立委，但研究室的助理其實擔綱很重要的一個……對於立委的問政，來監督整個憲政機關、行政院或各個機關，他們都是重要的主力啦！ |
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0.439 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:21.569000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:40.279000+08:00 |
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他們來這邊，你們也沒有準備機車位，叫你們改善也做了主決議，大家都隨便弄一弄而已，這樣就不好啦！ |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:38:40.279000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:10.177000+08:00 |
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最後一個問題要來請教我們大總管，叫你來也是為了凸顯問題，不然叫你來要做什麼，又不是吃飽撐著，但是好不容易來，我就要請教，就是我們立法院遷建的部分，我們延宕真的也很久了，你們都說要朝野協商，對不對？ |
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0.659 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:10.197000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:10.237000+08:00 |
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要建請召開啦！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-28T10:39:27.087000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:27.247000+08:00 |
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這個問題出在哪裡，你知道嗎？ |
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0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:27.427000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:27.667000+08:00 |
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院長的態度啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-28T10:39:27.687000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:28.188000+08:00 |
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你們院長的態度……韓國瑜這個人太忙，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:28.188000+08:00 |
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2026-05-28T10:39:29.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
你如果跟他說一個比較好的之後，他會照你的意思啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-28T10:39:29.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-28T10:39:29.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
他如果沒去做，那問題就都出在你了，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-28T10:39:42.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:08.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
就是說你沒有把它當成一件事，也許你考量的是社會的氛圍，你考量的是這筆錢花下去會花太多，社會不一定會接受，這個我都懂，但是你們應該做的事情總是要去做，應該召開就要召開，也兩年多了，不是這樣說嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.874 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:08.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:08.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
秘書長？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:08.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:11.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝，這個讓我用一點點時間跟你報告。來、來。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:11.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:37.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
其實在這邊剛才也有委員問到，我一直都在立法院，對這個議題我是相當關心、非常關心，所以也特別招了一位參事在這邊也是很專業，我也跟蔡其昌委員報告過，就是這個地點很難打開，因為第10屆你在嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:37.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:38.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
沒關係，不要只有你們兩、三個討論……我會…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.312 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:38.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:39.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
你既然列為朝野協商的議題，你們就把它召開嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-28T10:40:46.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-28T10:40:58.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我現在的狀況是這樣，我是希望這一屆裡面能夠把地點先定，能夠定點，當然有前置作業一定要做一些評估，原來有6個點嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:00.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:02.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
圓山，我也知道，你也在場嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:03.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:25.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
院長有稍微提了，對圓山，他也有想法，當然，這一個參事是有跟我提到一個就地改建的方案，我想說，讓他整個比較完整跟院長報告以後，我是希望能夠在協商裡面，各黨能成立像第10屆那樣有一個委員會來推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:25.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:26.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
你就一個影子也沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:26.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:28.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
希望這一屆裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:28.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:29.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
你連一個影子都沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:29.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:30.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
有、有、有。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:30.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:38.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
你們的回答只有說「建請召開黨團協商，俟議決程序與地點後，辦理規劃案」，請問進度呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.686 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:38.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:39.246333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
就只有公文而已，不是這樣說嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:39.246333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:40.366667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我要跟莊委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:40.366667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:41.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
秘書長，我要跟你說的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:41.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:42.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
這一點我是非常在意啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
周秘書長萬來 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:42.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:43.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我非常在意這一點…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:43.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:44.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
是，但你也不是一輩子都當秘書長啦，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:51.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-28T10:41:53.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
有這個機會，你把它無中生有，其實這也是一大貢獻啦，你說考量到社會對民脂民膏沒辦法接受什麼等等，這個都可以考量嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-28T10:41:53.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-28T10:42:04.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
天底下哪有都包贏的？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-28T10:42:04.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-28T10:42:07.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
做了一件事情之後，大家都給你鼓掌，那是不可能的，常常都是幾十年以後你才會看到，當年你看看，韓國瑜那個光頭院長跟那個大總管周萬來，別的沒有很厲害，但唯獨做這件事對臺灣、對國會裡面確實有很大的影響，還可以把它遷到什麼地方，也不會像一間小小的學校在那邊。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.416 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-28T10:42:22.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-28T10:42:50.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
其實大家都有考察全世界各國的國會啦，我們臺灣的國會確實真的上不了檯面，這實在真的是一個重點，其他的部分我看在預算的時候再跟你討論一下，但我認為，秘書長，你要把它當成重要的一件事情，好不好？謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-28T10:42:51.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-28T10:42:55.475714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
好，謝謝莊召委，秘書長可以先請回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-28T10:42:55.775714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-28T10:43:12.632857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我們所有登記發言的委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束，委員質詢時要求提供的相關資料或以書面答復者，就請相關機關儘速送交個別委員及本會。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-28T10:43:12.932857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-28T10:43:22.075714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
委員蔡其昌所提的書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報，並且請相關機關以書面答復。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |