| IVOD_ID |
169678 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169678 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T10:29:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T10:42:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c3676966263f857bab66486a38586931bd155064cfc36d565837741abac731c48f905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:01 - 10:42:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於立法院主管收支部分。
【預算提案於5月26日中午12時截止收件】
【5月25日、27日及28日三天一次會】） |
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是 我先做個情緒宣告 待會在中委員諮詢完畢之後我們中間休息五分鐘然後之後再開始今天的預算審查謝謝主席 有請我們立法院的周萬來周秘書長好 麻煩周秘書長總務處處長還有 還有處長 |
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這個我們立法院的大管家好這必須請你來這實在是大家都很寒冷引領期判看你能不能在委員會好不容易就等到你來了但是有幾個問題也要來請教 |
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對於立法院、對於秘書處這個地方其實大家都對你很客氣但是有幾個議題其實我覺得本席也覺得應該好好來把它解決掉尤其是碰到助理的問題就是說立法院我們說這是最高民意的一個殿堂除了要讓 |
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這些委員有更好的一個問政 相關的一個環境以外其實那個組成 立法院現在的阻力 都是最重要的我記得 我記得當時 我們一八十四年的時候 我們有做到一些 |
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我記得上一次我也提出來質詢然後我們在針對機車的問題在114年度總預算的主決議裡面 |
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車牌的辨識系統的部分 你看一下 要增加機車的辨識第二 機車專屬的出入道那時候 二萬一你們就順便答覆 現行系統可以來調整但是助理工會有疑慮 因為機車不該下去中心道路 需要再溝通 |
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未來再試經費條件來設專屬的一個車道但是問題點是在這裡 |
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因為你做秘書長 你比較不會他關心到車的事情太多嘛 陣地上的事情還要多 還要煩事啊但這一些對助理來講 我覺得非常重要啦因為他那裡 日本人要問政 就沒有這裡的助理群 就真的沒那麼多嘛他們這裡的基本的一個需求 你不給他開關也不行所以你說喔 機車位不足 這屬於失敗你去有空 秘書長你去看委員的車的旁邊那裡喔 差不多就放機車嘛 |
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大家在那裡賀威 大家在那裡摸菜 抽垃圾 趕快來 趕快看有沒有威那機車的不足啊 這個我們這個是一個事實啊 怎麼去處理啊立法院 你們到底有沒有去調查說 全院裡面 機車 |
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通勤的 接管的 數量才有多少 必須你們去調查我們只想開支應處理問題 基本的數據你們到底有去做調查嗎我問我裡面的助理 人家說你也沒來調查 |
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這個要啦 不然都是虛硬故事而已啦你這個大管家 我對你算很客氣的啦但是這個問題 現在說出來之後不是說你要做不是啦 你就發脾氣就可以了他就把你給逮 說你這是在做什麼我跟莊委員報告啦 |
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因為你那天諮詢以後我自己親自有下去看我真的有親自下去看找處長去整個去盤聯過啦其實因為這個你也知道這一個是舊的立法院啦他們所給我的是說他們規劃才100多的機車位啦所以不夠那因為為什麼他說講那個助理工會原因因為底下那是汽車的 |
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那你知道處理當然希望就直接在底下比較方便嘛所以直接就到底下來了這是一個問題啦所以我也把它當成一個問題那你剛才講的那個這都長期存在的問題啦我們現在就是說要怎麼改管是 我知道是喔 你也不能說你知道你說你叫你那總務處的或是他下面你說我叫做大管家你這裡來 趕快幫他做做完之後 他再繼續做做完之後你滾蛋 |
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你如果這個態度稍微改變一下之後,會有機會做出來的成果就會不一樣啦我對你們什麼總務處、對你們什麼,我也不在乎麻煩你們的,我不知道你們是誰啦你們想的人都另外一回事啦,但是本來這個就是你們該去做的事情啦我們也有做關係的,譬如說,你們如果去問主理公會的意見啦 |
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但是也有很多助理在說 工會裡面是老屁股啊它未必可以代表整個助理真正的一個需求啊但重點就是說 你立法院如果說我們不先解決停車的問題趕快去創上面辨識系統啦 或是要做機車專屬道啊就不好 現在要做的 但是你被本末倒置啦 |
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就說我需求你沒做出來你自己要做這個我不認為你這不應該做我也認為該做但問題是基本的需求你沒有去解決啦所以我是期待說必須要你這個好好地處理問題很小但是真的該做另外第二個就是說你日本人現在有做一個就是說強化車道的方法我們一百十三年一百十四年這些我都問過的問題就是說 |
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那扯下去後不要勒慘啦但成效看起來就是從助理那邊聽起來幾個辦公室問起來是說沒看到效果啦你一百十五年就今年的預算書裡面你就沒看到相關預算的編列啦你可能想說這預算可能不太大啦所以你就沒去衝啦但是呢就是說這裡你要怎麼去做一個改善 |
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應該是總務處處長我給他建議我給他建議我說明的說明比較看不到成效你能騎自動車嗎你騎兩台你就知道你要怎麼處理我都問你 你要叫立法院怎麼改變 |
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秘書是要讓他倒下酒 總務處要讓他倒下酒你說叫總務處處長把他站在桌上 站兩天他就知道要怎麼做了不是這樣說 來 處長來回答秘書長 這個大總管不要你來 你來等會兒說 比較大聲 等會兒再說話跟那個小妹都不是這個意思 來 |
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謝謝委員 為全體的夥伴來關心這個安全問題這個安全問題這兩年陸續一直有提案所以本來我們去年都在估它都是要重鋪車道第一個經費高 第二個要全部封閉那可行性比較低後來我們前一陣子也找到一種新的工法可能比較便宜的方式可以做我們已經廠商做了 我們最近就會把它鋪設 |
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那這個車道在前 這兩年我們都有做那種奈米塗層也確實有防滑效果那這一次我們會用另外一種工程去加強希望能把它改善 以上報告 |
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真的要去改善,你只要捨一天你就知道,你都不知道要叫喪,你都不知道,沒辦法,就在日本做人家的助理,現在現狀就是這樣而已,自己稍微去就好但是我要講的是說,立法院的助理,他可能,各研究室的助理,他的心態這樣算不錯嗎? |
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不是要自己去抗議 說李文貴秘書主席在做什麼李文貴在抗議行政委員都很厲害 對不對 大家都很厲害我們李文貴在要求別人 感到別人也很厲害立法院的秘書書 我說實在話全中華民國最不受到監督的一個地方就在立法院秘書書這大總管你要很清楚 |
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大家當作自己人 大家的事情都多 對你們都手下留情不然你們這些公務機關 公務人員 你們這裡如果當作一般行政部門你以為我們這裡可以洗洗到英文 我不給你騙所以大家是認為 啊那祕書處嘛我們自己都立法委員 也是立法院的成員之一嘛對你們特別客氣嘛 但是你們這種行政效率喔 |
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要說就說不完,我不會騙你,你只要整個縮小,改建對某些採購有的沒的,電腦有的沒的,當然那些有的是,必須你那時候要來啦但是看到這樣的一個效率,改觀問題太多,不好啦,這個真的我看機車這一題,眼睛看得見的總務處處長,有辦法嗎? |
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昨天已經跟助理說明 怎麼做 做到什麼程度 我們都有說明不是啦 不是只有說明 要有效果出來這不是只有我辦公室的人在騎機車而已啦這是每年下一個委員 人家的辦公室下一個助理我們立法院的組成裡面 雖然是立委 研究室的助理 其實剛剛很重要的一個 |
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最後一個問題要來請教我們大總管 |
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要叫你來,其實是很突顯的問題,要不然叫你來是要衝阿威,就不太嚴格但是,好不容易來,我就要請教,立法院的簽證部門,我看延宕也很久了,都要朝野協商,要見請召開 |
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這個問題是出在你一定的態度啦你一定的態度,你一定,如果韓國瑜這個人太沒型,你知道嗎你如果說一個比較好的話,他會教你的藝術啦他如果沒藝術的話,問題就出在你了,你知道嗎 |
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就是說你沒有把它當成一件事啦也許你考量的是社會的一個氛圍啦你考量的是說 喔這錢放下去花這麼多 社會不一定會接受這個我都懂 你知道嗎但是一種是你應該做的事情 要去做吧 |
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應該召開就召開嘛 也兩年後這樣是不是這樣說 秘書長謝謝 這個讓我一點點時間跟你報告來來來來其實我在這邊剛才有人問到啦其實我一直都在立法院啦其實這次來對這一個議題我是會相當關心啦非常關心 所以特別 |
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也招了有一位參事 也是這邊的專業啦其實我也跟蔡七郎委員 昨天有跟他報告過就是這個點啦 這個地點很難打開啦因為第十一屆 第十一屆你在嘛啊沒關係嘛 別跟你們 別跟你們說什麼嘛你既然列為草野協商的議題 你就把它交開嘛 |
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我現在的一個狀況是這樣我是希望說這一屆裡面能夠把它地點先定能夠定點當然有前置桌一定要做一些評估原來有六個在那圓山因為我也知道你在場 |
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院長有稍微提到他有想對園山有他有的想法那當然這一個參事是有提到一個就地改建的一個方案在那我想說那整個跟院長報告的比較完整以後我是希望能夠在協商裡面能夠夠黨能成立像第十屆有一個委員會來推動 |
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你連一個影子都沒有啊你跟他回答 跟他講 建請召開黨團協商室 議決程序跟地點以後來辦理規劃案進途了 他就跟他講問而已嘛這一點我是非常在意啦是 你也沒有一四人都做秘書長 |
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有這個機會 你無中生有 這個其實也是一大貢獻考量到社會對民脂民膏沒辦法接受什麼什麼 這個都可以考量嘛 |
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天啊 乾啊 都亂了做一個事情之後 大家都把你打破了那不可能啊那常常都是幾十年後以後你才會看到說哎喲 董妮你看看 那個韓國瑜 那個光頭院長跟那個大總管 那個周恩來他又 兩項不解釋 這兩項又對 |
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其實全世界各國的國會,大家都有去考察啦,我們台灣的國會比較幸運,不會看到啦,這真的是重點啦,那其他我看 |
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預算的順帶 今天跟你討論一下但我認為啊 秘書長你要把它當成重要的一件事情啦好不好謝謝 |