| IVOD_ID |
169655 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169655 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T11:11:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T11:25:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a08c85fe1a1e24a6d9c973fdce9687adafb12ebe7845b04eee1f29abad774ee0eac46a44ad82f52c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:29 - 11:25:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 本席有請游主委主委好 本席今天有兩題想跟您來就教 我們來討論一下首先就是公投綁大選 |
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這個部分這個公投榜大選在2018年的時候您也知道產生很大很大的問題所以現在這個公投榜大選的部分你們是不是有做好這個相關的的準備是 據我所知這個107年 2018年之後選委會這個 |
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就是說對這樣的一個情勢有做了相當多的研究所以如果今年有公投綁大選的話你們有做過模擬演練了嗎我沒有針對有十個公投的情況底下你們有針對幾個公投你們覺得負擔的了我的直覺啦用直覺喔 |
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所以沒有模擬過這個我要必須要這個比較慎重一點我覺得三四個公投應該是可以撐得住啦應該有模擬演練過嗎我看到你們的報告好像有寫今年十月要辦教育訓練十一月才要做模擬演練是這樣嗎報告裡面 |
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那這三次的模擬演練你們是電腦演練還是有人流那是講電腦計票的模擬演練吧所以真正實體的不是公投的模擬演練是電腦計票的模擬演練那所以如果今年年底公投綁大選的話你們完全沒有做好任何的準備 |
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有有有你們做好什麼準備沒有模擬演練然後您跟我說預測預測等到投票那一天出問題跟2018的時候那就麻煩了台灣實施公投我已經有20幾年的經驗了中選會這方面的經驗是可以信任的但是2018年那一次是一個特例從來沒有過有一次出現10個公投 |
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以至於造成選務系統幾乎瓦解那我問你幾個公投你不會有狀況當然有學者去做這種研究不是學者你們是執行單位你中選會你到底幾張公投就是有幾題公投的題目對你來說是整個的選務不會出現狀況我坦白講以我作為一個政治學者我現在是中選會主委 |
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我不宜回答您這個問題就是說三個四個五個六個坦白講沒有那樣的答案沒有那樣的答案有多少我們就辦多少啊 |
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我們有多少當然要辦多少但是你會依據有多少然後你們會去這個譬如說假設案子多的時候你當然投開票所你就要變多這點是有共識的吧這個部分是有那以現有的投開票所你覺得公投案可以擠案嗎沒有沒有預估 |
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我們不能主觀上去說最好幾個案子啦不是幾個案子,我是說以你現在的能量啊你們現在規劃的能量啊公投案你可以有幾案嘛我是不是能夠請我們的中規處處長那快一點,不要浪費北市時間可不可以暫停一下,你看這樣慢吞吞的主席拜託一下好,行務處 |
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報告委員有關說如果是有公投綁大選的話那我們本會到目前已經開過兩次選務工作協調會議那在第二次選務工作協調會議第一次是在去年開的是李竺偉時代開的第二次的選務工作協調會議裡面已經有針對說如果今年有公投綁大選有關說投開票所的設置投開票所工作人員這樣都沒有回答問題而且浪費了我快一分鐘 |
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你每位選民假設你有一案並公投那每位選民投票時間會增加多少三案又會增加多少五案你最晚幾點能夠完成最後一張公投票的開票所以這一塊你們到底有沒有模擬演練或有沒有預估 |
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這個部分目前是沒有預估但是以111年9合1然後加上一張修憲公投就是目前這一屆111年的9合1選舉那還有加一張修憲公投票那一次的開票地方選會大概在10點多完成那中選會這邊整個完成作業是晚上的11點48分左右那是幾案 |
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哇!那如果現在有三案怎麼辦假設執政黨、在野黨各有提議案的話你三案那你怎麼辦你們會增加投開票所那個時候勢必要增加投開票所所以地方選委會跟我們委託的研究案都是建議說應該要有案數的限制 |
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所以那時候一案你就到晚上10點那個是地方選委會投開票所結束大概是晚上10點那現在如果今年有三案那你們的投開票所會增加這個投開票所勢必要增加勢必要增加所以有三案你們就預估這個勢必要增加增加多少兩倍 |
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還是1.5倍還是怎麼樣目前還沒有具體的數字有請地方都在審慎的評估當中所以你們是看案子因為我知道大概選前三個月大概就會知道嘛然後你們才來規劃投開票所是這樣嗎投票如果要有公投案的話那依照公投法17條的規定是在投票日的90日前要公投那所以說以今年如果是要併今年的128的話 |
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今年8月29日之前要定案所以你們會在那時候之後你們才來規劃投開票所是這樣嗎是所以你們這個的規劃因為公投榜大選有兩種一種是立委跟總統一種是地方 |
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所以您講的那一次是地方選舉還是總統立委地方選舉那一次就是地方選舉因為地方選舉有五張選票所以大概只能併一案的公投那現在如果有三案有三案公投甚至如果有五案的話那你們真的要好好規劃不要再發生之前的這個八年幾年前了 |
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2018現在8年前的情況所以這一塊我們請中選會一定要審慎最後最後本席最後再問一題因為剛剛耽誤了我一點時間我們想知道現在現在的這個身為技術非常的 |
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非常的猖獗可以這樣講所以在這種情況下如果在選前最後48個小時48個小時出現足以影響選舉結果的身為影音那你覺得中選會你們有沒有一個譬如說綠色通道能夠快速的能夠來針對這種情形能夠對這個大選 |
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就這個選舉能夠有做出一個即時的 即時的一個澄清而不是等到法院 等到法院那都選完了這一塊 主委您的這個回答是我的意思我們對這個個案已經有一個非常具體的做法誰要來說明這個案 這可能每個選區都極有可能發生啊 |
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報告委員我們在選舉期間我們本會會在這個選舉期間本會會成立這個錯亞訊息的防制小組就選務的部分我們會做及時的澄清跟說明 |
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所以你的意思就是如果有這種情形你們可以多快像這種身為技術你可以你可以在兩小時內嗎還是多久因為這種情形極有可能就在選前24小時或48小時 |
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我們是針對這個選務的部分,如果有選務的錯假訊息的話,我們也會跟這個警政署或是那個所以只有對選務,那選戰的這種身為的這種情形 |
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我們中選會沒有辦法我們現在正在密切的跟各單位研議當中這樣會影響很大而且接下來這個我們會有具體的做法什麼時候會有具體的做法我們希望越快越好這個答案好像你越快越好是多快你多久可以給我們本委員會一個答覆一個明確的書面的答覆 |
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因為目前所謂AI因為我們選舉也剩幾個月而已這種情況每一個國家都很頭痛每一個國家也不敢說他能夠這個完全的掌握並且這個有一套很周全的辦法你們一個月內可不可以 |
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因為很快啊 這個不是中選會的問題而已當然 但是你中選會 而且台灣面對的選舉還有境外的敵對勢力 那就讓這個問題更複雜化中選會就是一個最重要 我們辦理整個選務我們中選會只有55個人 |
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重點在於這個單位是傳統來講把選務辦好有這個能力但面對新的環境新的這個情勢那些身為訊息的這種傳播傷害已經不是中選會這個單位可以獨立處理你不能獨立處理那你也要主導這個情形這影響選舉的這個結果嗎 |
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710.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
731.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們當然會盡力去做你想大選的結果嗎那當然我們會盡力跟各單位沒有盡力這種事就是說你中選會你一定要想辦法因為中選會你就是辦好這整個的選務嘛那選舉過程一直跟著時代的變化它會有什麼情況你中選會你就是要想辦法是 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
735.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
746.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
所以你一個月內可以給我們這個本委員會一個明確的回覆嗎如果您所說的是這一次選舉可能發生的所謂的身為的事情包括國內國外的那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
754.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
769.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
在這邊跟徐委員報告這個事情也不是中選會在這邊說了就算了你還是得因應嗎當然因應啊 我們已經在因應了但是我們必須了解這個問題的複雜性以及它的困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
774.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
797.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
沒有 複雜性困難度就是要你要來想辦法解決不行你當然要跟行政院整個研擬啊因為你就是辦理整個的選務你要想辦法這會涉及到整個國安系統還有選務系統所以你應該要跟這個行政院或者是相關單位主委你就是要想辦法去解決這個問題啊我們會這麼做的一個月後給我們本委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
804.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
824.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
明確的回覆可以嗎在幾個月大概這整個在五個在六個月後大概就要現在五月嗎11月對啊大概六個月後大概就要接近頭了就能三個月時間好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
826.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
836.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
三個月內三個月內給本會一個明確的回覆關於深圍訊息這個處理目前整個台灣我們怎麼面對這樣的一個問題所以我們覺得這個深圍不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
841.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
865.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
最近才有的所以今天問出來竟然都還沒辦法那要再三個月當然因為再三個月也可以你再三個月因為我們畢竟我們的大選是六個月後所以我們希望三個月後我們可以看到中選會的一個很負責任而且很完善的一個答覆好不好好謝謝許信英委員謝謝 |