| IVOD_ID |
169654 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169654 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T11:00:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T11:11:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a08c85fe1a1e24a6c4718b2047c3791eafb12ebe7845b04eee1f29abad774ee0eac46a44ad82f52c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:47 - 11:11:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請主委 謝謝 |
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因為年底有九合一選舉我們都希望說九合一選舉可以辦得很順利不要出現有那種選務不公然後也不希望有人干擾選務所以以下就幾個有關於選務的事情跟您討論第一個是因為我們現在投開票所好像看資料顯示說2026年的投開票所有比之前要更多2024年那時候是17795所到2026要到18225所所以又變多 |
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變多就意味著工作人員也要變多但是現在有一個問題就是意味著投開票所的選務人員要變多那我們都知道說選務人員多半都是公教人員來擔任問題是近年來公教人員擔任的意願也偏低所以有時候要招募蠻久的有時候要機關長官勸說拜託然後人還湊得齊那我是有看到好像 |
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主委你也想要去解決這個問題啦因為我看到你提一個方案我個人支持就是說針對公教人員除了他那一天的津貼之外還包括可以讓他補修兩天那教師的部分也是補修兩天但教師會遇到一個問題就是他們如果補修的話代課費又要自己出所以我看到主委說是不是連這個代課費都幫他出了那這個部分錢是誰是準備是編載哪一個機關 |
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我剛剛是還沒講到那麼具體,不過我覺得整個大方向上面如果相關部會,就是中央政府相關部會支持的話這個問題會比較好解決但是錢是要變在哪個機關?屬於哪一個機關就是哪一個機關所以是要教育部來出這個錢?如果是教師的話那當然就是 |
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因為公務人員沒有這個問題嘛公務人員補休他沒有額外付費的問題嘛只有教師要附帶課費嘛所以那這個部分你跟人總跟教育部溝通怎麼樣 |
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目前還沒有正式提到這個問題還沒提到喔 還沒去提喔現在我們只是收集來的各地的民意有這樣的一種那要快啦 因為現在已經五月快底了啦11月半年就 你籌備選務也不可能是在選也要很早就開始籌備嘛 人也要很快開始招啦所以有沒有一個期程啦 大概什麼時候會去做這個事 |
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目前還沒有這樣一張時間表啦不過我們來想辦法盡快好不好然後另外一個問題就是有一些選務委員會表達說有同工不同酬的問題啦譬如說像以我們新北市來講有些偏鄉他可能投開票所一天就是不大一百人 |
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但譬如說以我的選區來說,我們在板橋人口就非常密集,民眾非常多,幾千人都很有可是大家其實領的津貼是一樣的那有沒有考慮說在比較繁重的投開票所,津貼可以多一點這部分我可不可以請我們處長來講處長,簡單講就好 |
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報告委員那現在這個投票票所工作人員的津貼是依照選罷法五十九條之一他有定一個計算的基準那這個計算的基準在一百一十二年的時候有修正過那他是分別依照他當天那個選舉票公投票或是有其他的罷免票的票數的數量然後依照投票所主任管理員主任監察員不同的職務然後分別定有這個那個津貼知己的標準是這樣子的 |
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我知道如果你是主任管理員當然跟管理員不一樣嘛我現在講的是說依投票的人數也有分級是不是有分級嗎目前投票所的這個設置就是說原則上是一村裡要有一個投票所然後人數是以1200人為限那如果超過1500人就要分設那也不排除說有這個村裡他投票所裡面他的人數會比較少不到1200人的那也是有可能 |
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你好像沒有回答我問題 沒關係 你們再研議一下再來 想請教一下 也是跟選舉有關最近我在網路上看到很多人說 我要簽戶籍比如說這個人 我要簽戶籍到台北投給沈博洋那這個人 他可能是個人行為但其實我有在網路上 有人在號召說是不是我們簽戶籍到什麼地方去支持某某人 |
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那其實在去年罷免的時候就有出現這個狀況我常常看到說我們是不是簽到葉元之那個區去罷免葉元之在網路上號召說他事實要挑軟的吃所以去罷免他然後呢在我們板橋就有一個民進黨的議員因為板橋有兩區東區跟西區他的戶籍是在板橋西區但是他把戶籍簽到板橋東區來罷免我我怎麼知道呢因為我看到他新聞拍到他投票那請問一下這個有沒有干擾違反選舉公正有沒有主委 |
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這個就是所謂的幽靈人口問題啦這有沒有違反選罷法?有沒有構成刑法第145條的虛偽遷徙戶籍罪然後妨礙投票公正的有沒有?如果是根據戶籍的登記的話應該是沒有,可以不可以請法務處法政處處長 |
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報告委員那個我想戶籍的遷徙啊應該是每個國人的一個不是啊 我在講就是說為了選舉特別號召大家然後去圈到哪個區去投給誰這樣有沒有違反虛偽遷徙 |
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當然他簽戶籍是人的自由你針對我的問題回答好不好簽戶籍當然是人的自由這個事情有人挑戰嗎我現在講的是說他是為了要投票給誰或為了要罷免誰去刻意簽戶籍的這個有沒有違反選務嘛有沒有違反選舉公正嘛有沒有目前如果說選辦法的規定是說如果有虛偽簽洗戶籍的是有觸犯刑責有是不是有虛偽簽洗戶籍的 |
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有嗎?我剛講的狀況有沒有嗎?不要告謙虛,為什麼中選會回答這麼...都不願意為那問題回答呢?我剛講的那麼具體,如果現在網路上有人號召說請大家我們年底選舉的時候,簽戶籍到哪個地方去投給某某人這樣有沒有違法嗎?這麼簡單罷免的時候他不住在我這一區,刻意遷徙故來罷免我這樣有沒有違法這麼簡單,這沒法認定喔? |
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那主委來回答好不好如果根據目前的法令那應該是沒有違法啦沒有違法所以是可以喔沒有違法確定那這個刑法第146條意圖使特定候選人當選以虛偽遷徙戶籍取得投票權而為投票者議統這個法律就是有捏為什麼你又說沒有 |
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看這個條文的解釋是怎麼解釋因為主席站起來我壓力很大可是主席他們都不針對問題回答我沒辦法我問問題是什麼叫西委簽署你給我一個你針對我今天問題給報告最後最後再一分鐘還有一個有沒有方案選物的問題跟你請教我都拿個案來講 |
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這也是去年7.26投票在我那一區有我們的選民拍到的那這個人呢你看一下那個照片這個人他是在投開票所前面就是投開票所的入口他是一個廟所以進到入口都一定會看到他他寫謝謝你們然後右下角是一個娃娃這就是罷免的娃娃然後裡面講說怎麼台派什麼之類的一看就是罷免的宣傳好那這個娃娃大家看全部都同意罷免的步調 |
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那時候我們那個民眾看到之後就報警就警察到現場說這沒有違反選罷法那請問五位我們這邊不是有一條嗎在投票所開票下一個情勢在場宣老干老誘導他人投票這沒有違反選罷法嗎有沒有 |
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那要看距離多遠嗎他就是入口嘛 經過就會看到他嘛入口距離投票的地方到底有多遠不是啦 主委 那我問請教你去國小裡面投票 都設在教室裡面但總是要從校門口進去嘛那假設有人在校門口做選舉的宣傳可不可以可不可以所以現在選舉的時候是可以在校門口宣傳的喔 |
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我怎麼覺得你當執委之後都不敢講真心話都不敢講公道話我不會是那個樣子我不知道原來選舉的時候投開票的設在教室然後是可以在門口做宣傳的 |
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罷免一樣啊你罷免你怎麼可以在那個廟的門口投票票是在廟裡面然後在廟的門口做宣傳可以喔剛講話都聽不懂啊如果在投票日從事競選助選的活動這是違反選罷法的在投票日對啊那為什麼剛剛那個個案這麼明顯就站在路口然後秀出罷免的logo然後警察到現場說沒有違反選罷法為什麼 |
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所以你看我經過我這樣問學委會中選會的人回答都不清不楚那一般民眾又怎麼會清楚所以是不是因為請你們去把剛剛我講的問題仔細研議跟一份報告而且如果真的有問題的話請你做宣傳好不好什麼情況之下是可以的什麼情況是不可以的讓大家很清楚知道 |
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可以嗎我不為難主委因為你才剛上任沒問題好不好但是請這個問題要解決不是就獲悉你過去降綱好不好謝謝好謝謝葉委員 |