| IVOD_ID |
169649 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169649 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T10:17:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T10:26:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a08c85fe1a1e24a607ffa74c14e8a646afb12ebe7845b04eee1f29abad774ee0218123113ebae4d35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:31 - 10:26:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 陽前發言 邀請由主委 |
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我們在107年的時候就已經完成了罷免及公投案的電子聯署系統建制那這個經費也大約要超過了650萬元那公投電子聯署系統就在113年的時候就正式上線了 |
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那也經過了七次的資安的一個稽查跟修補改善但是罷免案呢電子聯署系統到現在還沒有上線那中選會呢你還沒有上任之前他是說罷免涉及個人名譽與公職去留為理由然後做一個持續評估 |
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那可是外界會認為你既然建制系統都已經做好了你長年不讓它上線那你是紙邊預算不敢開放啊的一個行政空轉所以請教主委那你現在你的看法呢會不會上線啊 |
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我跟我們的中規處處長他是負責研發這些然後非常熟悉這個業務我在這邊回答委員的這個提問在我任內 |
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罷免電子連署一定會上線好那你的認為表示你是認同本席的看法你只有說一個涉及個人名譽或公職區的這個大家我們被罷免過這是公開的訊息啊怎麼會拿一個這樣子的理由來搪塞呢對不對你既然已經見證好那你也說了你認同這樣的方式你請問大約什麼時候會上會可以上 |
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我們中選會必須依法行政法律有規定當然我們就依照法律去執行嘛但是中選會是一直都很慎重的一個而且你建制好了當然要依法行政啊對 所以我們要做 |
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我們要做 中選會一直都是一個對 你說你在你的任內會上線嘛是不是 對好 來接下來本席跟你討論喔115年今年度的預算裡頭呢你辦理及督導地方公職人員的選舉預算編了2364萬6千元比111年呢增加了586萬3千元那征服的是32.97%那你其中是宣導會 |
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場地佈置費、旅費以及選情中心人力等多項的經費你的編列是如此但是我們也看到你們是負責指揮監督然後地方的選務經費是編在哪裡地方的選務經費編在哪裡 |
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是地方行委會有他們的經費是編在地方政府嘛地方的選務工作費用是編在地方政府所以我們認為說選務行政肥大換你的目的是要做什麼因為最主要的選舉是一個民主的工程它並不是預算膨脹的工程 |
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因為你們提出了選民又有認為說你是不是會有選務支出的失控所以我要聽聽你的意見你們增加了32.97% 將近33%這些預算你要做什麼跟委員報告一下 |
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中選會的年度預算三分之二都是地方選舉委員會就佔了百分之六十六點幾中選會本身是百分之三十幾所以其實是請你針對問題回答好嗎你這個增加三十二點九七%到底要做什麼我們要了解一下我是不是請我們 |
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不是你請,是應該要請主席主席有沒有同意請這個哪個單位,請他上來立法院就是要照程序走嗎請什麼人這是我第一次啊你第一次啊,沒關係那我們,那請誰主席要經過主席同意啊來,請說明 |
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報告委員那關於說今年的這個督導經費有增加的部分那其實增加的主要部分是包括物價調漲啦辦理訓練那個這個訓練包括說我們這個請把麥克風轉過來一點才聽得到就是主要增加的項目跟內容有物價調漲辦理訓練那這個訓練包括講習座談所需印製文具 |
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你這本來就有在做啊所以剛剛項目我已經告訴你啦你是增加廠次還是怎麼樣啊因為增加到33%到底是增加什麼呢 |
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因為有物價調漲然後它的這個還有我們督導地方要去下去地方去你本來就在督導地方啦但是我們今年為了增加這個能落實會增加廠次然後它這個物價也會上漲像車票錢這些如果是旅費的話像住宿費那目前住宿費也有調漲 |
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你所現在到目前為止所報告的似乎還沒有辦法融入融納在你33%的增長你說你要增加廠次然後你說是因為物價調整車票增加這個邏輯怪怪的沒關係你把書面資料給本席你到底增加將近33%你是要做什麼我們要了解因為我們代表人民希望知道錢是花在哪裡書面資料給本席 |
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最後一個議題我們115年度裡頭你編列了160萬說是要委外檔案管理經費那這個因為你113年主委113年的時候你遭到了這個檔管局的評鑑他說有35項的缺失必須要改進而且他說要從69年到現在有100萬件的這個公文呢那麼需要提出改善所以呢也就是你目前編列了這個160萬 |
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幾乎本席看到是集中在補正以及就是目前重新編募補件這個檔案跟清查作業但是本席具體給你建議這不是160萬的問題而是制度的問題如果你沒有改變你的制度那你往後114年115年116年還是一樣會有這個問題一樣這個問題所以在你長期自動化管理跟這個週期性的一個 |
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檢核制度本身認為這兩項你必須主委你剛上任你必須要去制定這樣子的一個制度出來要不然你160萬你只有在補這些那一樣未來還是一樣這樣子這對不起人民的如果說連中選會的資料都會漏那麼多那我們的民眾要怎麼辦呢我要信任誰呢 |
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是不是游主委所以我具體建議你是不是應該要有數位化檔案管理機制而不是你只靠短期你還是委外你把160萬還是委外不可能你自己做你還是要在以前委外這樣去補救所以避免未來檔案缺漏的問題具體建議你的看法謝謝委員的指教就這部分請問 |
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主席能不能請我們秘書室不是啊 你的看法怎麼樣 秘書處你是主委啊 這制度性的問題啊我坦白講 這個 |
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關於檔案的管理當然是很重要的事情這也是我到中選會之後跟同仁開會的時候一再強調的中選會的檔案是非常重要的要怎麼樣去好好的整件事國家的保藏對啊你連中選會的檔案都這麼多萬都漏失了那人民要信賴誰呢可是我們中選會也有一個傳統我發現我剛到一個月今天正好滿月 |
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中選會一直都是非常節儉的一個機關很少提出預算的增加自我克制自我侷限因為時間的關係本身不是跟你講預算的問題本身是在請問你因為你是主委制度性的問題 |
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如果你依照目前還是把160萬就委外那一樣漏洞那麼多你漏的檔案還是那麼多所以本期具體給你建立也就是你必須要去建立自動化的管理跟週期性的一個檢核機制你贊不贊同嘛要不要做我們去好好的研究好好的研究要不要做好好的研究怎麼樣去處理他的可行性嗎一定要改變方法不要再有漏這樣子對不起民眾謝謝 |
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謝謝楊強英委員 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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楊瓊瓔發言，邀請游主委。 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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楊委員好。 |
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主委好。 |
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主委，我們在107年的時候就已經完成罷免案及公投案電子連署系統建置，這個經費大約超過了650萬元，公投電子連署系統在113年的時候就正式上線了，也經過7次資安稽查跟修補改善，但是罷免案在電子連署系統到現在還沒有上線，在你還沒有上任中選會之前，是說罷免涉及個人名譽與公職去留為理由，然後持續評估，可是外界會認為既然建置系統都已經做好了，卻長年不讓它上線，只編預算，不敢開放的行政空轉。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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所以請教主委，你現在的看法呢？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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會不會上線？ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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我跟我們的綜規處處長，他是負責研發，非常熟悉這個業務，我在這邊回答委員這個提問，在我任內罷免電子連署一定會上線。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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好，在你的任內，表示你是認同本席的看法，之前只有說涉及個人名譽或公職去留，這是公開的訊息，怎麼會拿這樣的理由來搪塞呢，對不對？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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既然已經建置，你也說你認同這樣的方式，請問大約什麼時候可以上線？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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準備好了沒？ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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中選會必須依法行政，法律有規定當然我們就依照法律去執行，但是中選會一直都很慎重的機關…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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而且你建置好了。 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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對，建置好了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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當然大家依法行政啊！ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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對，所以我們要做。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-05-27T10:19:49.175000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-27T10:19:49.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
好，你們要做是什麼時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.3 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-27T10:19:50.216000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-27T10:19:52.977000+08:00 |
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中選會一直都是一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-27T10:19:52.977000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-27T10:19:55.679000+08:00 |
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所以你說在你的任內會上線，是不是？對。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-27T10:19:56.439000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-27T10:20:27.336000+08:00 |
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接下來，本席跟你討論115（今）年度的預算，辦理及督導地方公職人員選舉的預算編列2,364萬6,000元，比111年增加了586萬3,000元，增幅32.97%，其中是宣導費、場地布置費、旅費以及選情中心人力等多項經費，你的編列是如此，但是我們也看到你們是負責指揮監督，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-27T10:20:27.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-27T10:20:29.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
然後地方選務經費是編在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-27T10:20:34.405000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-27T10:20:37.146000+08:00 |
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是地方選委會有他們的經費。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-27T10:20:37.146000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-27T10:20:43.007000+08:00 |
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所以是編在地方政府嘛，地方的選務費用是編在地方政府。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-27T10:20:43.687000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-27T10:20:48.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
所以我們認為選務行政肥大化，你的目的是要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-27T10:20:48.248000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:01.795000+08:00 |
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因為最主要的選舉是一個民主的工程，並不是預算膨脹的工程，因為你們提出了，那選民又認為是不是會有選務支出的失控？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:02.776000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:09.021000+08:00 |
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所以我要聽聽你的意見，你們增加了32.97%，將近33%，這些預算你要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:09.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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2026-05-27T10:21:34.936000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告一下，中選會三分之二的年度預算，地方選舉委員會就占了百分之六十六點幾，中選會本身是百分之三十幾，所以其實大部分都是地方政府…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.79 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:36.056000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:36.357000+08:00 |
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請你針對問題回答，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:36.357000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:37.637000+08:00 |
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你增加32.97%到底要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:37.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:38.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們要了解一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:38.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-27T10:21:39.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
好，我是不是請選務處？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-27T10:21:51.182000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:01.691000+08:00 |
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不是你請，是應該要請主席，看主席有沒有同意請哪個單位、請他上來，立法院就是要照程序走。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:02.932000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:03.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
謝謝，這是我第一次…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:03.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:04.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
請什麼人？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:04.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:08.657000+08:00 |
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你是第一次，沒關係，那請誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:10.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:11.560000+08:00 |
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要經過主席同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:11.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:13.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:13.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:13.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
來，請說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:15.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:38.023000+08:00 |
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報告委員，關於今年督導經費有增加的部分，其實主要增加的內容是物價調漲、辦理訓練，訓練包括講習、座談，所需印製、文具…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:38.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:42.301000+08:00 |
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這本來就有在做啊，所以剛剛項目我已經告訴你了。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:42.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:43.402000+08:00 |
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對，但是因為物價調漲…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:43.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:45.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你是增加場次？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:45.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:46.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
還是怎麼樣？場次…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:47.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:49.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你會增加到33%，到底是增加什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:50.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:56.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
因為有物價調漲，還有我們督導地方要下去地方看…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:56.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-27T10:22:58.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
你本來就在督導地方啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-27T10:22:58.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-27T10:23:09.225000+08:00 |
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但是我們今年為了能落實，會增加場次，然後物價也會上漲，像車票錢這些，如果是旅費的話，像住宿費，目前住宿費也有調漲…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-27T10:23:10.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-27T10:23:30.597000+08:00 |
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你到目前為止所報告的，似乎還沒有辦法容納在增長的33%，你說要增加場次，然後又說因為物價調整、車票增加，這個邏輯怪怪的，沒關係，你把書面資料給本席，你到底增加將近33%是要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-27T10:23:30.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-27T10:23:34.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們要了解，因為我們代表人民，希望知道錢是花在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-27T10:23:34.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-27T10:23:34.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
書面資料給本席。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-27T10:23:35.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-27T10:24:15.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
最後一個議題，115年度你編列了160萬是委外檔案管理經費，主委，因為在113年的時候遭到檔管局的評鑑，提出有35項的缺失必須要改進，而且從69年到現在有100萬件公文需要提出改善，也就是你目前編列了160萬，本席看到幾乎集中在補正、重新編目、補建檔案跟清查作業。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-27T10:24:15.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:00.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
但是本席具體給你建議，這不是160萬的問題，而是制度的問題，如果你沒有改變你的制度，往後114年、115年、116年還是一樣會有這個問題，一樣的問題，所以在長期自動化管理跟週期性檢核機制，主委，你剛上任，你必須要去制定這樣的制度出來，要不然你編列160萬只有在補這些，未來還是一樣這樣子，這對不起人民的，如果連中選會的資料都會漏那麼多，那我們的民眾要怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:00.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:01.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
要信任誰呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:02.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:03.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
是不是，游主委？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:04.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:22.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以我具體建議，你是不是應該要有數位化檔案管理機制，而不是只靠著短期……你現在還是委外嘛，這160萬是委外檔案管理經費，不是你自己做嘛，你還是一樣照以前的做法用委外的方式去補救，所以避免未來檔案缺漏的問題，本席提出的具體建議，請問你的看法如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:22.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:30.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
謝謝委員的指教，就這個部分，請問主席，能不能請我們秘書室…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:31.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:32.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
不是，我是問你的看法，怎麼要請秘書室？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:32.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:32.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
你是主委，這是制度性的問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:32.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:52.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我坦白講，檔案的管理當然是很重要的事情，這也是我到中選會之後跟同仁開會的時候一再強調的，中選會的檔案是非常重要的，要怎麼樣好好的……那是國家的寶藏啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:52.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-27T10:25:59.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
對啊，連中選會的檔案都有這麼多萬件漏失了，那人民要信賴誰呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-27T10:25:59.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:17.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
可是我們中選會也有一個傳統，我到中選會一個月，今天正好滿月，我發現中選會一直都是非常節儉的機關，很少提出預算的增加，會自我克制、自我侷限…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:19.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:39.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
主委，因為時間的關係，本席不是跟你講預算的問題，本席是在請問你制度性的問題，因為你是主委，目前看來，115年度編列160萬還是委外管理費，一樣漏洞那麼多，漏的檔案還是那麼多，所以本席具體給你建議，也就是你必須要去建立自動化管理跟週期性檢核機制，你贊不贊同？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:40.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:40.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
要不要做？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:41.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:42.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我們去好好的研究、處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:43.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:44.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
好好研究是要不要做？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:45.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:48.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
好好的研究怎麼樣去處理這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:48.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:50.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
它的可行性嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:50.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:51.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
一定要改變方法，不要再有漏，這樣子對不起民眾。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:51.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:54.534500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
謝謝委員的高見，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:54.534500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:57.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:57.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-27T10:26:57.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-27T10:26:57.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-27T10:27:03.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
接下來請鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-27T10:27:04.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-27T10:27:06.909143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
請鄭天財委員質詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |