| IVOD_ID |
169648 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169648 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-27T10:08:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-27T10:17:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a08c85fe1a1e24a655716e612d3879b3afb12ebe7845b04eee1f29abad774ee06ffb1ffb47bf31ea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:09 - 10:17:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝好請右主委請主委 |
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你好你好謝謝主委我想還是會著重在錯假訊息對選舉的影響主委你也是研究這些民調包含選舉的專家那來擔任這個職位我希望我們對於這些錯假訊息的這個 |
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對選舉的影響跟選務可以實際上來做最緊密的討論你知道嗎台灣在選舉主要政黨三個主要政黨之外有一個最大的政黨其實也參與台灣的選舉就是中國共產黨 |
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中共對台灣選舉他也成立了台灣地方選舉工作專組他在做什麼他在做 |
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研究統戰網路輿論來介入台灣的選舉那隨著AI的這些工具越來越進步越來越難分辨我們舉2018年的韓流配合電視台配合媒體配合半夜的新聞然後開始做整天的操作現在速度可能更快了現在台灣的這些錯假訊息 |
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其實上午可以一波,下午可以一波,半夜還可以一波那如果想要請問主委的意見對於選罷法第53條選罷法第53條是民調公布日要什麼時候截止這一條這個身為民調專家,你認為這個對選舉會造成 |
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什麼樣的影響目前的規定以及如果有討論要調整的規定的話各國對於是否限制民調發布這個做法都不一樣那以台灣的狀況以台灣目前的狀況這個10天 |
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之內就不能公布民調這一個做法看起來社會普遍都還能夠接受那如果調整成三天呢三天或許這個太急切了一點太急切什麼意思我的意思是說可能選民會不習慣那也可能會造成什麼影響你認為如果是三天前 |
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只有在三天前那就是說我的直覺就是說用民調的直覺那會讓我們所擔心的對操作的空間可能會變大會被操作的空間可能更大會被誰操作呢?我在這邊跟你說明 |
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這個針對中共借選其實非常大的數量,我們都可以看得出來那也根據國際智庫的研究,全世界被借選最嚴重的地方就是台灣而且不是台灣自己國內的政黨之間,還包含中國共產黨 |
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那所以這個問題我們不得不防啦,所以剛剛其他委員有建議的這個比如說韓國的例子每天少,然後我們要及時因應這些能力的話其實歐盟也一樣啊,歐盟有他的這個 |
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媒體平台的法律,如果借法的話,這些平台都是必須要馬上受到處罰,而且是高額的罰款所以我覺得中選會這個應該不要置身事外,應該要主動的來表達尤其主委你又是民調專家,你都認為會被影響了,那這個應該要公開的說明 |
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當然公開的說明對於這個沒宣的費用也是有直接的影響的剛剛有多個委員都表達對於這個媒體宣傳對於這個中選會的這些預算的支持那我也希望所有委員也對於這些媒體宣傳也要做一個支持另外剛剛有很多委員也講到選務人員的問題選務人員目前就一天大概一般的選監人員一天大概兩千然後可能補修一天 |
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那他們怕什麼?他們就是怕重演2018公投跟大選一起 |
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加班沒有加班費,還引來一堆責任說這個是選務人員有問題,中選會有問題,我想剛剛主委也有提到這些技術的問題也必須要克服,怎麼克服?你公投綁大選,如果公投跟大選一起,選務人員就怕啊為什麼招不到選務人員,除了待遇之外,除了你剛說的教育部也要支持之外,怕什麼?怕又遇到狀況,有風險啊 |
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主委我想這獵人所說的都是真的啦那我從兩個角度來看第一個2018年那一次的確是一個災難也有史以來第一次 |
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那我們希望說這個歷史不要重演所以中選會在這方面其實2018年之後也做了很多的演練就是希望如果再碰到的話能不能降輕他的傷害減輕傷害現在公投綁大選又過了所以究竟 |
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一次大選能夠容許或者能夠承受多少公投,這本身也是一個重要的問題啦這個也許我們也可以去研究看看好,你要趕快研究齁,那今年就會遇到最後來請選務處長齁,來主委你聽一下上一次我問選務處長,這一個全國不分區的這一個 |
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調查表格室裡面吼裡面有一個候選人的消極條件候選人消極條件裡面的規定下列人員不得申請為登記為候選人裡面有台灣地區人民在大陸設有戶籍或領用大陸地區護照你說中選,來來處長你說這個中選會的態度是怎樣 |
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報告委員,那個關於申請調查表上面那一欄,那那個是目前選報審議細則15條,它有增列的一個規定,就是說候選人在這個申請調查表上面,他必須去拒絕說他不具有外國戶籍或是...你有沒有審?目前這個表格是會在今年的地方公職人選舉...沒有,我說你之前回應我有沒有審? |
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因為以前那個審查的時候我們是依照公職選罷法的規定來審查有沒有審?那其實是有審有審?那你被騙了嗎?不是 總共我在說明因為有關說這個 |
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是否具有大陸的戶籍或是說它是否涉及滿10年這個規定就是兩岸條例21條這個規定那其實我們目前在選辦法適應性的15條裡面它規定繳交的表件只有戶籍藤本那戶籍藤本裡面它並沒有註記到這些部分那例如說那個所以你的消極資格裡面你就是被騙了嘛 |
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他那個消極資格第九條之一那個部分因為他在他的戶籍藤本裡面他並沒有這項註記所以你就是被騙了嘛消極資格你就是被騙了嘛 |
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其實也不是說被騙,是因為我們在沒有審嘛,沒有審到嘛我跟王處長也談了這個問題,談了很多次其實就是過去的表格,裡面並沒有一覽是關於國籍那新的,是否要放進去,那就是新的問題好啦,我做一個結論啦 |
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過去這個表格害台灣民眾黨以及中選會被詐騙我們必須要改進好不好同不同意好謝謝謝謝 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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主席謝謝，請游主委。 |
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主席 |
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請主委。 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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1 |
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李委員好。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:08:21.380000+08:00 |
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謝謝主委。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:08:22.301000+08:00 |
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我想今天還是著重在錯假訊息對選舉的影響，主委也是研究民調、選舉的專家，來擔任這個職位，我希望我們將這些錯假訊息對選舉的影響，跟實際上的選務，可以做最緊密的討論。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:08:55.512000+08:00 |
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你知道嗎？ |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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臺灣選舉有三個主要政黨之外，有一個最大的政黨其實也參與臺灣的選舉，就是中國共產黨，中共對臺灣選舉也成立了臺灣地方選舉工作專組，他在做什麼？ |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:09:15.931000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:09:34.002000+08:00 |
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他在做研究、統戰、網路輿論來介入臺灣的選舉，並且隨著AI這些工具越來越進步，越來越難分辨。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:09:34.002000+08:00 |
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我們舉2018年的「韓流」為例，配合電視臺、配合媒體、配合半夜的新聞，開始做整天的操作，現在速度可能更快了，目前臺灣的這些錯假訊息，其實上午可以一波、下午可以一波，半夜還可以一波。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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我想要請問主委的意見，對於選罷法第五十三條民調公布日要在什麼時候截止這一條，身為民調專家，你認為這個對選舉會造成什麼樣的影響，以目前的規定，以及如果有討論要調整規定的話？ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:26.472000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:33.019000+08:00 |
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各國對於是否限制民調發布做法都不一樣。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:33.019000+08:00 |
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那以臺灣的狀況？ |
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1 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:34.380000+08:00 |
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以臺灣目前的狀況，10天之內就不能公布民調，看起來這一個做法社會普遍都還能夠接受。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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如果調整成3天呢？ |
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1 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:50.745000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:53.986000+08:00 |
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3天或許太急切了一點，我覺得…… |
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李委員柏毅 |
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太急切，什麼意思？ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:10:57.788000+08:00 |
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我的意思是選民可能會不習慣，也可能…… |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:11:02.209000+08:00 |
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你認為會造成什麼影響？ |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:11:03.630000+08:00 |
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如果是3天前，只在3天前，我的直覺…… |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:11:15.725000+08:00 |
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用民調的直覺。 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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會讓我們所擔心的被操作的空間可能會變大。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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對，被操作的空間可能更大。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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但會被誰操作呢？ |
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李委員柏毅 |
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我在這邊跟你說明，針對中共介選，其實我們都可以看得出來數量非常大的，也根據國際智庫的研究，全世界被介選最嚴重的地方就是臺灣，而且不只是臺灣自己國內的政黨之間，還包含中國共產黨，這個問題我們不得不防啦！ |
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李委員柏毅 |
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所以剛剛其他委員有建議，比如說韓國的例子每天掃，然後我們要及時因應的這些能力的話……其實歐盟也一樣，歐盟有媒體平臺的法律，他如果觸法的話，這些平臺都是必須要馬上受到處罰，而且是高額的罰款。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:12:22.060000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:12:35.106000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得中選會不要置身事外，應該要主動的來表達，尤其主委又是民調專家，你都認為會被影響了，這個應該要公開的說明。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:12:36.527000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:12:54.399000+08:00 |
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當然，公開說明對於媒宣的費用也是有直接的影響，剛剛有多個委員都表達對於中選會媒體宣傳預算的支持，我也希望所有委員對於這些媒體宣傳也要做支持。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:12:54.659000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:08.372000+08:00 |
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另外，剛剛有很多委員也講到選務人員的問題，選務人員目前一般選監人員一天大概2,000，然後補休一天，但他們怕什麼？ |
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0.938 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:08.372000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:22.096000+08:00 |
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他們就是怕重演2018公投跟大選一起，加班沒有加班費，還引來一堆責任說這個是選務人員有問題、中選會有問題。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:22.096000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:28.178000+08:00 |
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我想剛剛主委也有提到這些技術的問題，也必須要克服，因此怎麼克服？ |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:29.619000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:33.460000+08:00 |
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當公投綁大選，如果公投跟大選一起，選務人員就怕啊！ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:34.421000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-27T10:13:35.621000+08:00 |
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為什麼招不到選務人員？ |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:35.621000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:41.884000+08:00 |
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除了待遇之外、除了你剛剛說教育部也要支持之外，怕什麼？ |
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0.958 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:41.884000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:45.241000+08:00 |
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怕又遇到狀況，有風險啊！主委。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:13:49.226000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:17.119000+08:00 |
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李委員所說的都是真的，我從兩個角度來看，第一個，2018年那一次的確是一個災難，也是有史以來第一次，我們希望歷史不要重演，其實2018年之後中選會在這方面也做了很多的演練，希望如果再碰到的話，能減輕他的傷害。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:19.640000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:21.141000+08:00 |
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會碰到啊，現在公投綁大選又過了啊！ |
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0.667 |
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游主任委員盈隆 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:23.322000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:36.628000+08:00 |
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是，所以究竟一次大選能夠容許或者承受多少個公投，這本身也是一個重要的問題，也許我們也可以去研究看看。 |
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0.957 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:37.048000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:39.030000+08:00 |
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好，你要趕快研究，今年就會遇到。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:39.410000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:41.933000+08:00 |
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最後，請選務處長。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:14:41.933000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:07.688000+08:00 |
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主委你聽一下，上一次我問選務處長，在全國不分區調查表格式裡面有一個候選人消極條件的規定，下列人員不得登記為候選人，其中臺灣地區人民在大陸設有戶籍或領用大陸地區護照。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:08.489000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:08.769000+08:00 |
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處長，你說中選會的態度是怎樣？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-27T10:15:13.680000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:29.563000+08:00 |
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報告委員，關於申請調查表上面那一欄，那是目前選罷法施行細則第十五條有增列的規定，就是候選人在申請調查表上面必須具結不具有外國戶籍，或是…… |
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0.857 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:29.863000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-27T10:15:31.904000+08:00 |
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對，你有沒有審？ |
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0.833 |
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王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-27T10:15:31.904000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-27T10:15:35.085000+08:00 |
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目前這個表格是會在今年的地方公職人員…… |
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0.944 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:35.245000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:36.785000+08:00 |
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沒有，我說你之前回應我，有沒有審？ |
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1 |
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王處長曉麟 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:37.747000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:42.694000+08:00 |
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因為以前審查的時候，我們是依照公職選罷法的規定來審查…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:42.914000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:44.136000+08:00 |
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有沒有審？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-27T10:15:44.396000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-27T10:15:46.459000+08:00 |
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其實是有審。有審？因為…… |
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0.778 |
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李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-27T10:15:46.739000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:47.160000+08:00 |
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你被騙了！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
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2026-05-27T10:15:47.721000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:12.443000+08:00 |
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不是，容我再說明，有關是否具有大陸的戶籍或是他是否設籍滿十年的規定，就是兩岸條例第二十一條的規定，其實我們目前在選罷法施行細則第十五條規定，繳交的表件只有戶籍謄本，那戶籍謄本裡面並沒有註記到這些部分，例如…… |
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0.768 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:14.485000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:16.467000+08:00 |
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所以你的消極資格裡面就是被騙了嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:17.791000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:24.206000+08:00 |
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消極資格的部分，因為第九條之一規定戶籍謄本的部分並沒有這項註記。 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:24.206000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:27.152000+08:00 |
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所以你就是被騙了，消極資格你就是被騙了嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-27T10:16:28.984000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:31.126000+08:00 |
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其實也不是說被騙，是因為我們在這個部分…… |
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0.778 |
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李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-27T10:16:31.466000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-27T10:16:32.747000+08:00 |
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沒有審、沒有審到嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-27T10:16:35.569000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:16:51.639000+08:00 |
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李委員，我跟你回應一下，就是我跟王處長針對這個問題談了很多次，其實過去的表格裡面並沒有一欄是關於國籍，新的是否要放進去？ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
游主任委員盈隆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-27T10:16:52.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-27T10:16:53.501000+08:00 |
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那就是新版的問題。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-27T10:16:53.501000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:05.621000+08:00 |
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好啦，我作一個結論，過去這個表格害台灣民眾黨以及中選會被詐騙，我們必須要改進，好不好？ |
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0.947 |
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李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-27T10:17:07.323000+08:00 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:08.645000+08:00 |
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同不同意？好。謝謝。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-27T10:17:09.145000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:11.716429+08:00 |
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感謝李柏毅召委質詢。 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:12.016429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:17.159286+08:00 |
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我們請蘇巧慧委員，蘇巧慧、蘇巧慧委員不在。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:17.459286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-27T10:17:20.316429+08:00 |
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我們請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。 |
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0 |