| IVOD_ID |
169561 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169561 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T13:03:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T13:41:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:38:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85cdbf3b0aa620b30f0ca1860e2f1c42d1af929c1ba330123fb5d8ce9dcc01387985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:03:34 - 13:41:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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副坤崎總裁質詢 |
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首先謝謝洪義祥召委今天來排定這個馬太安溪重建相關的事務進度了解讓國人能夠更加的清楚謝謝我們首先是不是先請內政部跟農業部請內政部跟農業部部長還有內政部次長委員好委員好 |
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請問一下這個內政部花蓮縣的面積是全國土地面積最大4600平方公里在台灣的八分之一現在目前我們打火兄弟這個消防目前的編制 |
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只有420人要負責整個4600平方公里這麼大的一個面積包括打火包括救災包括山難包括水災有任何需要救難的地方都可以看到我們打火弟兄的身影但是目前編制的員額420人地方政府也準備好了相關的預算 |
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但是目前只有實際只有368人這52人是不是能夠在今年把它補足 |
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好 謝謝昭緯的的推詢我想那個目前全國的消防員額的部分大部分都有些都沒有補足那我們在每年的那個考試分發的部分我們都會優先來做調整那也會針對幾個縣市政府的員額的需求我們這邊都會請消防署這邊來做調整你這是概括的說法 本席在請教你全國面積最大的地方4600平方公里只有420人的編制 |
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這樣子內政部都不能補足應該要盡快補足啊你不是在用這種官宣的方式我們怎麼不知道你們就是各縣市區分配本席在問420人這個問題問很多次了什麼時候可以補足委員是不是容我再請消防署來做一下說明 |
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那消防署在那個人員的禁用的部分這部分他因為他有一定的那個培訓就是警專警大這部分的培訓他有一定的一個實現那另外在短期內需要去補充這個人力當然就是要靠我們現在的一個義消以及志工那今天的主題是針對這個水災或台紅災害的這個問題那這個部分的話 |
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志工在上一次去年的那個馬太安溪的這個堰塞湖的災歷中其實他是解決人力問題的問題所以我們現在就是說第一個在這方法的部分修法在地方每一個鄉鎮市有協作中心那用運用的人力來源志工的部分就是加以培訓也就是防災室那另外還有加一些等於說替代役等等 |
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地方公所以及村裡這個部分會有充分的人力去執行這樣子的一個水災的工作那從根本的來解決那這部分在修法那另外每一個鄉鎮每一個村裡目前都有編列預算在做補助那以上檢要的報告所以還是沒有回答本席的問題嘛地方打火弟兄有義消這個鳳凰志工復宣還有巡守 |
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議警 民防 通通都有但這不是正式的編制原則啊24小時要上班的啊你半夜要找誰啊你們這麼大一個部 這麼大一個署這問題是今天發生的嗎 已經多久了不能永遠用這種官司說法你們要講到民國110年 120年 130年還是用這種說法4600平方公里 |
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只有420人內政部第一大部你們到現在這個事情都辦不好獎勵對官宣在講什麼本席聽不懂喔你們針對本席的問題書面立刻回覆本席了解了嗎 |
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解決問題不是丟一張S的紙給我那怎麼解決 要告訴本席請回那很簡單的問題嘛很簡單的問題嘛那氣溫不要搞這樣嘛還在這邊跟我講官司說法本席看這邊看了三十幾年還需要這樣跟我回答嗎 |
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我們今天盡量針對問題回答問題來 陳部長幾個問題我們就快問快答了 好不好現在淹沒土地的徵收有架構 有一地一地架構的部分都會盡量以實際的價格不要讓民間覺得受了災難之後還要再受土地徵收的損失 |
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這個部分可以明確說到嗎?我想我們也是朝這個方向,就是說對,你是朝這個方向,所以部長,請你承諾不要在這方面的民怨盡快完成,可不可以?對,我們會照這個進度,像7月查過完了以後,我們大概年底之前會完成這整個的一個徵收的部分,如果他願意的話好,不要有民怨,可以嗎?我們一定持續的在溝通,希望大家能夠滿意媒合的部分 |
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什麼時候可以媒合完成媒合的部分現在我們跟台南的地跟國產組織比現在的媒合的部分一個很大的問題就是我們現在所掌握的地跟馬太安的區域有交通上的一個問題啦所以雖然說找到地以後他不一定會過去但是我們看看還有沒有其他的誘因是可以讓他們願意到其他的地方去其他的誘因就是農業部可以給他相關的輔導 |
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整個配套的措施畢竟他原有的土地光復那個地方的土地原本就不是肥沃所以農民 農友已經花了很多的時間做土壤的改良成功耕作現在換一塊新的土地要重新再來做整個土壤的整個要花很多時間你講的這個我們絕對可以協助的好 |
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那架構的部分年底前完成梅河的部分什麼時候可以完成923之前可以完成嗎不是梅河的部分就是我們會有像您剛才說的這些異地的部分如果需要這些土壤改良我們會來協助他也甚至於不需要出錢我們來協助但是畢竟還是要願意進來啦我剛才說的那個交通的問題可能要做一些一些想辦法解決部長給你這麼多的預算好不好你手握這麼大的工氣這麼大的資源 |
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如何如何在你的本業啊你的專業裡面去跟農民溝通我想這是很重要的工作盡快來完成那另外啊對於這次擴大整個提房徵收的這個範圍啊包括這些農林漁牧等等啊請務必啊要用市價來徵收本市再強調一次他現有的財產剛剛蓋好 |
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農林漁牧在那裡本來地方就業就少已經在那裡投資 已經在那裡剛剛起步要生根建置完畢突然收到一紙公文說要 相關的那些土地要被徵收所以我想啊 部長你應該跟共工程委員會 |
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內政部相關的部會到地方去再做一次很清楚的座談把這些民怨再排除不是快閃我們真正要解決問題也不是去過以後提出了80個100個問題然後回來再一個官宣給他們這樣是不行的我們希望說很務實的來解決現在的民困 |
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部長可以排個時間跟內政部還有這個工程會 |
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一起到災區去我想我們一定非常樂意在災區聽取農民的聲音然後第二個部分就是我們現在做相關的茶菇也是用市價去茶菇我如果不用市價的話我就用公告地價馬上就可以解決了所以我們一定是確保農民的權益的前提公告地價這不是喊口號啦對嘛所以我們用市價去茶菇嘛市價茶菇但是市價要真正是符合市價現在不是土地的部分而已 |
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還有地上物的部分 這個就是我們委託專業團隊去查過而不是我們自己人去 還有地上物今天增值最大的很多都是地上物再過來我們那個下游的部分 鳳林相關這些西瓜的瓜農鳳林的西瓜叫做國宴瓜國宴瓜是台灣品質最特優的地方 |
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現在這些被這個土地核酸區不予承輸以後這些瓜農可能轉做的部分請農業部能夠給他們做一個專案的輔導可以嗎 |
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輔導是可以的但是因為現在工地的部分因為河川的部分可能不再適合去種這個西瓜那我們後續看看用什麼樣的方式能夠協助說他在其他的地方能夠從事他的本業西瓜業或是改種其他的作物我想這個我們會來專門輔導好接下來就是萬榮鄉就是除了光復以外包括萬榮也有很多的種摘區這個覆蓋土有50公分以上的 |
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這個部長你現在處理的方式為何 |
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我們基本上在我們分兩個部分50公分以下我們又分20跟50 20可以馬上立即復耕的部分我們會協助然後50公分需要整地怪手間去整地那50公分以上的我們現在目標大概100將近160公頃左右我們是希望他能夠變成一個造林區不管是協議架構或者是是相關的這些這些造林但是如果 |
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他沒讓那麼高 他可能是60公分或50公分我們也願意用更好的方式去輔導他去做一些逐步的土壤改良這些盡快以書面回復本席同時到地方再辦一個座談因為當天這個部長也沒有去這個現場災區這次經濟委員會去大概陳部長比較忙沒有去 |
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本席現在跟您詢問的都是當天地方災民所提出來的問題要盡快去處理我們一直在協助我們的農民包括我們的團隊包括改良黨的團隊怎麼樣讓他願意種的話我就直接協助他們馬上就8個月了後天就8個月了8個月了盡快讓農民知道何去何從 |
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再過來縣農會被徵收了20公頃的土地包括先堆置這些的這些佔置土等等我想這個部分縣農會正是平常在支持農民在輔導農民的在地方第一線跟農民常年在合作的常年在支持農民的 |
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所以呢征收的方式還是以地易地這個陳部長給他們多一點的選擇可以嗎 |
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不過這個部分我想我們會在這個整個的一個馬太安專案會議裡面去把它提出來那因為它被徵收的當初的一個目的那是不是一個臨時性的還是永久性的被徵收如果是永久性被徵收的話以我們對農業的輔導的話我們一定會想辦法去讓它還有其他的地能夠持續去做農會的一個營運 |
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部長的意思如果是暫時性的話暫時性相關的補貼的費用也要講清楚對所以我說要在因為如果是永久性的徵收的話地方農會是希望能夠以地一地他們能夠繼續的從事相關的對以農業部對於農業農會的輔導我們一定會主動的去協助他找到相關的地這個陳部長本席還是要再一次的提醒你 |
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在之前的四方會議裡面有一再提到當驗射服務發生一流還是潰壩的時候要儘快釋放海嘯警報貴部完全沒有釋放黃金的逃難40分鐘就此消失台灣多地震未來還有多少驗射服務會發生我們不曉得但是一個完整的機制要盡快建立 |
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預警的警報系統要盡快建立部長可以嗎我們現在已經在重新去處理包括驗射壺現在因為只有5000萬噸但是相對的它兩邊的土石有可能成了新的驗射壺所以我們也匡列了不同的情境之下所跟縣政府做避難計畫的一個設計跟演練那這個部分就是會再跟地方政府去做加強的一個溝通包括演練的部分 |
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演練當然要來進行但是所有相關的預制等等行政院在防中心要做一個完整的配套不是不是撤離697人預制的軍卡跟兵力跟撤退8600人中央沒有增加一部軍卡沒有增加應援兵力同樣的能量叫鄉鎮公所執行單位要怎麼來進行 |
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這以後可以慢慢檢討啦本席是提醒你啦四方會議都有錄音的啦也有會議紀錄但你們沒有做我覺得這個沒問題另外現在調查局在調查法院在調查我覺得可以尊重這都很清楚本席現在就提醒你悲劇不要再上演還有很重要的不是剛剛講的幾千萬噸在旁邊上面還有2.4億萬方 |
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1005.592 |
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4億噸的沙土在上游部長請回請交通部、經濟部委員好這個交通部是次長這個現在整個光護箱的重建 |
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這個觀光的推展請問一下交通部到底有什麼因應作為你們讓本席知道一下全觀光部的鄉親中區的鄉親都很好奇我們交通部到底做了什麼觀光署到底做了什麼是不是跟全國國人講一下 |
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觀光的部分我們就是還是去輔導當地那第二個呢可能未來會推動國旅的部分來振興未來可能喔所以從去年9月23號你們睡覺睡到現在未來可能 |
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報告委員 這個因為是新興計劃所以預算的部分可能要等115年的預算核定後才能處理這可不可以115年預算不要鬼扯嘛本期好心好意來跟你談不要再用這種清涼式的亂講我跟委員報告那個有幾個 公共署的預算這麼多有幾個公共署的 三百億的預算在那裡 |
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原則上光屬會推動受風還有復旅還有御禮幾個地方的這個重鼓以及相關的這個觀光推展活動 |
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那這個後續我是不是把資料再給您 因為有好多件事但是本席請教的不是受封御禮婦禮 本席請教的是萬榮鳳林光復災區的觀光的重建 貴部有什麼積極作為 |
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本席國語說的不清楚嗎謝謝委員那個萬榮的部分他有縱谷的相關的部落旅行的推展那山谷音樂會大概也會在蒙古木魚辦理所以有相關的活動在推動中部長不是次長是請你們陳部長非專業也不認真的部長 |
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政治掛帥的陳部長盡快到災區去看一看災區現在觀光是什麼樣子陳部長如果還是很忙有授權您的話請你盡快過去跟工工程委會一起過去可以嗎是好 謝謝經濟部請問一下 |
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對於光復鄉的產業振興有哪些積極作為 有哪些成效八個月了是 產業振興的部分其實我們對商圈 對市場的部分其實市場 公有零售市場的修復也已經完成了那商圈的部分我們也會辦一些行銷活動那當然也結合什麼時候要辦五月份 好像應該下禮拜就有辦一些行銷的活動 |
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喔 這麼巧 本席今天下禮拜要辦了可以公告一下嗎可以可以 可以 沒問題最好每個月辦 好不好要有成效要有成效 好不好經濟部會有這麼龐大的資源你們跟交通部觀光署應該一起合作嘛找國內的旅行者 國旅嘛 |
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看怎麼樣大家做一個完整的配套有什麼優惠的措施讓更多人走進去嘛 一起來關心嘛是可以嗎 可以可以的現在有310的預算給您使用 好不好好另外經濟部啊在這裡啊 真的要交通部 經濟部 好 |
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那個工程會工程會啊工程會啊工程會跟經濟部一起好吧謝謝啊今天是副主委來嗎是嗎對副主委中文部副主工程工程會的副主委周勛元副主委是不是 |
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工程委員 李毅德副主委這個副主委請教一下現在副主委你現在已經是幾乎是行政院的層級你現在是副院長的層級曾經的主委現在是院長的層級因為過去不管是莫拉克風災 |
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88水災還是921大地震重建委員會都是行政院院長來擔任現在不曉得卓鴻胎院長在忙什麼然後請這個工工程委員會來擔任這個重建委員會的主任委員陳金德先生擔任代行這個行政院長相關的工作所以啊 |
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縱向 你沒有縱向 你是最高指導對下面這些各部會啊還有地方政府鄉鎮公所整個重建啊要請這個副主委啊能夠啊盡可能我們李毅德副主委拜託你們能夠全力的投入第一個問題現在這麼多的這麼多的清出來的這些沙土在那裡 |
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要请问要如何去化 |
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要如何去化?跟委員報告啦齁那當然這個新出的商品我們已經開過一次會囉是是是我們在四月份有跟那個委員開過一次會啦齁那現在大概幾個方向也都在進行當中第一個當然就是說我們一些土砂就是限地的工程就是可以做填方來使用啦齁那第二個當然就是去加大那個整個盤點的量能來擴大那個東砂北運的這樣的一個量能 |
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那第三部分呢我們大概還現在也在盤其他的比如說我們在花蓮沿海這邊有一些海岸的沖石地區是不是可以就近的去做這個填足這也在評估當中那所以我們大概會有這些方式來做那有一些齁有一些就是像比如說農業種摘區這個他可能就是就地我們看是有土方流失在那邊多少然後重新做一個高層的重新的重抓 |
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讓農業部去做一個整體規劃重裝之後那個整個水路跟道路就一併再重新來規劃設計但是這個過程中的話我們大概還是會有一些權宜的這些措施來確保當地的地區能夠比較不容易自災啦謝謝副主委你們現在所做的相關的規劃但是現在還是暫置在光復鄉 |
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你們目前還是暫置不管暫置在河床裡面也好暫置在台塘土地也好目前都還在暫置現在防汛期到了本席在這裡特別提醒一場大雨來地方政府好不容易把水溝清一清好一場大雨來又到水溝裡去 |
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這個重複這樣的循環你們終究解決的辦法應該很積極的拿出來本席上次你請教過你們可以去詢問到底從各種溪流下來的這些砂石一般是流到太平洋去就是流到太平洋去為什麼我們這些清出來未來幾千萬噸的這些砂土能不能直接 |
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倒置在太平洋裡面 把它清乾淨以後倒置在太平洋這個比較複雜一點 需要再詳細評估因為畢竟他的路程 他不是說太平洋就在旁邊太平洋就在旁邊不是 但是你從因為到花蓮港你從現在鳳林這邊再沿著花蓮溪只有40公里你這個回答我不滿意喔 |
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我跟委員報告不是在否定委員現在提出來的想法但是任何的想法不是你不能否定嘛因為你不能打嘴砲嘛你如果不搬出來要搬到哪裡去呢跟委員報告就不是打嘴砲所以才會講得比較清楚你才需要詳細評估嘛詳細評估要到什麼時候現在那些不斷在惡性循環你沒有看到嗎 |
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1544.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1570.945 |
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我想這個有階段性的處理方式我們當然是以不要再讓這個我們現在在處理過程當中產生的這些土砂然後去影響再造成第二次傷害嘛那可是第一個還是要先把那個現在去的話不管是送到西部也好還是送到水泥廠也好還是送到哪裡去也好路程都是一樣你都一定要出來最近的地方叫花蓮港 |
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1572.435 |
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1580.924 |
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對不對 還有什麼路程的問題你不管去哪裡 除了就地 你們所謂的超級堤防超級堤防 你們的堤防越蓋越高進一步十年不輸菌馬丹西幾年沒有輸菌 進一步幾年沒有輸菌 |
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1593.166 |
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1621.426 |
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還要回憶喔包委員你們都有公告啊幾年沒有回憶我們其實在馬太安都有定期跟縣政府我們也有輸不要去扯其他單位啦主管單位是你啦有我們都有共同在輸菌九合局水利署幾年沒有輸菌回答本席的問題不用牽扯不用牽扯那麼多我們即使去年都還有在輸菌啊去年什麼時候去年什麼時候五月六月你們有公告嗎我們都有輸啊 |
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1622.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1635.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
去沒有公告公告在哪裡 本席調查你多少資料出來我跟委員報告我們最主要現在我現在告訴政告經濟部不要老是在這裡嘴硬到去年5月 你說準備輸進2016年到2025年那你們在幹嘛核藏品路面高9年不輸進 |
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1650.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1673.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
草菅人命 罔顧地方的安全體防拼命加高這就是水利署啊 這樣子排水啊光復附近有多少條溪啊可以越加越高就可以嗎10年不輸菌現在加高體防就好你們常年每年都做 今天有這個問題嗎水利署我回去了 |
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1681.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1703.544 |
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所以經濟部全部剛剛農業部講的現在司法調查中本須尊重但是你們所有的輸進都有公告你們自己回去看一下不是現在後面可以偷改偷加的啦十年荒廢造成這麼大的災難 |
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1704.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1730.628 |
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到現在還是經濟部本期實在是碰到你們經濟部剛剛大家一直在講這個表不要了大家一直在講說淹水5月15號又來了公共城委員會很厲害馬上就講地方政府地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1733.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1755.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
所以沒有做好水淹進來那我請教一下那個工程會副主委你先請他們哪個部分有問題我想這個是在那個就是剛剛有提到就是有一個那個縣管河川那個備水堤的工程因為他設計就是480公尺可是有一個大概幾公尺施工變道下去那剛好那天的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1757.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1773.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
就是可能在那個溪盤那邊第一個他沒有水位監測器那再來就是那間的雨量比較驟降下來所以他就從那個便道整個整個那個開口啊就跑出去您是副主委耶你到今天還在講故事啊整個過程你還不清楚啊水從哪裡來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1779.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1804.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
雨量集中在那個地方 它就上面這樣過去然後水的水勢比較高就滲進去現在我的施工便當是在上游欸喔沒有 就是在上面這邊 它是上游啊不是上游 這是在上游淹過去啊它是回灌回來的 從哪裡回灌的從哪裡回灌的 應該是花蓮溪那裡啦它是接花蓮溪啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1807.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1834.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
馬達納西來來來馬達納西接花蓮西看一下下一張下一張再來再來北溪要讓你了解這個是九合群施工的變道他的寒管就堵住了堵住了最後水回堵回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1835.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1847.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
所以回顧回去 報告委員 這個事實上是去年在應該是 這不是最近的照片啦我們事實上完成以後的這些 請問有閘門 最後挖開是誰去挖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1851.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1867.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
我們後來已經有做一個閘門在那邊 而且我們閘門都有 閘門有沒有堵住沒有 我們有影片 我們有影片我們這次影片 影片送給本席是 影片可以給你看 就是說他的排水是順暢的沒有關係 本席也會再找你 是沒有問題最後旁邊土是誰挖開的不用挖排水自然 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1878.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1888.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
這個原來是個開口題吧委員談的是開口題 我們後來把它改成了閘門沒有關係 今天委員會 本席會跟你長相左右齁是沒有問題 我們都可以提供資料影片請快送過來還有經濟部本席再提醒你一下齁你們所有的影片齁很好趕快提供本席啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1907.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1928.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
不只有錄音還有會議記錄四方去年8月11號千交代萬交代經濟部要把兩個開口笛補起來前年李康瑞台風就是從那裡驗到佛祖街前年11月嚴過一次去年要你們補那兩個開口笛還是不補還是從那裡進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1931.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1952.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
這不只有會議紀錄還有錄音 通通都有你們到時候一個司法單位講吧好 再過來現在工程會 我要請教一下我們現在300億第一期變成270億270億裡面發包了255億嘛 對不對還有15億的預備金嘛後續還有30億嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1960.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1976.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
因為啊現在還初步就還有45億可以用是不是可以把這45億請工程會也不是主管機關盡快到地方去跟地方來座談可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1978.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2007.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
對於災民救助的部分災民救助的部分但是民運現在聲音這麼大一直沒有解決一直沒有解決我想跟委員報告一下因為那個馬太西的部分因為現在水利署正在規劃就是馬太西北岸萬榮的部分因為想說讓他保護的更完善一點所以有考慮要徵收取得馬太西北岸大概400公頃的這些土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2008.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2034.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
那如果這個把這個東西定案規劃算進去之後其實我們不管是剩下30億再加上預備金現在也沒有到那個剩下那個15億加進去它其實經費還會短缺我忘記大概有十幾億30億還是40億的短缺的金額啦短缺可以向立法院提出來啊可是這樣就會超過我就是說300億去算的話我們條例不是不能改啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2037.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2061.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
賴總統不是說條例不夠可以再加條例嗎我只是如實跟委員報告現在這個狀況我們也是如實照賴總統講的告訴你不是嗎我是說剩下的30億救他就完整的把他救完嘛我們就盡量把他救完 不夠錢的話我們再來想辦法地方的民怨要趕快解決 好不好另外現在整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2063.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2075.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
施工整個重建的進度你們跟不管是 現在250億的部分中央執行是多少 經貿是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2079.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2104.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
根本我現在手上沒有中央跟地方分別執行的金額啦不過大概就是很多的計畫就是在軌道上在進行啦大概七成多八成中央執行就是各部會把它單起來在做嘛然後地方的話大概三成多有沒有四成我不曉得兩成多三成現在是多少沒關係沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2109.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2127.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我們現在持續來追蹤列管啦 進度上追蹤列管 很好請追蹤列管啦 既然副主委說追蹤列管你們就要保持每一天都要密切的聯繫是 會的 一定會有那你們的這個質詢力啊你們在經費支付的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2136.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2154.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
支付的進度交給鄉村公所還有這個縣政府大概現在起付的金額大概多少如果他有有有核銷來請款的話就是有些是有就是一定是馬上給啊沒有任何拖欠的問題他什麼樣可以來請款 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2158.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2185.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
有些是已經預撥下去了吧直接撥了啊 都直接撥了啊比如說像那個內政部補助縣政府做的那些不管是清淤啊 還是排水啦還是說那個道路的這些工程啊 或者是說你們什麼時候撥款的什麼時候撥款的不是都有撥嗎撥款的進度啊 撥款的進度啊計劃核定嘛 啊他要請款嘛他沒來 縣府只要來請款就會進度核定啦你們錢都撥了什麼還沒有來請款 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2188.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2210.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
有些是先撥了嘛很多撥了啦很多還沒有來請啦請款之前要做哪些工作要核銷啊要核銷對不對要發包對不對他發包要核銷然後他反正就核實的看是階段到所以這是有一個前置的一個進度在那裡嘛對不對啊你們下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2217.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2237.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
這個東西是根本現在你們已經撥款了然後你們這個數字也不去調整跟地方政府也沒有做好一個聯繫的工作不要把這個錯誤的圖卡還放在你們那裡地方政府依照設計規劃發包決標然後錢還要送議會審查通過才會跟你們請款對不對什麼打這個鈴 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2246.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2274.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
數字趕快調整你們幾副的錢都已經下去了數字趕快調整我們何時來更新啦要更新不要再給側翼來這裡詐問詐答不要演這種戲做到哪裡我們就做到哪裡有核銷有聯盟好 不要在這邊唱戲就在就認真一點趕快把它重建完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2275.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2285.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
不要雙方在那邊故意拿一個零來問你們自己撥的款都20%了怎麼會是零我們水利署撥的更多好 謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-21T13:03:49.741000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:04:02.628000+08:00 |
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首先謝謝洪毓祥召委排定今天的馬太鞍溪重建相關事務進度報告，讓國人能夠更加清楚，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-21T13:04:03.368000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-05-21T13:04:05.489000+08:00 |
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現在是不是先請內政部與農業部？ |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-21T13:04:05.690000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-21T13:04:09.932000+08:00 |
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請內政部次長與農業部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-21T13:04:09.932000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-21T13:04:10.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
吳次長堂安 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-21T13:04:10.332000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-21T13:04:13.594000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-21T13:04:19.018000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:05:15.385000+08:00 |
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請問內政部，花蓮縣是全國土地面積最大的縣市，4,600平方公里，占臺灣的八分之一，但目前我們消防人員的員額編制只有420人，負責整個4,600平方公里面積的打火、山難及水災等救災工作，任何需要救難的地方都可以看到打火弟兄的身影，但是目前編制員額只有420人，實際人數更是只有368人，地方政府也已經準備好相關預算，缺額的52人是否能在今年補足？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
吳次長堂安 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:18.033000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:05:36.786000+08:00 |
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謝謝召委的垂詢，目前全國的消防員額大部分都沒有補足，我們在每年考試分發的部分都會優先調整，也會針對幾個縣市政府的員額需求，請消防署進行統籌。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:37.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-21T13:05:38.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
你這是概括的說法！ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:38.768000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:05:52.991000+08:00 |
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本席再請教你，全國面積最大的地方，4,600平方公里只有420人的編制，面對這樣的情況，內政部都無法補足，應該要儘快補足啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:53.631000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-21T13:05:58.392000+08:00 |
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不該是用這種官宣的方式，我們怎麼會不知道你們就是各縣市去分配！ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:58.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-21T13:05:58.912000+08:00 |
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本席詢問這個420人的問題已經很多次了，什麼時候可以補足？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
吳次長堂安 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-21T13:05:58.932000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-21T13:06:00.453000+08:00 |
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委員是否能容許我請消防署說明？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-21T13:06:00.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T13:06:17.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-21T13:06:17.329000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:06:33.255000+08:00 |
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消防署在人員進用的部分有一定的培訓，也就是警專、警大在這部分的培訓有一定的時限，另外，在短期內要補充人力當然就是得依賴現在的義消及志工。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-21T13:06:33.915000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:06:48.820000+08:00 |
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今天的主題是針對水災、颱洪災害的問題，關於這個部分，志工在去年馬太鞍溪堰塞湖的災害中其實是解決人力問題的主力。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-21T13:06:51.441000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:16.232000+08:00 |
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因此，第一個是在災防法的部分修法，在地方每一個鄉鎮市有協作中心，人力來源在志工的部分就是加以培訓，也就是防災士，另外還有像是替代役等等，讓地方公所及村里有充分人力執行這樣的水災工作，從根本來解決，這個部分會再修法。 |
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0.673 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:16.472000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:21.315000+08:00 |
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另外，每一個鄉鎮、每一個村里，目前都有編列預算給予補助，以上簡要的報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:22.676000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:24.117000+08:00 |
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還是沒有回答本席的問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:25.398000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:07:41.354000+08:00 |
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地方打火弟兄有義消、鳳凰志工、婦宣、巡守、義警、民防，通通都有，但這些都不是正式的編制員額啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:41.374000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:41.614000+08:00 |
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都不是24小時要上班的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:41.794000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.054000+08:00 |
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你半夜要找誰啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.114000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.415000+08:00 |
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你們這麼大的一個部、這麼大的一個署，這個問題是今天才發生的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.415000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
已經多久了？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:42.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-21T13:07:43.175000+08:00 |
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不能永遠都用這種官式說法，你們一定要從民國110年、120年到130年都還是用這種說法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-21T13:07:43.195000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-21T13:08:14.379000+08:00 |
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4,600平方公里只有420人，身為第一大部的內政部到現在連這件事情都辦不好，講了一堆官宣是在講什麼，本席聽不懂喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.702 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:15.380000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-21T13:08:16.100000+08:00 |
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你們針對本席的問題，立刻以書面回復本席，暸解了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳專門委員建男 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:16.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T13:08:32.687000+08:00 |
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沒有問題，我們消防署回去後會將這個部分以書面報告呈給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:32.687000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:08:34.268000+08:00 |
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解決問題不是丟一張A4的紙給我，而是要告訴本席該如何解決，請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:34.568000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-21T13:08:34.688000+08:00 |
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很簡單的問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:34.768000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-21T13:08:34.968000+08:00 |
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很簡單的問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:35.348000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-21T13:08:35.609000+08:00 |
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氣氛不要搞成這樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-21T13:08:35.769000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:08:38.570000+08:00 |
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還在那邊跟我講官式說法，本席在這邊看了三十幾年，還需要這樣向我回答嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:03.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:08.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我們今天儘量針對問題回答問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:08.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:15.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
陳部長，幾個問題，我們就快問快答，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:15.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:18.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
現在淹沒土地的徵收有價購、有以地易地。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:21.023000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:09:32.667000+08:00 |
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價購的部分能夠儘量以實際的價格，不要讓民間覺得受了災難之後還要再受土地徵收的損失，這個部分可以明確做到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:32.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:34.008000+08:00 |
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我想我們也是朝這個方向，協議價購的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:35.049000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:09:41.414000+08:00 |
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對，你是朝這個方向，部長，請你承諾不要再有這方面的民怨，儘快完成，可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:41.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:47.499000+08:00 |
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對，我們會依照這個進度，在7月查估完成之後，如果他們願意的話，大概在年底之前會完成整個徵收的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.698 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:49.041000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:52.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
好，不要有民怨，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:52.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:56.346000+08:00 |
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我們一定持續溝通，希望大家能夠滿意。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-21T13:09:57.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-21T13:09:59.707000+08:00 |
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媒合的部分，什麼時候可以媒合完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-21T13:10:00.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-21T13:10:20.336000+08:00 |
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媒合的部分，我們有台糖的地與國產署的地，但現在媒合的部分有一個很大的問題，因為我們現在掌握的地與馬太鞍區域有交通上的問題，雖然找到地之後，他們不一定會過去，但是我們會看看還有沒有其他誘因讓他們願意到其他地方去。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-21T13:10:21.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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2026-05-21T13:10:50.923000+08:00 |
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其他的誘因就是農業部可以給他相關的輔導、整個配套的措施，其實農民在光復的土地原本並不是很肥沃，花了很久的時間進行土壤改良才能夠耕作，現在換一塊新的土地又要重新花很多時間做整個土壤的改良。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-21T13:10:53.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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2026-05-21T13:10:54.947000+08:00 |
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對於你講的這個，我們絕對可以協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:01.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:02.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
價購的部分在年底前完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:02.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:03.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對，我們預估是…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:03.690000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:04.730000+08:00 |
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媒合的部分何時完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:05.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:06.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
923之前可以完成嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:10.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:23.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
媒合的部分如你剛才所言，如果易地後需要土壤改良，我們會給予協助，甚至他也不需要出錢，我們都會給予協助，但畢竟還是要願意進來，我剛才說的交通問題可能要想辦法解決。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.74 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:23.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:39.703000+08:00 |
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部長，給你這麼多的預算，讓你手握這麼大的公器、這麼大的資源，如何以你的本業、你的專業與農民溝通，我想這是很重要的工作，儘快的完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:41.964000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-21T13:11:51.812000+08:00 |
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另外，這次擴大整個堤防徵收的範圍，包括這些農林漁牧等等，請務必要以市價徵收。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-21T13:11:51.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-21T13:12:41.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
本席再強調一次，他現有的資產剛剛蓋好，農林漁牧在那裡，本來地方就業就少，已經在那裡投資、已經在那裡剛剛起步要生根，建置完畢，突然收到一紙公文，相關土地要被徵收，部長，你應該與公共工程委員會及內政部相關部會到地方再做一次很清楚的座談，排除這些民怨，不是快閃，我們真的要解決問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-21T13:12:41.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-21T13:12:48.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
也不是去過之後，聽了提出的80個、100個問題，回來之後再給他們一個官宣，這樣是不行的！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-21T13:12:50.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:04.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們希望能夠很務實的解決現在的民困，部長可以排一個時間，與內政部及工程會一起到災區去，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:05.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:08.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們非常樂意再去災區聽取農民的聲音。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:09.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:21.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
第二個部分，我們現在做相關的查估也是用市價去查估，如果不是用市價的話，其實用公告地價馬上就可以解決了，所以我們一定是以確保農民權益為前提。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:21.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:22.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
公告地價沒辦法解決的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:22.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:23.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
公告地價不是喊口號啦！對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:24.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:25.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以我們是用市價去查估嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:26.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:34.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
市價查估，但是要真正符合市價，現在不是土地的部分而已，還有地上物的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:34.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:37.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
對，所以我們委託專業團隊去查估，而不是我們自己人去隨便問問。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:38.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-21T13:13:41.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
還有地上物，今天爭議最大的很多都是地上物。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-21T13:13:43.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-21T13:14:15.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
再來是下游的部分，鳳林有很多種植西瓜的瓜農，鳳林的西瓜稱為國宴瓜、國宴瓜，當地是臺灣品質最特優的地方，現在這些土地在河川局不予放租之後，針對這些瓜農轉作的部分，請農業部能夠給予他們專案的輔導，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-21T13:14:16.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-21T13:14:32.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
輔導是可以的，但因為現在河川的公地可能不再適合種植西瓜，我們後續再看要用什麼樣的方式，協助他們在其他地方可以從事他們的本業種植西瓜或改種其他作物，我們會給予專案輔導。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-21T13:14:34.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-21T13:14:50.845000+08:00 |
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接下來是萬榮鄉，除了光復之外，萬榮也是有很多的重災區，覆蓋土達50公分以上的，部長，你現在的處理方式為何？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-21T13:14:52.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-21T13:15:03.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
基本上，我們分為兩個部分，50公分以下的又分為20公分與50公分，20公分可以立即復耕的部分，我們會給予協助，50公分需要整地、需要怪手進去整地。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-21T13:15:04.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-21T13:15:16.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
50公分以上的，現在的目標大概是將近160公頃左右，我們是希望它能變成一個造林區，無論是協議價購或相關的造林。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-21T13:15:16.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-21T13:15:26.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
但是，如果它沒達到那麼高，可能是60公分或50公分，我們也願意用更好的方式輔導他們做一些逐步的土壤改良。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-21T13:15:27.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-21T13:15:55.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
這些儘快以書面回復本席，同時到地方再辦一場座談，因為部長當天沒有去災區現場，這次經濟委員會去考察，大概因為陳部長比較忙無法出席，現在本席向你詢問的都是當天地方災民提出的問題，必須要儘快處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-21T13:15:56.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-21T13:16:06.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們一直都在協助農民，包括我們的團隊、包括改良場的團隊，如果農民願意種的話，我們就會直接協助他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-21T13:16:06.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-21T13:16:10.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
馬上就8個月了、後天就8個月了、8個月了，儘快讓農民知道何去何從。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-21T13:16:16.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-21T13:16:50.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
再來，縣農會被徵收了20公頃的土地，包括先堆置現在的暫置土等等，我想縣農會平時都是支持農民、輔導農民，在地方第一線與農民長年合作，所以徵收的方式還是以地易地，陳部長，給他們多一點的選擇，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-21T13:16:55.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-21T13:17:19.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我想我們會在馬太鞍專案會議中把這個部分提出來，當初被徵收的目的是不是臨時性的或永久性的，如果是永久性被徵收的話，以我們對農業的輔導而言，我們一定會想辦法讓它還有其他的地能夠持續進行農會的營運。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-21T13:17:22.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-21T13:17:26.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，如果是暫時性的話，暫時性的相關補貼費用也要講清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-21T13:17:27.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-21T13:17:28.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
對，所以我說要在專案會議中…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-21T13:17:28.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-21T13:17:35.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
如果是永久性徵收的話，地方農會是希望能夠以地易地，讓他們能夠繼續從事相關的…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-21T13:17:36.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-21T13:17:42.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
以農業部對農會的輔導，我們一定會主動協助它找到相關的地。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-21T13:17:44.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-21T13:18:08.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
陳部長，本席還是要再次提醒你，之前的四方會議一再提到，當堰塞湖發生溢流或潰壩的時候要儘快施放海嘯警報，貴部完全沒有施放，黃金的逃難40分鐘就此消失。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-21T13:18:09.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-21T13:18:26.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
臺灣多地震，未來還會有多少堰塞湖產生，我們並不知道，但是一個完整的機制要儘快建立、預警的警報系統要儘快建立，部長，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-21T13:18:26.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-21T13:18:48.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我們現在已經再重新處理，包括現在的堰塞湖雖然只有5,000萬噸，但相對的，在它兩邊的土石有可能成為新的堰塞湖，所以我們也匡列了不同的情境之下，與縣政府進行避難計畫的設計及演練，這個部分會再與地方政府加強溝通，包括演練的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.82 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-21T13:18:51.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:00.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
演練當然要進行，但是所有相關的預置等等，行政院災防中心要做一個完整的配套。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:01.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:20.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
不是撤離697人，預置的軍卡與兵力要撤退8,600人，但中央沒有增加一部軍卡、沒有增加一員兵力，同樣的能量要鄉鎮公所執行單位如何進行？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:22.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:29.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
這個以後可以慢慢檢討，本席只是提醒你，四方會議都有錄音也有會議紀錄，但你們沒有做。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:30.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:35.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我覺得這個沒問題，現在調查局在調查、法院在調查，可以尊重……但現在講這個都沒有用啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:35.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:36.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
沒關係！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:35.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:36.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
這個都很清楚，本席現在是提醒你，悲劇不要再上演。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:37.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:56.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
還有很重要的，不是剛剛講的有幾千萬噸土石在旁邊，而是還有2.4億萬方，也就是4億噸的沙土在上游，好，部長請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-21T13:19:58.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-21T13:19:59.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
請交通部、經濟部。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:09.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:10.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:10.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:12.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:12.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:27.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
交通部次長，現在整個光復鄉的重建與觀光的推展，請問交通部到底有什麼因應的作為？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:27.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:28.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
能不能讓本席知道一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:29.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:34.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
全光復的鄉親、中區的鄉親都很好奇，我們交通部到底做了什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:34.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:37.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
觀光署到底做了什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:37.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:38.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
是不是跟全國國人講一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:40.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:48.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
觀光的部分我們還是去輔導當地，第二個可能未來會推動國旅的部分來振興。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:48.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:49.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
未來可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:49.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-21T13:20:54.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
所以從去年9月23號你們睡覺睡到現在，未來可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-21T13:20:58.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:06.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
報告委員，這個因為是新興計畫，所以預算的部分可能要等115年的預算核定後才能處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:06.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:09.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
這怎麼跟115年的預算……不要鬼扯嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:10.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:16.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
本席好心好意來跟你談，不要再用這種青鳥式的亂講。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:17.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:19.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
跟委員報告，那個有幾個觀光署…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:19.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:23.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
觀光署的預算這麼多，還有300億的預算在那裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:30.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-05-21T13:21:44.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
報告委員，原則上觀光署會推動壽豐、富里，還有玉里幾個地方的縱谷以及相關的觀光推展活動，因為有好多件，後續我是不是把資料再給您？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-21T13:21:46.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:00.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
謝謝，但是本席請教的不是壽豐、玉里、富里，本席請教的是萬榮、鳳林、光復災區的觀光重建，貴部有什麼積極作為？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:03.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:06.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
本席國語說得不清楚嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:06.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:19.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
謝謝委員，萬榮的部分有縱谷相關的部落旅行的推展，山谷音樂會大概也會在慕谷慕魚辦理，所以有相關的活動在推動中。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:21.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:32.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
次長，請你們陳部長，非專業也不認真的部長，政治掛帥的陳部長，儘快到災區去看一看災區現在觀光是什麼樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:32.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:37.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
陳部長如果還是很忙，有授權您的話，請你儘快過去，跟公共工程委員會一起過去，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
林次長國顯 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:37.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:38.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
是，這個我們再來跟觀光署一起推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.067 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:37.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-05-21T13:22:38.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-21T13:22:38.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:04.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
請問經濟部對於光復鄉的產業振興，有哪些積極作為？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:04.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:05.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
有哪些成效？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:07.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:07.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
8個月了。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:08.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:19.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
產業振興的部分，我們對商圈、對市場的部分，其實公有零售市場的修復也已經完成了，商圈的部分我們也會辦一些行銷活動，當然也結合觀光署…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:20.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:22.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
什麼時候要辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:22.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:25.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
5月份，應該下個禮拜就有辦一些行銷的活動。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:26.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:28.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
這麼巧，本席今天問，下禮拜要辦。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:29.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:31.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
可以公告一下嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:31.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:33.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
可以，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:33.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:35.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
最好每個月辦好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:35.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:41.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
要有成效好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:42.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:48.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
經濟部擁有這麼龐大的資源，你們跟交通部觀光署應該一起合作，找國內的旅行社國旅嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:50.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:57.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
看怎麼樣大家做一個完整的配套，有什麼優惠的措施讓更多人走進去，一起來關心嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:58.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-05-21T13:23:59.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-05-21T13:23:59.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:00.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
可以，可以的。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:01.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:03.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
現在有300億的預算給您使用好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:05.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:36.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
另外，工程會跟經濟部一起好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:36.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
今天是副主委來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:41.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:47.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
對，工程會的副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:49.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:49.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
李怡德副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:51.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-05-21T13:24:55.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
是，委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-05-21T13:24:56.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-05-21T13:25:18.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
請教副主委，您現在已經是近乎行政院的層級了，是副院長的層級，陳金德主委現在是院長的層級。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-05-21T13:25:18.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-05-21T13:25:27.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
過去不管是莫拉克風災、八八水災還是九二一大地震，重建委員會都是行政院院長來擔任。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-05-21T13:25:29.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-05-21T13:25:32.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
現在不曉得卓榮泰院長在忙什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-05-21T13:25:34.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-05-21T13:25:43.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
請公共工程委員會來當擔任重建委員會的主任委員，陳金德先生代行行政院長相關的工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-05-21T13:25:44.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-05-21T13:26:05.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
所以你是最高指導，但縱向對下面各部會還有地方政府鄉鎮公所，整個重建要拜託李怡德副主委，請你們能夠全力的投入。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-05-21T13:26:07.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-05-21T13:26:18.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
第一個問題，現在這麼多清出來的砂土在那裡，請問要如何去化？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-05-21T13:26:22.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-05-21T13:26:25.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
跟委員報告，當然這個清出來的砂土…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-05-21T13:26:25.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-05-21T13:26:26.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
我們已經開過一次會了。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-05-21T13:26:27.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-05-21T13:26:34.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
是，我們在4月份有跟委員開過一次會，現在大概幾個方向也都在進行當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-05-21T13:26:34.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-05-21T13:27:01.118000+08:00 |
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第一個當然我們一些土砂在現地的工程就可以做填方來使用；第二個就是去加大整個盤點量能，來擴大東砂北運的量能；第三部分，我們現在也在盤其他的，比如說我們在花蓮沿海有一些海岸的沖蝕地區，是不是可以就近去做填築，這也在評估當中，我們大概會有這些方式來做。 |
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0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-05-21T13:27:01.719000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:27:17.969000+08:00 |
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有一些比如說農業重災區可能就是就地，我們看有土方在那邊流失多少，然後重新做高程的重新重抓，讓農業部去做一個整體規劃，重抓之後整個水路跟道路就一併再重新來規劃設計。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-05-21T13:27:17.969000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-05-21T13:27:26.656000+08:00 |
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但是這個過程中，我們大概還是會有一些權宜的措施，來確保當地的地區能夠比較不容易致災。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-05-21T13:27:29.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-05-21T13:27:36.603000+08:00 |
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謝謝副主委你們現在所做的相關的規劃，但是現在還是暫置在光復鄉。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-05-21T13:27:38.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-05-21T13:27:46.099000+08:00 |
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你們目前還是暫置，不管暫置在河床裡面也好，暫置在台糖土地也好，目前都還在暫置。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-05-21T13:27:47.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:07.991000+08:00 |
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現在防汛期到了，本席在這裡特別提醒，一場大雨來，地方政府好不容易把水溝清淤清好，一場大雨來又到水溝裡去，重複這樣的循環，你們終究解決的辦法應該很積極地拿出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:07.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:34.749000+08:00 |
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本席上次已經請教過，你們可以去詢問，到底從各種溪流下來的這些砂石，一般是流到太平洋去，就是流到太平洋去，而未來我們這些清出來幾千萬噸的砂土，能不能直接倒置在太平洋裡面，把它清乾淨以後倒置在太平洋？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:38.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:43.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
這個比較複雜一點，需要再詳細評估，因為畢竟它有路程，不是說太平洋就在旁邊。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:43.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:44.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
太平洋就在旁邊啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:47.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:47.680000+08:00 |
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這邊到花蓮港…… |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:48.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:52.424000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，從鳳林這邊再沿著花蓮溪，這有40公里。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:53.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-05-21T13:28:54.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
你這個回答我不滿意喔，那你要就地全部去化嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-05-21T13:28:56.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:01.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
跟委員報告，我不是在否定委員現在提出來的想法，但是任何的想法…… |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:01.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:02.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
不是你不能否定嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:03.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:05.749000+08:00 |
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因為你不能打嘴炮嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:06.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:08.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
你如果不搬出來，要搬到哪裡去呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:08.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:12.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
跟委員報告，不是打嘴炮所以才會講得比較保守一點，才需要詳細評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:14.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:15.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
詳細評估要到什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:15.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:17.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
現在那邊不斷在惡性循環，你沒有看到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:18.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:33.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
我想這個有階段性的處理方式，我們當然是以不要再讓我們現在在處理過程當中產生的這些土砂，去影響再造成第二次傷害，可是第一個還是要先把那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:33.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:43.685000+08:00 |
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現在去化不管是送到西部也好，還是送到水泥廠也好，還是送到哪裡去也好，路程都是一樣，你都一定要出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:43.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:47.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
最近的地方叫花蓮港，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:47.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:48.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
還有什麼路程的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:48.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:54.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
你不管去哪裡，除了就地，你們所謂的超級堤防，你們堤防越蓋越高，經濟部10年不疏浚，馬太鞍溪幾年沒有疏浚？ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-05-21T13:29:54.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-05-21T13:29:54.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
經濟部幾年沒有疏浚？ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:07.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:07.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
還要回憶喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:08.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:09.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
你們都有公告啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:10.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:14.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
報告委員，我們其實在馬太鞍都有定期跟縣政府，我們也有…… |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:14.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:15.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
不要去扯其他單位啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:16.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:17.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
主管單位是你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:17.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:19.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
有，我們都有共同在疏浚。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:21.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:23.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
我問你，水利署九河局幾年沒有疏浚？ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:23.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:25.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
回答本席的問題，不用牽扯那麼多。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:25.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:27.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
我們其實去年都還有在疏浚，我們都維持…… |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:28.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:32.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
去年什麼時候？5月、6月。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:32.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:34.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
你們有公告嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:34.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:35.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
我們都有疏啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:36.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:37.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
去年有公告？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:37.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:38.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
公告在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:38.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:40.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
本席調了你多少資料出來！ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:40.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:42.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
我跟委員報告，我們最主要現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:43.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-05-21T13:30:48.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
我現在嚴正告訴經濟部，不要老是在這裡嘴硬，去年5月你說準備疏浚，那你們2016年到2025年在幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-05-21T13:30:49.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-05-21T13:31:12.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
河床比路面高，9年不疏浚，草菅人命、罔顧地方的安全，堤防拼命加高，這就是水利署啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-05-21T13:31:13.030000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:13.490000+08:00 |
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這樣子排水啊！ |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:14.871000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:21.255000+08:00 |
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光復附近有多少條溪啊，越加越高就可以嗎？ |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:21.255000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:27.479000+08:00 |
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10年不疏浚，現在加高堤防就好，你們常年每一年都做，今天有這個問題嗎？ |
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0.862 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:27.479000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:27.819000+08:00 |
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水利署回去了。 |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:37.045000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:42.911000+08:00 |
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經濟部，誠如剛剛農業部講的，現在司法調查中，本席尊重啦！ |
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0.833 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:44.492000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:51.278000+08:00 |
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但是你們所有的疏浚都有公告，你們自己回去看一下，不是現在後面可以偷改偷加的啦！ |
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0.944 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:31:55.062000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:32:28.509000+08:00 |
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10年荒廢造成這麼大的災難，到現在還是……經濟部，本席實在是一直碰到你們經濟部，剛剛大家一直在講淹水，5月15號又來了，公共工程委員會很厲害，馬上就講地方政府沒有做好，所以水淹進來。 |
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0.908 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:32:30.812000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:32:37.679000+08:00 |
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我請教一下工程會副主委，他們哪一個部分有問題？ |
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0.952 |
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李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:32:37.679000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:01.933000+08:00 |
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我想剛剛提到有一個縣管河川的背水堤工程，因為它設計就是480公尺，可是有留一個大概幾公尺的施工便道下去，剛好那天的狀況第一個它沒有水位監測器，再來就是那天的雨量驟降，所以它就從那個便道開口跑進去…… |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.888 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:01.993000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:07.900000+08:00 |
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您是副主委耶，你到今天還在講故事喔，整個過程你還不清楚喔，水從哪裡來的？ |
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0.938 |
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李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:13.363000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:18.948000+08:00 |
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雨量集中在那個地方，就從上面這樣過去，然後水勢比較高就滲進去。 |
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0.964 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:19.428000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:20.949000+08:00 |
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現在我的施工便道是在上游耶！ |
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0.846 |
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李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:22.751000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:23.611000+08:00 |
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是在上面這邊。 |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:23.871000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:24.332000+08:00 |
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是上游啊！ |
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1 |
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李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:25.173000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:25.993000+08:00 |
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不是上游，這是在…… |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:26.434000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:27.434000+08:00 |
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上游淹過去啊！ |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:30.517000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:32.478000+08:00 |
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它是回灌回來的，從哪裡回灌的？ |
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1 |
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李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:35.841000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:44.196000+08:00 |
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應該是花蓮溪那裡，它是接花蓮溪，瑪達娜溪接花蓮溪。 |
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0.818 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:33:45.237000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:08.211000+08:00 |
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好，看一下本席要讓你了解，這個是九河局施工的便道，它的管涵堵住了，最後水回堵回去。 |
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0.778 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:11.204000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:17.846000+08:00 |
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報告委員，事實上這是去年……這不是最近的照片啦！ |
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0.95 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:18.647000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:21.167000+08:00 |
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事實上我們完成以後的這個部分都有閘門。 |
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0.667 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:21.167000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:21.688000+08:00 |
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本席請問你，最後挖開是誰去挖的？ |
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0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:25.449000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:29.150000+08:00 |
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我們後來已經有做一個閘門在那邊，而且我們閘門都有…… |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:29.531000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:30.791000+08:00 |
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閘門有沒有堵住？沒有。 |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:30.791000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:32.312000+08:00 |
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怎麼會沒有堵住？ |
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0.143 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:32.312000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:34.272000+08:00 |
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我們有影片，我們這次影片…… |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:34.532000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:35.533000+08:00 |
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影片給本席。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:36.013000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:38.814000+08:00 |
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是，影片給你看，就是說它的排水是順暢的。 |
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0.941 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:38.954000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:40.515000+08:00 |
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沒有關係，本席還會再找你。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:40.555000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:40.855000+08:00 |
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是，沒有問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:40.855000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:41.275000+08:00 |
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最後旁邊的土是誰挖開的？ |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-05-21T13:34:41.355000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:41.775000+08:00 |
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不用挖，排水自然？ |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:52.059000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:56.200000+08:00 |
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這個原來是個開口堤，委員談的是開口堤，我們後來把它改成閘門。 |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:56.200000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:58.441000+08:00 |
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沒有關係，在委員會本席會跟你常相左右。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T13:34:59.201000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:00.402000+08:00 |
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是，沒有問題，我們都可以提供資料。 |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:00.482000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:00.662000+08:00 |
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影片儘快送過來。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:00.662000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:02.122000+08:00 |
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還有經濟部，本席再提醒一下，你們說有影片，很好，趕快提供。是。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:02.282000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:42.198000+08:00 |
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本席不只有錄音還有四方會議紀錄，去年8月11號千交代萬交代經濟部要把兩個開口堤補起來，前年底的康芮颱風就是從這裡淹到佛祖街，前年11月淹過一次，去年要你們補，兩個開口堤還是不補，還是從那裡進來。 |
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0.859 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:45.858000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:35:49.882000+08:00 |
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這不只有會議紀錄還有錄音統統都有，你們到時候去跟司法單位講吧！ |
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0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-05-21T13:35:57.528000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:04.594000+08:00 |
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我要請教一下工程會，我們現在300億，第一期編了270億，270億裡面發包了255億對不對？是。 |
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0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:04.594000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:06.095000+08:00 |
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還有15億的預備金，後續還有30億。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:16.098000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:30.643000+08:00 |
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現在初步就還有45億可以用，是不是可以把這45億……工程會是主管機關，請你們儘快到地方去跟地方座談，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-05-21T13:36:32.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-05-21T13:36:34.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
對於災民救助的部分。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:34.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T13:36:36.444000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們工程會是一到五每天都有同仁進駐在那邊。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-05-21T13:36:36.444000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-05-21T13:36:43.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
對，但是現在民怨聲音這麼大，一直沒有解決嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-05-21T13:36:44.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:01.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
我想跟委員報告一下，馬太鞍溪的部分現在水利署正在規劃，就是馬太鞍溪北岸萬榮那部分，因為想說讓它保護得更完善一點，所以有考慮要徵收取得馬太鞍溪北岸大概400公頃的這些土地。 |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:03.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:20.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
如果把這個東西定案規劃算進去之後，其實我們不管是剩下30億再加上預備金，現在也沒有到剩下15億，加進去其實經費還會短缺……我忘記大概有30億還是40億的短缺金額。 |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:20.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:23.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
短缺可以向立法院提出來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:24.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:27.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
可是這樣就會超過，就是說300億去算的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:27.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:28.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
我們的條例不是不能改啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:31.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:34.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
賴總統不是說條例不夠可以再加條例嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:34.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:35.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:34.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:36.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
我只是如實跟委員報告現在這個狀況…… |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:36.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:38.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
我們也是如實照賴總統講的告訴你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:39.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:40.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:40.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:42.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
我是說剩下的30億加上預備金…… |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:42.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:44.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
救災就完整的把它救完嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:46.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:49.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
反正我們就儘量把它做好，不夠錢的話我們再來想辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:49.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2026-05-21T13:37:51.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
地方的民怨要趕快解決好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2026-05-21T13:37:52.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:08.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
另外，整個施工重建的進度，現在255億的部分中央執行多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:08.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:08.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
金額是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:14.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:21.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
跟委員報告，我現在手上沒有中央跟地方分別執行的金額，不過大概很多的計畫都在軌道上在進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:23.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:25.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
大概七成多、八成中央執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:26.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:27.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
都是各部會把它擔起來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:28.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:33.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
然後地方的話大概三成多，有沒有四成我不曉得，兩成多三成。 |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:36.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:36.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
現在是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:43.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:46.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
我們現在持續來追蹤列管，進度上…… |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:46.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[252].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:50.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].text |
追蹤列管很好，請追蹤列管啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[252].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[253].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:50.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[253].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:58.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].text |
既然副主委說追蹤列管，你們就要保持每一天都要有密切的聯繫。 |
| transcript.gazette[253].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[254].start |
2026-05-21T13:38:58.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[254].end |
2026-05-21T13:38:59.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].text |
是，會的，一定會有。 |
| transcript.gazette[254].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:00.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:19.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].text |
你們的這個執行率，現在經費支付的進度交給鄉鎮公所還有縣政府，現在給付的金額大概多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[255].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:20.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:28.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].text |
如果他有核銷請款的話，一定是馬上給，沒有任何拖欠的問題。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:28.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:28.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
他怎麼樣可以來請款？ |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:32.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:35.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].text |
有些是已經預撥下去了，直接撥了，都直接撥了。 |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[259].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:36.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[259].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:45.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].text |
比如說像內政部補助縣政府做的那些，不管是清淤還是排水，還是說道路的這些工程或者是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[259].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[260].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:45.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[260].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:46.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].text |
你們什麼時候撥款的？ |
| transcript.gazette[260].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[261].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:50.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:50.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].text |
撥款的進度。 |
| transcript.gazette[261].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[262].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:53.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[262].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:58.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].text |
計畫核定他要請款嘛，縣府只要來請款就會儘速核定啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2026-05-21T13:39:58.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[263].end |
2026-05-21T13:39:59.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].text |
你們錢都撥了，什麼還沒有來請款？ |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:02.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:04.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
有些是先撥了。 |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:04.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[265].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:07.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].text |
很多撥了，很多還沒有來請款啦！對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:08.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[266].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:09.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].text |
請款之前要做哪些工作？ |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:11.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:11.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].text |
要核銷啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[267].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:12.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[268].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:14.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].text |
要核銷，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:14.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[269].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:15.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].text |
要發包，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:16.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[270].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:20.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].text |
不是，發包、核銷，反正就是覈實看到什麼階段，到就撥。 |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:20.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[271].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:24.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].text |
所以這是有一個前置的進度在那裡，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:24.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[272].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:46.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
這個圖表是你們根本已經撥款了的，然後你們也不去調整這個數字，跟地方政府也沒有做好聯繫的工作，不要把這個錯誤的圖卡放在你們那裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[272].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:46.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[273].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:51.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
地方政府依照設計規劃、發包、決標，金額還要送議會審查通過，然後才會跟你們請款，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[273].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2026-05-21T13:40:51.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[274].end |
2026-05-21T13:40:51.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].text |
怎麼打個「0」？ |
| transcript.gazette[274].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:00.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:05.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].text |
數字趕快調整，你們給付的錢都已經下去了，數字趕快調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[275].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:06.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[276].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:07.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].text |
我們會要求同仁覈實更新。 |
| transcript.gazette[276].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[277].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:09.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[277].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:20.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].text |
要更新，不要再給側翼來這裡詐問詐答，不要演這種戲，做到哪裡我們就做到哪裡，不是「0」。 |
| transcript.gazette[277].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:20.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:20.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].text |
有核銷有列入。 |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:24.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[279].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:36.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].text |
不要在這邊唱戲，救災就認真一點，趕快把它重建完成，不要雙方在那邊故意拿一個「0」來問，你們自己撥的款都20%了，怎麼會是「0」！ |
| transcript.gazette[279].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[280].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:38.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[280].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:39.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].text |
水利署撥的更多。 |
| transcript.gazette[280].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[281].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[281].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:39.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[281].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:39.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[281].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[282].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:40.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:45.884286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].text |
好，我們謝謝傅崐萁總召，謝謝經濟部等相關單位。 |
| transcript.gazette[282].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[283].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[283].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:46.184286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[283].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:50.755714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].text |
接下來林倩綺、林倩綺，林倩綺委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[283].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[284].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[284].start |
2026-05-21T13:41:51.055714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[284].end |
2026-05-21T13:41:54.484286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].text |
接下來有請黃建賓委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[284].quality |
0 |