| IVOD_ID |
169546 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169546 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T11:42:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T11:53:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c0107d7a0b44b7202ca1860e2f1c42d1af929c1ba330123fbe3ceebef6e54c8ad5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:08 - 11:53:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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請這個劉玉琳委員質詢謝謝主席請經濟部的何次長還有內政部的吳長次跟經濟部水利署的署長經濟部內政部水利署委員好 |
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市長好我們今天特別是要討論一下就是我們的防災的問題那尤其是花蓮馬太安溪這個堰塞湖發生嚴重溢流在短短30分鐘的時間洪水跟土石流就傾瀉而下 |
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把這個馬太安溪橋也沖斷了還有就是那個整個灌溉到到光復鄉的市區裡面去這個表示這個我們的所有的應災防護的這個能力非常的不足那尤其是在這一次之後我們特別針對這個事前的監測跟我們防災的資訊整合跟防災的宣導這個預防的這個撤離部分我們中央跟地方一定 |
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要合作的所以要更加的完整跟更加的及時的應變這個機制那尤其是上個禮拜5月15號這個豪大雨來的時候光復鄉這邊還是出現了這個災情 還有淹水的情形所以這整個淹水的排水系統的堵塞問題的話我們請先請熱政部這邊 |
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這個是整體來看 這個堵塞完全不會說是完全就是水溝的問題因為我們現在這個中下流的話馬太安這個中下流它整個河床整個都抬高了而且那個清淤的部分也沒有辦法完全清淤包括中流部分 下流部分的這個好幾萬這個 |
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沙石的部分還沒有完全清除所以請問一下我們對這個整個排水系統要該怎麼加強好 謝謝委員的指教我想5月15號大概有一個狀況就是它的飼養量超過40mm那其實我這邊我們有請國土組織調查其實在市區的排水的部分其實它都沒有到滿管所以市區的部分是還OK啦市區的話就是排水系統是 那最主要是在那個就是在那個農業重災區的部分 |
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那因為那邊的土石發行的部分還要再配合農業部來做整治那我想大概有幾個措施啦那個其實我們在5月15號之後也針對排水溝的部分還是有要持續清淤那另外在那個因為它目前有土石所以很多是做明渠那明渠的部分我們現在是就是配合做旁邊做一些砂包先做堆置讓它做一個退後 |
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退貨之後盡量讓它減緩下來的一個沖刷那這樣也可以降低未來的一個排水溝的容易淤積啦那我想可能都是一些砂包或太空包來先暫時做個處理那我想這個長遠的部分我們這邊還是會配合農業部的相關的一個還是要加強這個系統要做好來尤其河窗的那個清汙的部分的話一定要加強把它做好來好不好是的 |
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我們內政部就先請回那我們想請教我們經濟部尤其我們這個整個業社府的這個降霸的工程都已經完成了那我們整個災害的這個風險似乎 |
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已經都轉移到這個中下游部分為什麼這麼說呢我們在農業部的這個水保署這個圖資來看現在中游的部分它堆砂的部分有大概4288萬立方公尺下游的部分堆砂部分有3067萬立方公尺那整個河床是整個抬高出來了那未來的颱風啊 好大雨 這個河床 |
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可能就會再次再把他那個霧凝淚都沖進這個市區那經濟部水利署是相關的那個提防的工程是有在繼續進行的那目前累計清淤部分只有做到2200萬立方公尺的土砂那未來這7月份馬上就颱風的頻率就比較高了那請問一下我們還可以做多少努力來清除這個那個土砂 |
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報告委員有關這個馬太安溪跟花蓮溪目前已經清了2200萬方那這個目前的河道已經恢復到這個颱風前的一個狀況已經可以容許原來設計100年的洪水頻率沒有問題水容量的 |
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對 那河潮疲高的部分呢已經都恢復了恢復到對那個颱風前的狀況了我們今年也會看今年的預計情形再來滾動檢討所以要加強剛剛我唸的數字片你就是說你只清了2200萬立方公尺那還有5000多欸但是那一段因為是在中上游事實上人機沒辦法上去的我們現在是清往8公里水利署負責的河端那你要怎麼清呢 |
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那一個部分可能要林保署這邊他們有做一些藍沙壩來做一些把泥沙這邊做一定的一個調適的處理因為上游的部分它人跡跟整個腹地所以還是要加強清淵它整個我們河川河 |
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清淤還是要集中在我們下游地點上游他可能沒辦法做清淤因為那邊的山谷沒有腹地所以就沒辦法對 只能到下游只能到中下游而已對 那我們都會來等他下來以後我們就馬上來做清淤 |
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那未來還是要沖刷下來囉 再用豪大椅現在都是豪大椅 快速的是 依照過去的這個屠殺經驗這種就等看天啊 它沖下來就沖下來 再處理我們就要尊重大自然因為這個大概長達10年以上的時間慢慢做調適所以還是要加強河川的這個清淤河川的加強它這個流水量的問題是 這個我們已經有在加強一定要加強 非常感謝 |
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好那現在請問一下因為我們預算都編下去了那這些預算裡面我們看到執行部分很多都是零執行的我們看到在這個電力系統重建項目部分預算的零執行除了說電線剛剛被打斷的有修復這修復的情形的話也只有三成而已將近七成沒有沒有修復是什麼原因呢我們請經濟部的有沒有 |
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這個應該我們都有在執行啦那那個是預算的核銷的部分是不是這不是預算核銷的問題啦這你零執行率耶你四項工程你只有一項只有一項做到三成耶其他都沒有做好 |
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林執行為什麼?我們不是在搶修修復嗎?趕快把恢復原形嗎?那結果是呢?為什麼林執行?是有什麼問題?發發不出去嗎?總共有四項,委員看到了前面的兩項是今年度要做的那後面的兩項到明年度,所以它執行的期間是有些是今年度,有些是到明年度 |
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那今年的第二項其實是已經開始在做了所以它四月其實已經完成了31.52那第一項的部分因為它涉及到一些相關污泥的維護就清楚那台電會持續的趕快把它做完 |
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雖然這個預算是大概四五年的時間的預算但是我們要快速每年都有颱風尤其現在是汛期又七月颱風都要來了所以趕快把這電力整個配電跟我們的電網整個加強起來 |
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尤其是那個電線桿的部分第二項的部分是不是你只做了三層而已啊其實四月份其實他的預算其實累計只有分別到六百多萬其實台電已經做了一千兩百多萬所以我們其實有超前按月的進度是有超前的是還是趕快完成是好不好你要加強的部分好那接下來要請教的就是說因為這個我們整體來講在我們的訊期和我們的整個 |
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淹水的部分我們都要做一個監測那尤其我看看一下那個經濟部的一些資料裡面我們在梅雨跟那個颱風季到來的時候我們中央跟地方在這方面有完成了各項的這個訊息的的整備工作那尤其是我們多次的這個防汛的這個演練中也備託了像桃園他都有備託了這個移動式的抽水機來因應緊急的需要那尤其要強化這個污泥跟巡迴的這個 |
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回報的機制要水利署都趕快的來加強那尤其是說我們看到了一些我們要監測的部分那淹水的部分我們要做一些監測我們預算也都編下去了那目前來講淹水紀錄裡面沒有安裝的部分這個感測器這個部分我們沒有安裝的還有333個地方為什麼沒有安裝 |
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跟委員報告事實上是淹水感知器在全省有兩千多處兩千五百多非常有用的對 兩千五百多我們其實一直立促縣市政府趕快盤點出來我們針對這種淹水感知器都有都有編列出來是你們沒有去安裝啊 |
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我們是補助地方政府去做的那他們只要提出來針對這種淹水感知器、抽水機我們都全力優先支援那現在就是剛剛委員看到的335這有些是因為它可能只有一次淹水我們要連續兩三次在那個地點有容易淹水我們會優先來做那如果有三個地點連續那個地點淹過三次那我們優先來做 |
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你能一直在淹過三次的話才要安裝感測器啊應該這樣講 因為有些它淹水是因為很急淹過一次的不裝 三次以上才可以裝應該看它的狀況 有些只是因為堵塞的狀況那只要是那個地點容易淹水 我們都會力促它趕快做那事實上縣市政府只要提出來 我們都全力支持 |
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我要講的就是 你不能說像如果這個地段沒有發生過車禍 大型車禍你就不安裝監視器 不能有這種心理對 我們其實是很樂意 而且認為有用這個都是預防的 對不對你不要等說不預防 等來善後 事情發生再來檢討 |
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我還是再次跟委員報告一下我們對於淹水感知器是全力支持而且開會立促縣市政府提出來只要他們提出來縣市政府提出來到經濟部水利署我們全部都核准 |
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那現在不要說等三次好不好 有淹水的狀況好 這個我們來立註他們趕快來做沒有問題這些333個都是這種情形喔我們來立註縣市政府趕快提出來我們這個預防重於善後善後檢討都沒有用 請你再加強我們全力來支持 謝謝 |